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Going rate for SBs in Tokyo

No, I wouldn't take anyone to see Star Wars, that's not normal!

I am pretty sure you could do most of that with any independent escort; except the weed part because we don't promote criminal behaviour here. ;) It seems to me the only reason why you wouldn't consider it is the cost. So is the SB only a cheaper version of escorting?

You’re right- taking someone to Star Wars is NOT normal. Stay in and enjoy a comedy with whatever (legal or otherwise) condiments you like.

Yes, being a SB is a soft form of escorting, but is still escorting without a doubt.
 
They have guns in Japan? o_O

You sound genuinely surprised? Of course there are guns, how else would you hunt for deer and boar otherwise?
 
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You sound genuinely surprised? Of course there are guns, how else would you hunt for deer and boar otherwise?
There are dear and boar in Japan? o_O

Kidding of course. I know there are some guns in civilian ownership but my understanding is that this is not common.
 
There are dear and boar in Japan?

There are probably many dear SBs in Japan but probably more boars. And getting a shotgun requires probably as much commitment as getting an SB. But you get more shots out of a shotgun, at least when you are ageing.
 
I always treat arranging specifics with a sugarbabe as a proper negotiation. I don't date professionals with fixed rates, so the amounts depend on chemistry, attractiveness, expectations, etc.

I've had candidates regale me with stories of men lavishing millions of yen on them in exchange for nothing more than dinner company, but when my reply is "cool! I'm sorry but I won't offer anything like that" they're quick enough to discuss more reasonable arrangements. So I don't take initial offers very seriously, except as an immediate "no" when they're totally unreasonable which is a red flag for me.

All that aside I'd say 30-50,000¥ per date is reasonable to start with for a girl in the 6-8 range in terms of looks. If chemistry is good a monthly arrangement could be anywhere from 2-10x that depending on conditions. Of course if she's young and closer to the 8-10 range it could go a lot higher :D
I agree with these financial figures, seems about right.

Yes, as for those stories with how much they got from other guys, that basically the same as guys who say they can get it cheaper from other girls. Thats nice and all but go to them then? You are talking to each other so what other people ask or pay is not relevant unless its an absolute average maybe and even then this situation can be different.
Should treat unique arrangements on a case by case basis.
 
I am pretty sure you could do most of that with any independent escort; except the weed part because we don't promote criminal behaviour here. ;) It seems to me the only reason why you wouldn't consider it is the cost. So is the SB only a cheaper version of escorting?
Hmm. In my understanding, like other people said, SB is a soft from of escorting.
So basically girls who dont wanna do sex work but are cool with being sugar babies usually only want the sex part after them have made sure there is some real connection and they are not repulsed by the guy. They wanna build something like a real kind of relationship with a guy they get along with, but also with the financial part. Plus per hour they maybe get much less money, but they always get a serious amound and dont have to do things like a one hour appointment that they get a 10.000 cut for that some agency girls would have to do. So that may be the draw.
 
You sound genuinely surprised? Of course there are guns, how else would you hunt for deer and boar otherwise?
Shotguns and rifles can be purchased in Japan. On occasion there are shooting accidents in rural areas.
 
I’d say that some SBs make more than there SD. So some are just in it for the thrill of it and material things that they don’t want to pay for themselves. While others might be in it because they have no source of income other than their parents and they want to have the same things as their friends. Some are just lonely and into casual sex but want to be rewarded rather than just meet a guy for nothing for dining and sex. There are too many variables in SD/SB scene to know for sure what motivates the woman and if she indeed is a prostitute. What’s the difference in dating a man that is generous and gives his gf money and gifts? Is she classified as an escort at that point? In my experiences with women in the States, I often was asked how I could afford nice apartments, cars, clothes, and gadgets. As well as that, I was asked how much I earned in a year. That determined if they wanted to date me or not. Sizing up a man’s value is all the same. Pimps set a price and the men who can pay, pay. Indies set prices and the ones who are fortunate enough to partake, partake. SBs that look like goddesses who can get $10,000 per month or escorts that can get that per hour from a tycoon or hedge fund operator more power to them, but it’s all really about buying and selling and partaking. Some put more value on intellect or skill or looks than money. I’m not really sure if any woman or man is not a prostitute or a monger. So from this thread I gather that the rate can be as low as 三万 円 per date or month to 三十万円 per date or month or higher depending on looks and intelligence and whether sex is allowed or not allowed.

Thanks for the help.
 
Hmm. In my understanding, like other people said, SB is a soft from of escorting.
So basically girls who dont wanna do sex work but are cool with being sugar babies usually only want the sex part after them have made sure there is some real connection and they are not repulsed by the guy. They wanna build something like a real kind of relationship with a guy they get along with, but also with the financial part. Plus per hour they maybe get much less money, but they always get a serious amound and dont have to do things like a one hour appointment that they get a 10.000 cut for that some agency girls would have to do. So that may be the draw.

This is basically why I like sugar dating. I've read some nice stories here on TAG, and even had friends with really great sugar relationships, but 90% of the girls I've met in Japan have been pretty standoffish and clearly only interested in the money. They'll act sweet trying to set up a meeting but if you're busy they get mad easily, and most messages are clearly transactional rather than just being friendly.

In fact I'd bet the warmer sounding independents like yourself are probably far sweeter with repeat customers than these girls are LOL :ROFLMAO: Still you can find a gem on occasion, just requires shoveling a lot of shit first.
 
