If I am in fact taking it the wrong way, I apologize. Your post on racism in Japan certainly comes across strong.
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If I am in fact taking it the wrong way, I apologize. Your post on racism in Japan certainly comes across strong.
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Meh. Was expecting a much better reply.
is it strange that I don't know many of the movies you post but want to rent them after watching the clips?
is it strange that I don't know many of the movies you post but want to rent them after watching the clips?
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I'll start posting some links to IMDB. I suggest starting with "The Big Hit" if you haven't already seen it. 
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I agree somewhat with you, as I really dislike the cynical attitude filled with complaints that many people hold here. On the otherhand, simply accepting it because I should just "be happy to be here" is where I differ. Discrimination and racism are wrong no matter how you put it. It may not be my (or our) country, but I do plan to be here long term and maybe even naturalize. I love Japan and I would like it to take a different stance on foreign rights. Just "fucking off back home" will never make this country change or become more understanding of foreign culture. Protesting, fighting, and -yes, even complaining can sway the public opinion little by little though.
I think this has very little to do with some shady fuzoku not servicing foreigners though, haha.
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What will Japanese people and the rest of the world think of gaijin if the foundation of their fight for equal rights is access to sex services as opposed to using equal access to transportation and education.
Like I said, it may suck but compared to what's out there, not a big deal
Like I said, it may suck but compared to what's out there, not a big deal
I also somewhat agree with you. I don't think its right to discriminate but what drives me mad is the complaints I hear about how bad it is here. It really isn't. I live my life here with almost no problems at all. Yes there are times (especially when I first got here) where I wondered what these people are thinking but I have come to learn that there is nothing we can do. If anything, I hate the foreigners who come here and bring their culture and try to change things. New Years for example where now I can no longer visit one of my favorite shrine without hearing drunken shouts 'yeahhh happy new year yeah' type shouts from foreigners. They come here but don't respect the culture. Japan is how it is because of how they are - it's what makes it special I think.
Now regarding the real racist, they like everyone else have a right to believe and be how they wish to be. If anyone wants to make a fuss about the small tiny discrimination issue against foreigners here and believe they can actually make a chane, why don't you guys start by telling those guys in the black vans by Kasukigaseki. I'm all againt change for the better but look at our own original countries and tell me how much they have changed.
The Chinese tourist is also getting a bad name for doing things which Japanese and westerners find extremely stupid. They however think it's normal back home and simply doing what they normally do and think Japanese are racist. What's the saying? When in Rome....
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I'll remind you, you're the guy who started a thread about racism, then started bitching when people started talking about racism they had encountered (I haven't even touched on some of the nasty incidents I've had). This specific thread was started in good faith to help people dealing with (apparent) racism and you immediately started shooting off your mouth about how bad you had it back in your home country. (Solong should have restrained himself too)
This is what drives me mad (in some places they'd call this "white privilege", maybe here it's "Asian privilege"). This arrogant attitude that your own experience somehow trumps everyone else's - I've never experienced it so it doesn't exist. If I said something as stupid as that back home I'd be laughed at.
My first year in Japan was horrible, partly language issues, partly inexperience, but mainly the disgusting attitude of the locals. Now that I've moved to Tokyo life is (relatively) easy and I'm overall happy.
I'll pass that on to a few of my friends, my American friend's daughters who changed their names to their mother's maiden name because after graduating from a prestigious university they couldn't even get job interviews, my Jamaican friend can leave but I'm not sure his family would want to go with him, and my Thai friend who was born here but doesn't speak Thai and has never been there.
I started the thread on racism to get people thinking and perhaps be more tolerable to the issue.
I don't know any details about your friends but I would guess they were not hired because they didn't fit the needs of the company hiring them. It's a guess here but I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with their background. The fact that they couldn't get interviews is the probably to do with the economy. I myself know Japanese who have the same credentials who can't get a job - so what do they blame this on??
Personally I employ 20 people who have to deal with large corporations and my first preference is Japanese and if not Japanese Asians. Why? Because in most instances, they are harder working and can do the job with less complaints and passionate. Don't get me wrong, there are some exceptions but generally I also discriminate in the beginning until proven otherwise. Now before you call me a racist, my best friends are white guys so it's not a race thing. If I were you, I'd tell your family friends that shit happens and its how you deal with life and prove their critics wrong. I was not born with the same privileges as a white guy who we all know generally has more advantages from the get go but I still manage to survive and NOT put down my difficulties in life to racism.
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You are now clarifying very racist ideology. So in the context, it appears:
1) You want to defend the so-called right to be racist. Thus are in agreement with the racist practices done in Japan, so long as it doesn't have a direct and obvious negative impact on yourself.
Making assumptions about people based on RACE, and NOT knowing them, IS racist.
2) You are DISMISSING the EXPERIENCES of other foreigners because they are different from yours or haven't happened directly to you.
Too bad for him or her. Don't like it, get out. It's irrelevant until it affects you directly. No compassion, understanding, or consideration for others?
"Bah Humbug" Christmas ghost might head your way ;-)
3) How can change EVER happen, if there aren't people willing to make changes?
