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Can the club tell the girl to stop seeing a guy? I guess they can. Do they? I do not believe they do. And once you meet someone for the first time all the communication is then direct and not via the club.

As I stated in an earlier post the girl who cancelled was a first date. So why tell her to cancel.

The girl who postponed did so for 2 days. And I have seen her again with another date setup for this week.

While the club has a vested interest to have you see new girls, the girls themselves get the same fee so if they feel comfortable with a guy why not see them again. Better the devil you know.

I have seen 2 girls multiple times and have never gotten the impression that the club is pulling any strings. Note also that this is not an agency with 20 girls who have to call in when they meet a guy etc. with 800 plus girls they cannot possibly be managing to keep tabs on all of them.

And yes it is steep but again it just feels different to say an AM appointment.

I am a glass half full guy so while I see your point of view on this I believe it is above board and will continue to enjoy it.

As a regular contributor I will be the first to let people know if I feel it is not legit or there is potential foul play afoot.

For now I am going to simply keep on enjoying it for what it is worth.

To quote Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, and no offense intended, 'opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one'.

SN
 
Solong said:
If the site can influence the girl and they are getting 20,000 yen to 30,000 yen in setting fees, then they have a monetary interest to cheat customers.

If the woman keeps seeing the same guy, they lose charging you the setting fee.
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That makes no sense to me. Why would the agency risk having it come out that they were trying to game the system? That easily balances out the 'monetary interest to cheat customers'.

It's also against the GIRL'S interest to stop seeing the same guy. It's not like this is an escort shop- I would think most of the girls aren't seeing a bunch of guys at the same time. Why would they reject a guy they know when they may never get another appointment, or not get an appointment with someone they click with?
 
I think Solong needs to say "so long" already, rather than try to convince the world that Japan is a giant scam rigged against them.
 
I never said Japan was a giant scam. Please don't confuse yourself or try to attribute false words to me.

I was very specific about the types of scams being done in Japan in my other posts. They exist and they are the truth.

In terms of the Universe Club, I didn't explicitly say they were scam, I was more voicing concern about how expensive they are, on their ROI (return on investment), and their procedures. And comparing them a bit with escorts and other sugar daddy clubs.

If a guy is fine spending 90,000 yen (~900 dollars) for sex and is happy, then so be it.
 
I recently joined Universe Club as a trial member, but haven't attempted to arrange a date and am not sure whether I will.

As Serenity Now said UC is very well organized and professional, and their website is well done and convenient. They have quite a few girls who are said to be models and/or actresses, hostesses, and in general quite a selection of very young, very Japanese, girls. If that's what you're looking for this service looks extremely promising. They're definitely another class from AM and other professional services as far as looks go.

If you're like me and speak minimal Japanese it'll really reduce your options, though as I understand some girls who barely speak any English will still meet if you want. That'd be a bit of a challenge I think, but if you picked a girl who was outgoing it might work out nicely. Many of the girls have videos which do wonders to highlight their personalities.

I'm a picky bastard, and all but one of the girls I've favorited so far are platinum level and expecting Y5-60,000 per date. From a brief survey Y50,000 seems to be about what you'd expect on average for both gold & platinum, but I definitely find platinum preferable and forget about standard (though I did see one AM girl there!)

I'll let y'all know what my final decision is. It's tempting to take that trial date, but I'm pretty sure I'd have to go on a few settings at least to find the right chemistry. At platinum level that's a pretty big commitment and I've been pretty disappointed by my experiences with Japanese girls in general. These definitely aren't high class escorts whose business is making you happy.
 
Solong said:
I never said Japan was a giant scam. Please don't confuse yourself or try to attribute false words to me.

I was very specific about the types of scams being done in Japan in my other posts. They exist and they are the truth.

In terms of the Universe Club, I didn't explicitly say they were scam, I was more voicing concern about how expensive they are, on their ROI (return on investment), and their procedures. And comparing them a bit with escorts and other sugar daddy clubs.

If a guy is fine spending 90,000 yen (~900 dollars) for sex and is happy, then so be it.
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Your problem is that you only write about scams, how deviant are the Japanese, how they hate gaijins and so on.. perhaps you could, at least once, tell us about more positive experiences? I am afraid you just are a "hater", hate Japan, Japanese, women, and soon hates all of us as well..
 
I have lived in Japan for 10 years. I'm just telling the truth from direct observation or giving an opinion. Honesty is the best policy. The only people that would be upset by the truth are swindlers. For the rest of the people, they are not upset or worried.
 
There are reasons why different people can have very different experiences and impressions of the same place or activity or person etc. One of them is called "confirmation bias"; your prior beliefs or expectations affect what you notice, how you understand it, what you later recall etc etc. It is well studied and documented by psychologists. You can look it up if you are so inclined.

It doesn't mean that one person has to be wrong, and the other right; they can both be right...or wrong! :D

Fwiiw, I think that a concept like ROI and thinking along the lines of "a guy is fine spending 90,000 yen (~900 dollars) for sex" is already missing the major attractions of the sugar bowl (i.e., sugar dating). By that sort of measure masturbation is the best ROI, ne?

