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"head To Head": Janjan Vs Happy Hinomaru

Jason Maximum

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So I've been a lurker here for a long time, decided to finally pull through and submit some reviews as I have time.

I travel from my country to Japan a lot for business, one might say I spend about half the year or more here. It was only in the last year that I worked up the nerve (or feeling that itch strong enough) to start reading reviews and attempting Pay4Play. Thanks to many informative threads here, I had a great fun, safe time.

I'm particularly in it for pink salons/BJ bars. Simple, effective, quick, and I can go back to concentrating on work now that the beast is tamed somewhat. I've done more, but for me the BJ bars have the best cost/performance ratio. I'm always eagerly waiting to hear stories of other places that allow foreigners, but it seems that there are only about 4 in Tokyo (3 if you count Dio/Emotion as one blob); so if folks know of more out there, please start posting!

Anyway, since TAG has helped me so much, I figured I'd return the favor to other potential lurkers (and would encourage more to share their stories), by an effective comparison of the few places I've been to; namely JanJan and Happy Hinomaru. This isn't going to be a rundown of each event and rating the girl/experience, but a general comparison of the two Big Names for foreigner-allowed BJ Bars in Tokyo.

After reading a ton about the few bars that allow foreigners (I'm almost fluent, but white, so I can't get in the door at most places), I decided to try JanJan in mid 2014. Had a great time. I went back a few times (each time a solid experience). Then, after hearing enough about Hinomaru, I decided to give that one a shot. Abysmal experience pushed me back to JanJan without looking back.

Here's the basics:

They have a website now, which they didn't before. Haven't been there since I noticed that: http://jan2-sugamo.com/

Been to JanJan about 6 times in the Summer/Fall/Winter of 2014. Never asked for names, but I had a wide range of women (mostly older), most of the cast. I always went in the evening, just because that's when I had been free, so I spent 4000 each time. Here's the basics, again for those lurkers like me who were on the edge:

Leave Sugamo station, head south. That's practically it. :)
Okay, as you head down the street, the tout on the right will wave you over. He'll check down the stairs to make sure there's no line or anyone coming up, and will send you down. Once you're at the bottom, you'll encounter older lady or older gentleman. Neither will assume you speak Japanese, so will silently make the gesture for "4" (at night; before 7 it's "3"). They'll announce you and walk you over to a high-backed booth about a meter wide (I'm 180, and the chair back covers up to and over my shoulders). The seats are a little hard, but whatever. You'll be brought some tea, and will wait about 2-5 minutes for an escort to arrive.

Now, I must again mention I've only attended at nights, from 7:30 onwards, mostly on weekdays. I have never been there in the afternoon or on weekends. So while there are about 12 booths plus some extra areas (three across, four deep, plus what looks to be a "VIP area" of sorts), at the busiest there were maybe three to four others there with me. I'd like to hear the experiences of others who went at other times, because it seems like there's a lot of prep taken to make sure people don't bump into each other or that the lines don't form too long, but I've never seen this club full (though it might have had "better days").

The club is a bit smoky, not as bad as a Shinbashi salaryman izakaya, but it does linger. The wallpaper is kinda faded and... well, it's not Dirty, but it's not marble floors and sparkling walls either. The only thing that kinda sets me on edge is the music: I love techno, but this is shitty-grade Euro Beat Mix like straight outta 1998. It does well to mask the noises that may happen, but I wish they had some variety. Every time I came (6 times) it was the same mix, over and over. Alas.

The lady (most in their 30s or 40s; I've never had anyone hot, but I've never had anyone ugly either. IMO, as long as they're of normalish weight and not totally hideous, I'm cool with appearance and age (30s-50s) as long as their technique is solid) will then arrive and make small talk. "Are you on your way from work? "Otsukaresama-deshita", "Nihongo ojouzu" (me: attempt to take the compliment as is and not roll eyes) etc; after about 30 seconds you'll get a "Yoroshiku onegaishimasu", a bow, and a "please take your pants off". I tend to drop them all the way down, step out of one leg, but then slip that leg into a shoe because the ground is basically Movie Theater quality, yech. The cleaning and check begins with a moist towel. The women usually show up wearing a dress shirt and T-back, or else a strapless one-piece dress. They'll take off the shirt and drop the T-back, or else lower their dress to their midriff. You're allowed to use fingers: I've never had an incident where I wasn't allowed to, but some women may be sensitive or having their period; so if the panties are off, fair game; I also don't tend to do DATY since it's not my bag, though I have read reports of others who have stretched out in the booth and have gone full 69. They lube themselves up so that fingers slide right in. Though I do so sparingly, as I've had experiences where I definitely felt the need to scrub my hands afterwards. No other GFE or play, not that I'd want it mind...