I dont condone racism myself, but in this business, I dont think this is a good foundation for equal rights if that is what you believe in. If you think equal rights to having access to sex services is a cause worth fighting for, then hey, you go ahead and march on the streets while the rest of the world laughs at us. If you want to be the poster boy for equal access to sexual services, none of us are going to stop you.
But in many instances, a good number of us get in because we show the clerks that we speak Japanese, we understand the rules, and demonstrate understanding of the culture and Tokyo street smarts. However, it all comes down to the girl herself if she wants to take you. I have many instances where places are willing to take me as a customer, but could not provide me a girl regardless of my ability because she just didn't feel comfortable taking a foreign customer. Thankfully in places where I do have established reputations like at Happy Berry, Pururungang, and Tokyo Delivery Health, the front desk guys there are willing to vouch for me to girls unexperienced with foreigners saying I speak (as well as read and write) Japanese and that I have been excellent to the other girls and it has always worked for me, we end up having a good time, and they are willing to take me as a customer again.
Are you sure you want to use the law to force a girl to take you as a customer? You think her privacy and safety override your "rights" to use her services? Granted anything can go wrong with a Japanese customer as well but the girl still has the choice to take whoever she wants as her customer whether native or foreigner as some girls have shared with me.
I do agree that this "Japanese Only" at these services is racist, but ultimately, I see using sexual services as a privilege and not a right which is why I have little to no issue with it compared to lets say being denied service at a restaurant (which I have read on the internet but who knows, maybe the food sucks anyway). It is my money and my time I am spending and if they don't want it, fine, I can find some other place and I have found plenty of nice places where I have met some great girls and have been able to bang my favorite porn stars. Maybe some of these "Japanese only" places are not worth it compared to foreign friendlier places I have used, I don't know. But once again, if you think this is a foundational human right that relates to foreign residents ultimately getting elected to office or whatever, then hey, if that is what you believe in, all the power to you. Yes, racism exists in other aspects of Japan but I will fight when I think it is worth the fight. If I get denied service at a Gusto or at a McDonalds or get refused to use the train because of my ethnicity, then I will march the streets and if things get worse, go all Malcolm X on this country.
There is a JK thread right now that perfectly states why stores and girls dont take foreign customers and it has very little to do with racism/xenophobia as it is mostly communication issues are the foundation for not taking foreigners and my gymmate who runs a delivery health service says the same as well (he has offered me but I chose not to use it to protect my privacy from my other friends at the gym and some people there are my neighbors and co-workers). As I said before, growing up in border states such as Arizona and California where they have to pay for illegal immigration with no assistance from the federal government (and a lot of border towns and counties went bankrupt over the summer over the illegal immigration problem), I have a lot of sympathy over this and has nothing to do with hating Mexicans. I have nothing against people immigrating, just do it by following the law and learn the language. My mother and her side of the family have been trying to get her relatives from the Philippines to come over legally since the 80s and it took them nearly 30 years to get them processed and it pisses me off that seeing people who come in illegally get all the special treatment.
SIDE NOTE: I am under the impression this thread is about "Japanese Only" in context to sexual services, if we are going to have a general thread about racism in Japan as a whole, I think that deserves a separate thread altogether
But in many instances, a good number of us get in because we show the clerks that we speak Japanese, we understand the rules, and demonstrate understanding of the culture and Tokyo street smarts. However, it all comes down to the girl herself if she wants to take you. I have many instances where places are willing to take me as a customer, but could not provide me a girl regardless of my ability because she just didn't feel comfortable taking a foreign customer. Thankfully in places where I do have established reputations like at Happy Berry, Pururungang, and Tokyo Delivery Health, the front desk guys there are willing to vouch for me to girls unexperienced with foreigners saying I speak (as well as read and write) Japanese and that I have been excellent to the other girls and it has always worked for me, we end up having a good time, and they are willing to take me as a customer again.
Are you sure you want to use the law to force a girl to take you as a customer? You think her privacy and safety override your "rights" to use her services? Granted anything can go wrong with a Japanese customer as well but the girl still has the choice to take whoever she wants as her customer whether native or foreigner as some girls have shared with me.
I do agree that this "Japanese Only" at these services is racist, but ultimately, I see using sexual services as a privilege and not a right which is why I have little to no issue with it compared to lets say being denied service at a restaurant (which I have read on the internet but who knows, maybe the food sucks anyway). It is my money and my time I am spending and if they don't want it, fine, I can find some other place and I have found plenty of nice places where I have met some great girls and have been able to bang my favorite porn stars. Maybe some of these "Japanese only" places are not worth it compared to foreign friendlier places I have used, I don't know. But once again, if you think this is a foundational human right that relates to foreign residents ultimately getting elected to office or whatever, then hey, if that is what you believe in, all the power to you. Yes, racism exists in other aspects of Japan but I will fight when I think it is worth the fight. If I get denied service at a Gusto or at a McDonalds or get refused to use the train because of my ethnicity, then I will march the streets and if things get worse, go all Malcolm X on this country.
