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Sugar Dating... My start

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Yeah well I guess if I had a French wife she would probably kill me too if I said I sang God Saves the Queen (and just shrugg off the meaningless action before that :D)
 
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A bit of a retrospective to close out this post and my first experience with sugar dating…

From my original, post, this is what I wanted….

I wanted to try sugar dating.. Mainly because I wanted to extend my trip planning beyond P4P, sight seeing and eating.
In my ideal scenario for the next trip, I would have 4-5 short meetings to ‘gauge chemistry’ and agree on arrangements, which would lead to 2-3 long dates that would include play time. I want to date a 19-22 year kawaii type girl, late twenties to mid 30’s professional, and 40+ divorcee who is hot to trot…

While things didn’t go quite as planned from the original plan, it did go close to the plan I finalized days before my trip..here is a bit of a recap, that may be useful to others, or may be interesting…or maybe not

SA: Many (or at least a couple) have said that a lot of work is required to get 1 potential good relationship from SA. People say that SA requires a lot of time and energy, to filter girls out. I believe this is true, even though I consider myself pretty lucky. Some metrics. Around 20 initial conversations and pictures exchanged. I did say I was married, which probably did eliminate some of the girls. Probably 5 girls did not respond once they say my pics and about 5 girls I did not respond to after seeing their private pics. About 15 girls I had exchanged about 5-10 messages with. 10 girls I exchanged Line contacts with and had some conversations. 6 girls I had serious enough conversations to the point where we may meet. Planned to meet 4 girls going into to Tokyo and met 3 girls. One girl I had sex with and provided a ‘sugar’ fee. Throughout this post, I pretty much described my experiences and the girls.

Planning

A couple of good points of advice were to:

  • Move to Line quickly.
  • Setup an initial short lunch/drink to minimize risk and not to pay for it
  • Align on financial agreement before going on the sugar date.

I did 1.5 of the three with the girl I can consider my sugar baby? That is really weird to say… I don’t think I have enough money to be considered a sugar daddy. I moved to Line quickly, the short lunch/date turned into a dinner, but I didn’t provide her with any benefits for the dinner except paying for expenses. I did not align on the financial agreement with her before we had sex.

Note: Some girls did not want to chat via Line, but wanted to used What’s App. For some reason, I ended conversations with those girls. I think it is because if she wasn’t willing to give me her Line account, I didn’t want to move further.

Financials

I had three dates. One girl I had lunch and coffee with, no extra money was provided. Girl #2, had about a 6 hour date in Asakusa and Shinjuku and did not pay extra money, just meals and some refill to her train pass. She was the hottest of the girls (solid 8.5), but I knew going in that it would not lead to sex and that point (Sunday), I was pretty attracted/committed to my sugar girl and a ‘girl I met at a bar’ LOL.

Like any good TAG member should do, I read all related threads regarding the subject and I could not find a good number for the payment. Even in the thread labeled, “Going Rate for SBs in Tokyo”, I was still confused.
Unlike others here, I was not directly propositioned by the girl many times. From the small sample, I was offered dinner only for 10K and intimacy for 40K to 50K.
I expected more direct propositions, but it did not happen. No big deal.

After having sex with the girl for the first time, I pretty much told her that I am new at this and let me know what she wanted. She said it was for me to decide. I put an envelope of money in her purse. I didn’t want to give her an envelope directly. She responded happily via Line after, saying I gave her too much. So I either did give her more money that she was used to (which I don’t think to be the case), or money wasn’t the only reason she saw me (which I hope to be the case)


More about the girl..

She’s a freaking sweet heart, whose looks is about a 7, and I don’t care.. While new to SA, she is not new to sugar dating. She is used to sugar dating older Japanese guys, where they give her an amount, and they go directly to the hotel.. She liked the fact that I took her out to dinner, coffee, dessert, and acted like a gentleman in Japan (or any average guy on a date in the rest of the world) . She liked the fact that I held her hand or let her hold my arm. And all the things that she liked, is what I was looking for in a sugar date. Something beyond the temporary p4p sessions I have been so accustomed too.

Life can be really hard in Japan with the wages for some people here… she works two jobs, sleeps little and I am glad I could have been some solace to her life, by at least seeing her eat well (and not combini food) for a couple of days..