The main event begins. I notice that most women will have their own variations on the techniques, but it's mostly a no-hands BBJ, depending on the woman there will be very light touching, and many have done DT. Lots of tongue. This lasts for as long as You Last. Each of the 4-5 women I've experienced there do not hurry the process up or push you along, they definitely take their time. They're professionals, and do what they do well. When the time Comes, they'll make sure to get every drop, and will gracefully spit it out into another towel. Then 1-2 more towels will be used to clean you up. They'll excuse themselves, and this is where you suit back up and play with your phone for a few minutes while they wash up, gargle, etc. Then they'll escort you out, and the tout does a low bow. Nice touch.

Something interesting to note: I saw a review of Hinomaru vs JanJan where they said they were suspicious of JanJan because at Hinomaru they used an alcohol/medical wipe to wipe down the area before starting, and at JanJan they only used moist towels. That may be the case, but these girls are gargling industrial strength Something before (and after) going to town.
The side effect of this is that, every time I've been there, for the next day and for about a week or so, I notice a bit of stinging/numbness in the head. Basically, as if I dipped my dick in listerine, because that's basically what happened. The first time I went I kinda freaked out, got tested etc, then realized it happened each time I went back (the first time was the worst, simply because my nervous conscience was looking for an excuse to scream "STDs!!" and stop. But no, it was just the antiseptic gargle they were using). So there's that.

Otherwise, again the place itself is a bit of a dive, or at least has seen better days. The 4-5 women I've been with were nothing to brag about (all in their late 30s or 40s, perhaps late 40s as well) , but they were all bringing their A Game: Extremely skilled, extremely professional, variations on the same "no-hands" technique (some would use fingernails, another would massage the balls, another would stroke super-light when they could tell you were about to blow, etc). For those who want Hot Girls above technique, this isn't the place for you.

So: JanJan: Seedy establishment, women are "okay" if you can dig older women, but the technique/skill is incredible or at least pretty impressive with all of them. Price can't be beat. Also about 120 seconds from the station.

Okay, that was longer than I thought. Will come back later for the Hinomaru followup post in this same thread.

JM
 
Okay, now on to Happy Hinomaru. http://www.hp-hinomaru.com/

Hinomaru was (in)famous even back when I was in college in Tokyo many moons ago, for those who wanted to P4P back in the days before internet review sites and stuff, who were just looking for a fun time in the Kabukicho. I never went, though I probably should have, since those were likely the golden days for this place. Instead, I went in the summer of 2014, and had a shit-awful experience, but one so memorable I had to share.

Force of habit with my work, I research the shit out of something before I make a decision. I read pretty much everything the net had to offer with HH vs JJ before I decided to make my first trip to JanJan (despite Hinomaru being a tad closer at the time). I had all the details I needed. I had the exact post-tax-raise cash counted out, I knew from the website who was working there, I knew the girl I wanted, I had it all worked out (I'd been to JanJan about two times by then).

So I navigated my way through the Kabukicho in the afternoon (I had business in the area, figured I'd stop by and relieve stress; plus Kabukicho at night these days tends to get creepy with sex/drug offers on all sides), found the place; the tout at the bottom of the (rather grand!) stairs escorted me up. The place was... pretty ritzy looking, at least in comparison to JJ. Nice entryway, clean floors and walls if a bit old, like they really took care of the place.

I got to the top, there was apparently only one other guest there. So I paid the 4000+tax, pointed at the chick I picked out: Nagisa (no longer there, mind): At the time, Nagisa's heavily doctored picture made me know what I was in for, having done a little P4P to that point: She'd look about 10-20 years older than her photo, be kinda normal/older, but have pretty good skills.

I was seated in a bar/lounge area, in seats with a very small back to them; you can pretty much see anything in front of you. That's not a dealbreaker for me, but if folks haver performance anxiety it may be troublesome. In any case, after about a minute Nagisa shows up. She was much younger than I expected, pretty much the age that her photo showed!

