Holding Back

I usually only go to places where advanced/fluent Japanese is required.
1) Usually prettier girls
2) Usually cheaper
3) Usually FS

I would never use any websites that have English names such as [Redacted], [Redacted #67], etc Exact opposite of the list given.

TokyoML said:

I usually only go to places where advanced/fluent Japanese is required.

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This.

Also I have ever held information only when the shop has specifically asked me or the service I receive(d) is based only on the personal relationship I have with the girl and not within shop policy.

why do you suggest that japanese is an issue? most people speak japanese...

vondoom said:

why do you suggest that japanese is an issue? most people speak japanese...

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Even if it might be the case for us active in TAG it doesn't seem it's true with most of the people who come to TAG with questions.

ShowaJidai said:

Definitely my experience.

There are a couple places in Koiwa - one is Korean with young and/or hot women. 10k Yen for 40 min's massage and FS. 13k for 60 min's. But you must be fluent in Japanese.

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It's strange cause I'm fluent (and usually don't like to waste money) but still prefer the more expensive places geared towards tourists or English-only foreigners. I don't want the hassle of risking being rejected , proving I'm a "good gaijin", risking issues with the yaks etc. Certainly overblown concerns though , I admit. Also when I have found a lady I like somewhere (which is the case at [Redacted]... hmmmmm... Sophie ) I tend to become a repeater and not too interested in exploring new frontiers. But that's just me.

Over the years I have found 5 or 6 establishments (not including Chinese places) near to where I live. I have never reviewed these places on TAG or anywhere else for risk of the well being poisoned.

Every year I go to potential places in my area to see if they are gaijin friendly. Usually I get rejected, but I aim to return the next year to see if anything has changed.

Sometimes places, which I was allowed to enter, close or change admission policies so I am always looking for a new place.

There is a lot of legwork and disappointment involved scouting locations. But if someone puts in the legwork, it is possible to find decent places.

I've been to a couple places in Ootsuka, Ikebukuro, & Ueno, but that was long before I discovered the TAG community. Wish I had found TAG a lot earlier as that would have saved me a lot of trial and error (more the latter )

That was way back in the day though, and none of the places I could write about are around anymore, except probably NYNY.

TAG Manager said:

Yeah.... stuff has changed for both the good and bad.

Thanks for sticking with us for the past 7 years.

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Have I been here THAT long?!?!

Frenchy said:

risking issues with the yaks etc. Certainly overblown concerns though

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Well, at least you recognise that yourself. I don't know what you would have to do to get problems with the not-so-organised-crime but I have tried quite different things and none of them worked. So after several decades with p4p I have never even seen a peek of one.

The only time I managed to piss them off was totally not related to p4p.

MossBoss said:

Over the years I have found 5 or 6 establishments (not including Chinese places) near to where I live. I have never reviewed these places on TAG or anywhere else for risk of the well being poisoned.

Every year I go to potential places in my area to see if they are gaijin friendly. Usually I get rejected, but I aim to return the next year to see if anything has changed.

Sometimes places, which I was allowed to enter, close or change admission policies so I am always looking for a new place.

There is a lot of legwork and disappointment involved scouting locations. But if someone puts in the legwork, it is possible to find decent places.

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Exactly.

The most important part is not to fear rejection. If they don't want me, it's their choice, no hangups here. Places changes, policies change, managers change. Limiting yourself to the same small number of "safe" places sure cuts down on the fun.Legwork is important. Can't google everything.

ShowaJidai said:

So they were probably were looking out for me.

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Next time you should have brought the guy a bottle of whiskey and promised you'll taking his advice from now on.

Going back to the original post/question, I think it's pretty well understood that quite a few members on here that are in the know about certain places hold back information on them. But then every once in a while someone spills the beans. We usually don't hear about the consequences, if any, of that happening.

I both agree and disagree with that, mostly on the grounds that we gaijin (especially the old timers - i.e. not me, lol) are really the best resource that fellow gaijin have when seeking adventure in this strange and wonderful place. On the other hand I do know that there's dudes out there that might come in and ruin things for the rest of us. I'd be interested to see the ocassional review pop up for a shop that requires native level speech or even Chinese (not that I'd ever learn it). Why not when it could help a fellow monger someday?