Sex was amazing…after a bit of a rocky start.. sex was better after each time I met her.. in the second session, I joking used the tie of a yukata to wrap her hands…this lead to harder S play in my final session.. you can read more in the threads above, but sex was great and I look forward to what may come in the future.. a list of my sexual desires..


The grey area of Sugar Dating vs P4P

There is so much back and forth here on the degree/level on what level sugar dating is of p4p. It is p4p, I am not going to deny that. But with the level of time, emotions and commitment involved from both sides, it is isn’t clear cut on the percentage. What she puts into our relationship, isn’t strictly about the money. But I am pretty damn sure that if no money was involved, she would not see me. And for some girls, I am sure there is no chance they would see me.

Thus, I am understanding the ‘gray zone’ that people here discuss.

After I came back from Japan, I read a post where @Wwanderer said


- From the very beginning try to enjoy your sugar pleasures "in the moment" ONLY and avoid thinking and planning for the long term. Try to have a "Don't cry because its over; smile because it happened" attitude from the start, not just after it is over.

- Perhaps most importantly, don't expect sugaring in this style, with real feelins and connections, to be easy or free of emotional pain. Important relationships of any sort at all (and life in general for that matter) are simply not like that. The joys can and should outweigh the costs, but costs there will be.


I am trying to have this attitude with this girl. I will look back and enjoy, even if it was just for the moments in this past trip. Or, even whenever it may end.
But I do see where jealous and emotions come into play with sugaring. I am not afraid to admit that when I logged on to SA, I was not happy to see some of the potential girls (including the sugar girl) was online or logged in today. I am damn sure I am not the only guy who feels that way.


Next Steps

I am staying away from SA for now, not because I have found my ‘one’, but because of my personality (see examples of my addictive personality in another post). I could easily do this shit all day. Shit meaning meeting new girls, having good Line conversations (my Line game is pretty strong, but need improvements in finding the right Stamp quickly) and having meet and greets, dinner. It’s exciting to engage on conversation with new girls and getting that spark. But, I didn’t have a spark with the girl I found, we just ended up having good chemistry when we met. I could probably do that again. I am not in love with this girl, and have other opportunities (see a girl I met at a bar…). There were also 2 other girls, that I would like to get to know better.


The other girl..

Going in, I had the best Line conversations with another girl. She is in her late twenties, OL. We had some playful conversations, but I know she has multiple guys she is dating or dated and is experienced. I think she is really really in this for the money, gifts and likes to be spoiled. I am pretty sure most girls are like that, but for her, most definitely. She admittedly, has a princess complex. But, I was Ok with that. I find that a bit cute. She was only available to meet Sat afternoon, and she got sick. Unless she is an expert liar, I think she was telling me the truth. We still chat now.

I am not sure if I will meet her during my next visit. Will probably meet her, but her budget requirement will probably not be worth what I want to invest in.

Semi funny story. I bought her a small gift for our meeting. I obviously could not give it to her, but she said if I wanted, I could mail it her. She subsequently gave me her address. I don’t know if it is her address, but it is definitely an address to an apt building in the city she said she lived in. Be it her own, a friend, or her family, I think that’s a bit weird to give someone you have not met an address. I shake my head for multiple reasons on why she gave me an address. The cynic side of me says she really wants that gift, though it was small and she expected me to mail it (which I did not). The optimistic part of me, says she trusts me.

Alright, that’s all I have. I feel that I need to get these posts out after my trip, so I can go back to reality, and to look forward to my next trip.

Cheers.
 
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ur19877 said:
I don’t think I have enough money to be considered a sugar daddy.
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Maybe then an Aspartame Papa? :p

She responded happily via Line after, saying I gave her too much.
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So how much did you give her?

was online or logged in today. I am damn sure I am not the only guy who feels that way.
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Yeah, years ago I met this girl in a dating site. We hit it off and met regularly for a long time. Both of us knew it was not anything serious, and at the same time I was meeting other girls and I was pretty sure she was meeting other guys and I was totally fine with that. But still when I logged in to that site maybe once every six months and saw that she is active there it always irked me for some reason. Obviously never talked about it with her or acted on it or anything but also never really got rid of the feeling either. :confused:
 
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ur19877 said:
A bit of a retrospective to close out this post and my first experience with sugar dating…

From my original, post, this is what I wanted….