...but holy cow, she was HUGE. Like 63+ waist at least (I never paid attention to the measurements, I was cursing myself, because I was used to JanJan where all the women were of normal proportion). Note, though I haven't been back in at least half a year, and wouldn't be interested in girls with a waist larger than 60 (unless they had a picture of them holding a First Prize trophy from a fellatio contest), most of the girls at Hinomaru now range from "just the edge of acceptable" to "daaaaamn, seriously?" From that moment on, I would look up the sizes of the girls I P4Played with; while photos are doctored everywhere, I've never seen a place lie (gratuitously) abut sizes. I'd imagine that Nagisa was listed as a 63 but then decided two weeks before to eat ramen and tachigui-chahan three times a day before I saw her. At the time she was listed, the red text said something like "large breasted idol", but her tits had nothing on the gut that spilled all around them. If I wanted that, I'd go back to America. Anyway, I digress.

The second thing that caught me off guard immediately after I took all of her in, was that her face looked a little... off. Like, I couldn't place exactly what the back of my head was screaming at me at the time, but soon I realized when she started speaking: She introduced herself with a bow and started speaking in a weird slow, loud way. That's when my brain rattled loose the thing I suspected:

This woman is mentally retarded.

Not a joke "retard, har har", but like, the whole funny/scrunched up face, the genetic extra chromosome, and the works; stuffed into a girly dress and made to give BJs. No way. There's no fucking way I'm sticking my dick in a mentally handicapped woman's mouth.

But I had no idea what to do, I've never been in this kind of situation before. Do I immediately talk to the tencho? Do I give her a cookie? WTF?

So she sat down and we did the 30 seconds of speaking, while I started working the nerve to say something... but then I realized she wasn't actually mentally retarded. She was obviously not very smart (not because of her profession (there are tons of smart chicks in the industry, and I can carry on a small convo with women at JanJan with no issue) because of her vapid gaze and air-headed speaking patterns. I realized that she was talking really slow and making exaggerated movements not because I was a foreigner, but because she was summoning the "toroi/clumsy == cute" playbook. Instead, because of her size, her looks and her demeanor, it really came across as a genetic handicap.

So yeah, a big fucking sigh of relief. I hope this is worth it (spoilers: it totally wasn't).

She directed me to take off my pants, she used an alcohol wipe to wipe things down, and then like IMMEDIATELY collapsed into my lap and started doing her thing, in a way to basically get the job done as quick as possible.

The only problem is that she was ridiculously, pathetically inept. Aside from like 4 teeth grazes, her technique was basically:
* Grab the shaft firmly. But don't stroke.
* Make whale sounds like you were eating a delicious piece of fruit
* Put mouth on the very end of penis.
* Then jerk neck back and forth as if you are going down on it, but in truth you aren't moving.
Like, not moving head up and down. That would be fine. But rather making a gesture as if you were tilting your head back to look at the ceiling, then down to look at your toes, without moving your mouth at all.

What. The. Fuck. Is. This.

Seriously, in all my ages on this planet it was the worst BJ I have ever experienced. I mean, it would have only been mediocre if she at least stroked her hand while keeping her mouth still, like some cum-extracting efficient but clinical robot. But she wasn't even stroking. I had to not only close my eyes and imagine someone else, I had to buck my hips a little to get like 5 mm up and down to finish the task. It was fucking ridiculous.

Then it ended. I popped. Which meant here that all the shit I expelled, immediately splashed out of her mouth all over my crotch, leaking down into my ass. "Amari ni mo ippai de afuremashita" (There was so much, I couldn't keep it in!) I was shocked by this new unexpected turn, otherwise I would have chided her with "Really? Cause literally every other person I've been with in this industry has not had a problem, except for you". Instead, I just got more towels and wiped my own shit off. Since it was the typical Japanese humid and hot summer, I got to have the pleasant experience of stewing in my own juices for the rest of the workday/commute home.

At the end of the day, Happy Hinomaru came off as a really awesome building/lounge (thumbs way up over JanJan) with mildly uncomfortably open areas, with a staff that was overweight and utterly unskilled, unprofessional. That was my first and last experience at Hinomaru, and from reading other reviews on the net, the best I've seen since that time is, "Eh, they removed my semen for me, whatever."

Since then, I've checked the site or reviews from time to time, seeing if things changed. A lot of the girls (who looked/seemed worse than the one I chose before I picked her) are still there. A few new ones. Nagisa is no longer there. The girls' measurements these days make it look like it's almost a BBW fetish experience; which is fine if there's some skill to back up that lack of self-care; but nope, doesn't look like they've improved on that front.