Lukes said:

On the other hand I do know that there's dudes out there that might come in and ruin things for the rest of us.

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I used to held that opinion too but nowadays I find it to be kind of comical. If there is a staff member that will stop accepting all foreigners based on the behaviour of a few then that will happen sooner or later anyway.

If the shop staff are smart then they will learn to recognise the "good" from the "bad" and the "ugly" like me will still get in. As @Babaram said change is the norm so don't get fixated to a shop but do your legwork regularly. Then you won't feel so bad if some shop stops giving you entry but can just go to the next one.

Well, it obviously might be easier to me to say this than before as all my regulars are not shops but specific girls. So I can be pretty sure I can meet them anyway even if the staff gets a change of heart.

I'm not holding back per se, just intervals between visits mean that for example the providers I met last year are no longer in the shops I went (possibly left the industry).
Regarding the Yaks, my only experience in P4P was intense, but mercifully brief. (I have met them in "civilian" situations and that was always fine).
Several years ago, an executive at a Japanese client was being very difficult. Problems on the project around Christmas made him try to piss me off by insisting on meeting face-to-face Jan 1st. I think he didn't realise that Christmas is the big deal in Europe so, Jan 1st was not the end of the world for me (I did have to fly in 30th Dec for it and couldn't combine with other clients, but I hung out with friends - some with benefits - so the trip was not a total waste). I knew how the meeting would go down, it would be fine, but I would have to take a load of his whingeing and apologise a lot. To get me through it, beforehand I surfed (in Japanese) to find a place that would be open Jan 1st near the meeting place (Nagoya Station). Meeting done, around 8 pm, I walked about 3 mins in sub-zero temperatures and came to the highest-end place I have ever entered. Classic Japanese architecture, stone path, intricate wood entrance, etc. All modern though (e.g. automatic sliding door). I entered and things went south fast. The tencho bounded out from behind his desk and said "NO JAPANESE" (in katakana English) with a big dame/cross sign. Unperturbed, I started explaining (in Japanese obviously) that language was not an issue, etc. I barely got halfway through my spiel when two guys, both taller than me (i.e.180+), muscular, in high-end suits, glide out of the only door I can see from where I am standing (the rest of my view is the entrance area and a corridor). I say glide because I was looking at face-level and they did not make a sound as they came through the door, nor did they speak. The menace was unmistakable though. By the time I finished (within 10 secs max) the tencho was sweating profusely, but nervously and rapidly explained that he meant foreigners were not acceptable and he was not referring to language ability (which I had actually understood, but chosen to ignore). I politely expained I understood, apologised for disturbing them and took my leave. Only time I have feared for my personal safety in Japan. I don't think it can have taken much more than a minute start to finish, but still remember it vividly. Not sure this anecdote has a punchline, except to remind you that if ever faced with the Yakuza in P4P a hasty retreat is your best (only) option. The rest of the evening I spent in a bit of a daze, I hit a massage place in the end, but honestly I just spent the evening replaying the events in my head and wondering which warning signs I had missed to end up in such a situation. Anyway, project was successfully completed, after which I helped convince the client's president that Mr. Grumpy Exec was ready for amakudari. So, not all bad...

ShowaJidai said:

That got me to thinking about how many guys here are holding out on us in an attempt to keep a place to themselves – as much as that could be possible?

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Most people here know that I have a regular venue that I use that is members only, and I have been specifically told not to review or name the place online.

I hit up other places now and again, either out of nostalgia or unexpectedly finding myself with a free couple of hours in a certain area, and share those relatively freely. Some places I share only with people I know offline.

Lukes said:

I think it's pretty well understood that quite a few members on here that are in the know about certain places hold back information on them. But then every once in a while someone spills the beans. We usually don't hear about the consequences, if any, of that happening.

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I can see why a lot of people keep things to themselves. When a place is newly reviewed here, they get a flood of people who either don't know, or don't care about, the rules of that sort of establishment. Think of all the clueless posters that pop up and repeatedly ask if FS is on the table at, say, a pink salon - these are the guys that show up and take a nice healthy shit in the punchbowl, and the reason that a lot of people keep relatively secretive about their favourite spots. Been that way since the ISG heydays.