@AKB69
Price appears subject to:
1) Location of the cafe
2) Time of the day
3) Which day of the week
4) Weather on that day
5) How good looking the woman
6) Pro or amateur
7) Negotiation skills
Pro or amateur appears to affect the negotiation about price and time. Pros tending to have a more hostess look and being more blunt, hard face (best way to describe this somewhat odd battle hard veteran face and look), and viscious in negotiations which leaves this bad feeling of being slightly cheated or not totally satisfied.
I think if you calculate the variables where you come at an odd time and day from other customers, plus are dealing with amateurs, you can get the prices down. You also have to be tough, no matter how hot she is and how hard the penis gets, to say "NO" if she goes over your price.
Another thing I noticed is that some girls at the Shibuya cafes, who are the 1 hour "pay me 10,000 yen for wasting your time talking or karaoke" scammers will try to tell you that all other girls are the same as them.
There also appears to be a disconnect, where women are lying to each other about what they actually do. I think even the women at the cafes don't know what other women are doing, what prices they accept, or what other women are saying to guys.
I say don't fully believe what females are trying to tell or convince you about price, other women, or what people "usually" do. Keep an open mind with each woman about price and what you can do.
There was one White/Asian mix trying to convince me that her cheapest rate was 25,000 per hour and that was what Japanese guys pay (blatant lie). I was like, GTFO and started laughing. This made her go down to 20,000. We kept going around the price and some other small talk introducing ourselves. The clock alarm went off, but she stayed to keep talking to me. Note- This has happened a couple times, and the negotiations always went my way as a result. We then agreed to 15,000 yen for 90 minutes. I told her as we were walking outside that I have another date in 1 hour (which I did, but not in 1 hour, was 2 and half hours later) so just 10,000 yen and she agreed, claiming she want to finish soon too.
We ended up staying in the hotel for almost 2 hours (told her my date said she would be late) and exchanging contacts. She messages me about when we will meet again, which I replied a couple of possible days we can meet next week.
25,000 yen became 10,000 yen through negotiations. This and several other instances clarified to meet that negotiating skills are very important at the cafes. Maybe, it might be worth watching some YouTube videos on negotiation tactics.
If you can't knock the price down, then try to increase the time (with unlimited time and a real date being the best).
Swinger Tip
You can also try bringing the really up for sex cafe amateurs to swinger bars instead of a hotel as well (Shinjuku is better for this). I know that's not everybody's cup of tea, but as some guys have a hard time doing street pickup or converting women into swinging, this could be a possible route. But no guarantees that cafe ladies will do swinging. I've had mix results (2 out of 3 success), but have tried this method only a few times so far.