...or have they? If you're a lurker, and had a good or great experience with them in the last few months, please de-lurk and spill the beans.

However, unless something magically changes, JanJan is my top pick for BJ bars in Tokyo/Japan. And again, would love to hear more reports of BJ bars that do take Japanese-fluent gaijin (PM me even).

JM
 
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I would love to see your review of Dio.
It is the only place in the world with two women willing to provide a BJ & I just can't get off because they are too fat, old, or ugly.
 
Thanks Jason Maximum for your animated review of the two places. My PS days are pretty much over, but I've had two pleasant experiences with Moe at Hanamaru. If you ever go back I'd recommend her-mid-30s, slim, pretty, and intellgent.
 
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I would love to see your review of Dio.
It is the only place in the world with two women willing to provide a BJ & I just can't get off because they are too fat, old, or ugly.
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...yeeeeaaah, the previous unflattering reviews of Dio/Emotion (especially from the one gentleman who had the okay experience one time, then every single other time, be it Dio OR Emotion, had been the same two obese, ugly creatures each time... "LOL-Cringe") have been the reason I've avoided the place. If anyone can figure out the secret to working around that duo's schedule, like the NES Contra Code that unlocks the "meh, okay" looking women who work there, please share!

Again, while getting BJs from total babes would be wonderful (and there are all sorts of nice looking PS across Tokyo), there's few that serve foreigners. So I'll always choose skill over looks... ... ...to a point. That point is currently the descriptions of the ladies at Dio/Emotion. If something changes and an awesome experience is to be had again, I'll be all in for giving it a try.

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My PS days are pretty much over, but I've had two pleasant experiences with Moe at Hanamaru. If you ever go back I'd recommend her-mid-30s, slim, pretty, and intellgent.
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Interesting rec. Will keep that in the back of my mind. Thanks!

JM
 
Actually that was me who always got stuck with the Tweetle Dee & Tweetle Dum sized twins, or the old lady that looks like the cleaning lady. I'd also go if I could figure out how not to get this combo.
 
yah, thanks for the review. janjan really is good. i hope they do good in business. nobody screw it up please!
 
Actually that was me who always got stuck with the Tweetle Dee & Tweetle Dum sized twins, or the old lady that looks like the cleaning lady. I'd also go if I could figure out how not to get this combo.

Takin' one (...or two, actually, in this case) for the team. Thank you for your service, sir! *salutes*

...yeah, would love to hear something positive about Dio/Emotion again. Sounds like a great deal... but then again, you could just go and get in line again at JanJan for the better experience and reasonably similar price.

nobody screw it up please!

This. I will destroy you if you fuck it up.

Alas, things change for all sorts of reasons, but if in this case it's because "some shitball couldn't speak the language and treated the girls rough", then I'm sure a bunch of us will go Liam Neeson all over you.
 
wow - the very definition of infotainment!

Hilarious and useful - keep 'em coming (harhar)!
 
My last three JanJan encounters were tough and i stopped going there. Last lady was something like Usami san. She pealed my skin and took few days to heal. Before also i met another girl over 40years, i took almost 5 days to heal the bites. Another women spit all her saliva on the sofa, at the end I realised that my bottom is almost wet by her. Nonprofessional :) I stopped going there due to frequent bite marks, dont want to be hurt, or don't want to give my dick as a test object to old ladies to lean how to do BJ
 
Over the past few years I have gone to Happy Hinomaru numerous times as I visited Japan 2 for 3 times each year. The first dew years I always got someone reasonable, slender to avg build and a pleasant, maybe not beautiful, face as well as a great blow. The past 3 times I have been have been big disappointments. First a slender, pretty gal who couldn't blow worth a damn and mostly just tried to tug me off. The last two times I got fatties. The first had an ok face for a poker but she did a TERRIBLE job on me.. The last was just plain fat and revolting. I couldn't finish with her and all I wanted to do was get away. NASTY. Her selection picture must have been 30 years old.. I think they have one set of gals for foreigners and one for Japanese. The J's get the (much) better selection.

I am not sure I will go back to HH.. Or if I do I will tell them "no trolls" and "last try" when I go in the door..

I will try Jan Jan.. I don't need beautiful or skinny, just something reasonable.. Not a troll.
 
I am not sure I will go back to HH.. Or if I do I will tell them "no trolls" and "last try" when I go in the door..