There is a JK thread right now that perfectly states why stores and girls dont take foreign customers and it has very little to do with racism/xenophobia as it is mostly communication issues are the foundation for not taking foreigners and my gymmate who runs a delivery health service says the same as well (he has offered me but I chose not to use it to protect my privacy from my other friends at the gym and some people there are my neighbors and co-workers). As I said before, growing up in border states such as Arizona and California where they have to pay for illegal immigration with no assistance from the federal government (and a lot of border towns and counties went bankrupt over the summer over the illegal immigration problem), I have a lot of sympathy over this and has nothing to do with hating Mexicans. I have nothing against people immigrating, just do it by following the law and learn the language. My mother and her side of the family have been trying to get her relatives from the Philippines to come over legally since the 80s and it took them nearly 30 years to get them processed and it pisses me off that seeing people who come in illegally get all the special treatment.
SIDE NOTE: I am under the impression this thread is about "Japanese Only" in context to sexual services, if we are going to have a general thread about racism in Japan as a whole, I think that deserves a separate thread altogether
No Solong, I hire based on experiences. From my years of living here, westerners generally don't have long commitment here, come here messed up and are not as good as the ones back home. This is fact. It is also fact that Asians are generally harder working and fact that Japanese work longer hours and provide better service which is what I need for my corporate customers. It's not a race thing again but a preference, just as I would change my preference for my business back home. If I wouldn't hire a white guy, yes that's racism. In fact I have white, black, Filipino and Thai in my team so to those who think I'm still a racist, kiss my ass.
My point here is to call something what it is and to not just use the racism card every time something goes against you as a foreigner. The user above mentioned his friends family member having a hard time finding a job which was the reason for my response. I too had an option to change my name (as I am mixed) when I was younger and thought about it because when I was a teenager, I was stupid and blamed racism for allthe rejections I had too.
This is most probably the same thinking the shop owners have and so I can understand and respect their right to say no and move on.
We have 2 options here, moan and bitch and keep telling ourselves that all the problems are due to racism and be negative about it and in turn get others thinking negatively, or open up a little more and try to understand the other reasons for some of the rejections out there. I try to do the latter and simply voicing my opinion that others should also be more tolerant - especially since it's really not a big deal here.
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This is the pattern you've followed from the beginning. You're not suggesting other reasons, trying to be open minded, or helping people, you are blatantly outright denying racism. You know nothing about how these two girls and apparently nothing about graduate hiring but you're convinced there were genuine reasons for them not being hired (mind you, I said "interviewed", not "hired"). The younger of the two changed her name in time to graduate with a Japanese family name, their mother also uses her maiden name as an alias for professional reasons, and I know several Japanese women who also do this.
Your bizarre take on this seems to be that racism is only racism if it's based on hate or something irrational, but it's OK if it's based on, fear, "facts" or "experience".
If I could be bothered I'd post some of my more amazing stories just to see how you rationalise them away.
(I agree with Solong's post above)
I can't really express how angry that comment makes me. I'm done.
You are a fool who has never experienced real racism. What you think is racism is a fucking joke and insult to those who have actually had it and still experience it everyday around the world. I am at a higher level of understanding of this subject because I've deal with it for over 30 years in an Asian country and in a western one. What's your fucking reasoning? Some 3rd hand story of interview or your rejection at sex providers? Pfttt... Grow some real balls and experience real racism then come cry to me.
Just to add in here: this thread was not at all about OH RACISM... this was suppose to be a thread about experiences getting past the gatekeeper who seems like he just might let you in, but then changes his mind(and once his mind is set there is no going back)
Aka conversation normally goes like this:
Enter the shop
Staff: どこの方でしょうか？
If I reply American normally screwed, the times I've said half also screwed, times I've said Japanese have lasted me longest
Aka conversation normally goes like this:
Enter the shop
Staff: どこの方でしょうか？
If I reply American normally screwed, the times I've said half also screwed, times I've said Japanese have lasted me longest
I don't frequently p4p but the few times I have, I just answer in the most polite way, Australian followed by a gomenai eigo we daijobu desuka? Most of the time, it's how you say it but there are times they can't be bothered and said Japanese only. I then just respect their policy and said wakarimashita and end the conversation. Instead of focusing on the "Japanese only" imagine them saying 'sorry I would love to let you in but I gotta respect the girls here'.
I have no desire to continue any discussion with you, your attachment to your own victimhood and lack of empathy make you a rather unpleasant person. I simply wish to clarify the definition of arrogant so you have no misunderstanding of my opinion of you:
arrogant. adj. Having or revealing an exaggerated and overweening sense of one’s own importance or abilities
(Oxford Dictionary)
Well, my accent is way too broken to pass off as native Japanese. I just say すみませんが、外国人を案内することができますか？If I am told "ジャパニーズオンリー" or 日本人だけ or whatever, I figure screw it and it may not be worth it and move on to some other place. It's not like I can go to the authorities and say "this delivery health or soapland is being openly discriminatory about their practices." They will probably laugh at any gaijin who does shit like that. And as I also stated, the gatekeeper might let you in, but it is ultimately up to the girl who she accepts as her customer.
Also, remember there are some other places that charge extra that will let you in. Yeah, that practice also sucks, but if it was for someone like Tanaka Hitomi or Okita Anri, I will sure as hell pay it
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