What’s the difference in dating a man that is generous and gives his gf money and gifts? Is she classified as an escort at that point? In my experiences with women in the States, I often was asked how I could afford nice apartments, cars, clothes, and gadgets. As well as that, I was asked how much I earned in a year. That determined if they wanted to date me or not.

Haha no, most women want a man who can take care of them, that's basic female psychology, certainly doesn't make her an escort.

Offering to marry and take care of a woman, and any resulting children, for the rest of their lives is the ultimate statement of value. Could easily cost millions of dollars, never mind a lifetime of dedication. Women know men value youth and low partner counts so sooner or later most focus on evaluating men as marriage material, i.e. can they provide for her and the children?

Escorts are just providing a service worth whatever rate the market determines. Men will pay millions and give their life for a good wife (or s shit one as too many good men do these days) but an escort is only worth $500/hour or whatever the local market dictates.

So from this thread I gather that the rate can be as low as 三万 円 per date or month to 三十万円 per date or month or higher depending on looks and intelligence and whether sex is allowed or not allowed.

I've met a few girls who were fun dining companions but I didn't particularly want to sleep with them. For those cases, or first meetings from SA, I generally offered UC's standard 10,000¥ "transportation" fee.
 
Still you can find a gem on occasion, just requires shoveling a lot of shit first.
True, but at least you are not obliged to pay on the first date so the "shit shoveling" is ultimately less costly than with escorts
 
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True, but at least you are not obliged to pay on the first date so the "shit shoveling" is ultimately less costly than with escorts

I always give a transportation fee but yeah it's definitely less costly in terms of money. Pretty damn expensive in terms of time though! Like seriously, so many hours wasted o_O Wish girls were more honest chatting beforehand haha
 
I always give a transportation fee but yeah it's definitely less costly in terms of money. Pretty damn expensive in terms of time though! Like seriously, so many hours wasted o_O Wish girls were more honest chatting beforehand haha

Well for me it became oddly pleasant even with time wasters cause I could collect various pearls of shameless bullshit and funnily idiotic conversations at a low cost. I liked the entertainment value. But I'm weird, granted.
 
I'm curious.
Care to share some? :)

Examples: lady pretending to be a serious student at a prestigious university (whereas I already knew she was an escort and learnt soon after she has a job), other one telling me she just lost her wallet so asked me to pay for the taxi (which I was ok to do, not because I believed her, but she put on a good show), that one also doing everything to piss me off like asking my name, age, job right from the start and surprised when I just smiled and replied "hmmmm for the first minute shall we talk about the weather instead?" Etc etc
 
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Well for me it became oddly pleasant even with time wasters cause I could collect various pearls of shameless bullshit and funnily idiotic conversations at a low cost. I liked the entertainment value. But I'm weird, granted.
I also consider this to be a funny experience. I love it when 18 year olds tell me that they're studying to get a doctorate in psychology or about how they spent one week in Paris and it changed them into another person. Well that one I'm inclined to believe after meeting you on here :ROFLMAO:
 
I also consider this to be a funny experience. I love it when 18 year olds tell me that they're studying to get a doctorate in psychology or about how they spent one week in Paris and it changed them into another person. Well that one I'm inclined to believe after meeting you on here :ROFLMAO:
Lol! Thanks ! (?)
Actually I don't like Paris that much , but hey you should not meet 18 year olds anyway (not 100% sure about the age of consent here, if only for that reason)
 
Ah,
Marc Idesade, 47, Hermès tout. :D

Anyway, I think it's a normal thing to be asked, right off the bat, when meeting someone on a first date.
Hmmm let's agree to disagree then . I think it's off-putting. Oh and stop stalking me ! :)
(I suppose only francophones would get the Marc Idesade thing though)
 
Lol! Thanks ! (?)
Actually I don't like Paris that much , but hey you should not meet 18 year olds anyway (not 100% sure about the age of consent here, if only for that reason)
In the good old USA the age of consent is 18. The drinking age is 21. Funny how that works. You can get hammered by wieners but not wine.

The Paris thing was me saying that France produces some very interesting personalities so I can see how an impressionable young lady might consider it a formative experience.

Oh and I met a cute 18 year old today at the pharmacy. I was trying to buy some Bacardi and a funnel (don't ask why) and because she was under 21, she wasn't able to sell it to me so she had to call a manager over. Well she was actually excited to tell me she was 18. So now I know where I'm going on Wednesday nights.
 
Haha no, most women want a man who can take care of them, that's basic female psychology, certainly doesn't make her an escort.

Offering to marry and take care of a woman, and any resulting children, for the rest of their lives is the ultimate statement of value. Could easily cost millions of dollars, never mind a lifetime of dedication. Women know men value youth and low partner counts so sooner or later most focus on evaluating men as marriage material, i.e. can they provide for her and the children?

Escorts are just providing a service worth whatever rate the market determines. Men will pay millions and give their life for a good wife (or s shit one as too many good men do these days) but an escort is only worth $500/hour or whatever the local market dictates.



I've met a few girls who were fun dining companions but I didn't particularly want to sleep with them. For those cases, or first meetings from SA, I generally offered UC's standard 10,000¥ "transportation" fee.
That seems reasonable. The ¥10,000 yen part.