Gaijins aren't in a position to demand too much. Gaijins who expect too much have led to us being banned from numerous places in the past. If you are paying 50,000 yen for service you can start demanding things to a point. Whatever you get for 4,000 yen at Happy Hippo's is probably better than what you would get from your home country for the same price point. You are getting a BJ in a safe and friendly environment for the same price as a meal and a beer at TGI Friday's...

Pink salons are a crap shoot. If you find a woman you like - pay the 2,000 yen nomination fee next time. Otherwise you might get a 'fat troll' who leaves bite marks.....
 
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Gaijins aren't in a position to demand too much. Gaijins who expect too much have led to us being banned from numerous places in the past. If you are paying 50,000 yen for service you can start demanding things to a point. Whatever you get for 4,000 yen at Happy Hippo's is probably better than what you would get from your home country for the same price point. You are getting a BJ in a safe and friendly environment for the same price as a meal and a beer at TGI Friday's...

Pink salons are a crap shoot. If you find a woman you like - pay the 2,000 yen nomination fee next time. Otherwise you might get a 'fat troll' who leaves bite marks.....

lol.. I know very well how to ask for what I want and not come off as an ass. I try very hard not to be "that gaijin that gives all gaijin an bad name". I most likely will NOT go back to HH at this point but if I do I'm not going to just go by the pictures. HH *used* to be decent (as far as the quality of the ladies) but they seemed to have gone way downhill in the past 2 years or so.

BTW, They allow you to pick for free at HH, but only from one side of a board and the picture that I picked from last time looked NOTHING like the woman that came out. The photo must have been at least 20 or 30 years old. Seriously, I don't think I've EVER been with something as nasty as her and I have tried VERY hard not to be picky about such things.
 
I believe all HH girls are available for gaijins. One side of the board is for girls who are already with a customer, the other side is for ladies who are currently available.

With places like HH it is a case of looking at the website to see who working at any particular day and time to see if it is worth paying a visit or not.

Also these places seem to go in phases, some of the 'trolls' might leave in the coming months to be replaced by relatively decent looking women. I would leave it 6 months or so then check the website again to see who is on the cast list at the time.
 
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I have only been infrequently to HH, as it is not really my prefered kind of service, but the few times I was there, I got a decent girl. I always ask for a somewhat slender girl and that worked. Never nominated by picture, but rather go by the suggestion of the tenchou.
But i rather prefer to go somewhere like fantasy in ikkebukuro. If you go during the day I think the 35min course is 8000yen and you get really cute girls, who know what they do and you also have your privacy.
 
Jason, Fantasy is not a Pink Salon. There are plenty of reviews, like this thread
http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/miku-of-fantasy-ikebukuro.7991/

I only put that for reference that I do not usually cater to PS. Basically I only went their before discovering places like Fantasy that are more to my taste.
I think the more important advice is to rather tell the tenchou what you want instead of trusting in photoshop pics ;)
 
@jason: Great review.
Sorry to hear about your HH experience, yet I had a great laugh & almost choked on my onigiri - excellent report!

Cheers!
 
My last 2 vists to Hinomarun have been hugely disappointing, while I used to be satisfied in the past. I could accept not-s0-good-lookng girls if they were providing good serve, like fully naked, 69 , fingering etc.. None of this happened in my last visits.
I do to hinomaru rather than JanJan because it is closer than Jan Jan, at least for me. But I may go back to JanJan, where I had my best ever pink salon experience some years back. ( a wonderful MLF who was so much in it that I thought she got my tool in..Actually was sumata, but felt the same.) It is Hit or miss, I know, but worth a try, I guess.
 
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Agree dreams... As I said previously, I have also been HUGELY disappointed my last 2 or 3 trips to HH. It's NOT that the girls were just not "good looking enough" but that they were freaking HORRIBLY FUGLY. I couldn't even keep it up the last time and just had to leave unfinished. I mean SCARY UGLY and freakin OLD and FAT. And hey, I'm not even too picky when it comes to just a blow..
 
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sorry to ask: do I have option to use condom when BBJ? thanks, i always prefer use condom,..:)
 
Why don't you go to the 10 ,000 an hour dick massage place in Shinjuku instead? It might be a better option than a covered BJ at the places you mentioned.
 
can you advise on this 1 hour massage? what's in that?and where I can find some review s? thanks
 
Asian Feeling. Massages with sexy Thai ladies not Japanese.
 
Take the massage topic somewhere else, thanks.