-Ww
 
Got two reports about this thread, just keep the bad vibes toned down.

Yes, not everyone sees the world through rose colored glasses. Everyone is entitled to their informed decision and opinion.

Carry on. We're all on the same mission here.
 
Solong said:
I have lived in Japan for 10 years. I'm just telling the truth from direct observation or giving an opinion. Honesty is the best policy. The only people that would be upset by the truth are swindlers. For the rest of the people, they are not upset or worried.
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Neither upset nor worried, just saddened. You must be a very unhappy man to enjoy exclusively reporting bad experiences.
I repeat my question: don't you have a SINGLE positive experience to tell us about? Honestly?
 
Let's get this thread back on track and ignore the negativity, as per my handle, Serenity Now!
 
And I will continue to share my thoughts and experiences on the subject.

Am always happy to answer questions as best I can.

Cheers.

SN
 
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Neither upset nor worried, just saddened. You must be a very unhappy man to enjoy exclusively reporting bad experiences.
I repeat my question: don't you have a SINGLE positive experience to tell us about? Honestly?
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You are tripping over yourself. Stop projecting your weird accusations on me and making extreme exaggerations. Stop trying to FORCE others to agree with you. It's not necessary.

People are entitled to their opinion and the TRUTH.

If spending $900 dollars for sex is your thing, that's YOU.
 
Solong said:
You are tripping over yourself. Stop projecting your weird accusations on me and making extreme exaggerations. Stop trying to FORCE others to agree with you. It's not necessary.

People are entitled to their opinion and the TRUTH.

If spending $900 dollars for sex is your thing, that's YOU.
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Repeating the question: Can you report ONE positive experience?
 
Stop obsessing over me and trying to FORCE your opinion. This has become ridiculous. Stay on topic and refer to that. I gave an opinion, that's it.

Only swindlers or somebody that owns stock in the mentioned company, would feel the need to force their point of view on others or become obsessed with anybody that disagrees.

All this drama you are trying to create, is pointless. State your belief on how great it was to pay $900 dollars for a night of "great" sex, and be done. By the way, besides UC, there are other Sugar Daddy websites or arrangements to talk about.

Let OTHER people state their opinions. Simple. Other people can give their opinions or experiences about it, and people can judge from the collection of different points of views.
 
Solong said:
Stop obsessing over me and trying to FORCE your opinion. This has become ridiculous. Stay on topic and refer to that. I gave an opinion, that's it.
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The issue people have with you is that everything you write sounds nasty and cynical to the the point that even reasonable things you say end up sounding horrible.
 
Instead of obsessing over me, tell everyone about your fantastic experience with UC and about all the girlfriends you got off the website.

I'm waiting to see your report.
 
Solong said:
Instead of obsessing over me, tell everyone about your fantastic experience with UC and about all the girlfriends you got off the website.

I'm waiting to see your report.
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and you follow you with spiteful sarcasm. You must be a barrel of laughs at parties.
 
psd said:
The issue people have with you is that everything you write sounds nasty and cynical to the the point that even reasonable things you say end up sounding horrible.
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Well said ,Sir, it summarises perfectly why this guy gets such bad reviews.
And I still await his FIRST ever ositive review.
 
Solong said:
Stop obsessing over me and trying to FORCE your opinion. This has become ridiculous. Stay on topic and refer to that. I gave an opinion, that's it.

Only swindlers or somebody that owns stock in the mentioned company, would feel the need to force their point of view on others or become obsessed with anybody that disagrees.

All this drama you are trying to create, is pointless. State your belief on how great it was to pay $900 dollars for a night of "great" sex, and be done. By the way, besides UC, there are other Sugar Daddy websites or arrangements to talk about.

Let OTHER people state their opinions. Simple. Other people can give their opinions or experiences about it, and people can judge from the collection of different points of views.
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The reason why many of us are "obsessed" about you, is that we can't avoid you. You comment on each and every thread, so wherever we go, you are there with your nasty, xenophobic, mysoginistic comments. I would like to forget about you, but you are everywhere...
 
It's not many, it's a few like YOU or fake accounts. Stop exaggerating and making distortions.

I have lived in Japan for the past10 years. I'm not xenophobic, which is a ridiculous accusation by the way... I have lived and live with Japanese women and I love women.

The only thing that you will ever see me have a problem with is SCAMS and scam artists. Confusing somebody that doesn't like scams with being xenophobic, is just plain silly.

Stay on topic and tell everyone about your wonderful UC experience and all your girlfriends from there. Obviously, since you specifically are upset, you have a marvelous experience to share.

Eagerly waiting for your report on the topic.
 
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dreams said:
The reason why many of us are "obsessed" about you, is that we can't avoid you. You comment on each and every thread, so wherever we go, you are there with your nasty, xenophobic, mysoginistic comments. I would like to forget about you, but you are everywhere...
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Dreams -- Go to the "User CP" on top of the page, then choose "Edit Ignore List" under "Settings and Options". You can then do as I have done and add the member in question to your ignore list, and his posts will vanish, replaced by "This message is hidden because _____ is on your Ignore List."
 
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