I wanted to try sugar dating.. Mainly because I wanted to extend my trip planning beyond P4P, sight seeing and eating.
In my ideal scenario for the next trip, I would have 4-5 short meetings to ‘gauge chemistry’ and agree on arrangements, which would lead to 2-3 long dates that would include play time. I want to date a 19-22 year kawaii type girl, late twenties to mid 30’s professional, and 40+ divorcee who is hot to trot…

While things didn’t go quite as planned from the original plan, it did go close to the plan I finalized days before my trip..here is a bit of a recap, that may be useful to others, or may be interesting…or maybe not

SA: Many (or at least a couple) have said that a lot of work is required to get 1 potential good relationship from SA. People say that SA requires a lot of time and energy, to filter girls out. I believe this is true, even though I consider myself pretty lucky. Some metrics. Around 20 initial conversations and pictures exchanged. I did say I was married, which probably did eliminate some of the girls. Probably 5 girls did not respond once they say my pics and about 5 girls I did not respond to after seeing their private pics. About 15 girls I had exchanged about 5-10 messages with. 10 girls I exchanged Line contacts with and had some conversations. 6 girls I had serious enough conversations to the point where we may meet. Planned to meet 4 girls going into to Tokyo and met 3 girls. One girl I had sex with and provided a ‘sugar’ fee. Throughout this post, I pretty much described my experiences and the girls.

Planning

A couple of good points of advice were to:

  • Move to Line quickly.
  • Setup an initial short lunch/drink to minimize risk and not to pay for it
  • Align on financial agreement before going on the sugar date.

I did 1.5 of the three with the girl I can consider my sugar baby? That is really weird to say… I don’t think I have enough money to be considered a sugar daddy. I moved to Line quickly, the short lunch/date turned into a dinner, but I didn’t provide her with any benefits for the dinner except paying for expenses. I did not align on the financial agreement with her before we had sex.

Note: Some girls did not want to chat via Line, but wanted to used What’s App. For some reason, I ended conversations with those girls. I think it is because if she wasn’t willing to give me her Line account, I didn’t want to move further.

Financials

I had three dates. One girl I had lunch and coffee with, no extra money was provided. Girl #2, had about a 6 hour date in Asakusa and Shinjuku and did not pay extra money, just meals and some refill to her train pass. She was the hottest of the girls (solid 8.5), but I knew going in that it would not lead to sex and that point (Sunday), I was pretty attracted/committed to my sugar girl and a ‘girl I met at a bar’ LOL.

Like any good TAG member should do, I read all related threads regarding the subject and I could not find a good number for the payment. Even in the thread labeled, “Going Rate for SBs in Tokyo”, I was still confused.
Unlike others here, I was not directly propositioned by the girl many times. From the small sample, I was offered dinner only for 10K and intimacy for 40K to 50K.
I expected more direct propositions, but it did not happen. No big deal.

After having sex with the girl for the first time, I pretty much told her that I am new at this and let me know what she wanted. She said it was for me to decide. I put an envelope of money in her purse. I didn’t want to give her an envelope directly. She responded happily via Line after, saying I gave her too much. So I either did give her more money that she was used to (which I don’t think to be the case), or money wasn’t the only reason she saw me (which I hope to be the case)


More about the girl..

She’s a freaking sweet heart, whose looks is about a 7, and I don’t care.. While new to SA, she is not new to sugar dating. She is used to sugar dating older Japanese guys, where they give her an amount, and they go directly to the hotel.. She liked the fact that I took her out to dinner, coffee, dessert, and acted like a gentleman in Japan (or any average guy on a date in the rest of the world) . She liked the fact that I held her hand or let her hold my arm. And all the things that she liked, is what I was looking for in a sugar date. Something beyond the temporary p4p sessions I have been so accustomed too.

Life can be really hard in Japan with the wages for some people here… she works two jobs, sleeps little and I am glad I could have been some solace to her life, by at least seeing her eat well (and not combini food) for a couple of days..

Sex was amazing…after a bit of a rocky start.. sex was better after each time I met her.. in the second session, I joking used the tie of a yukata to wrap her hands…this lead to harder S play in my final session.. you can read more in the threads above, but sex was great and I look forward to what may come in the future.. a list of my sexual desires..


The grey area of Sugar Dating vs P4P

There is so much back and forth here on the degree/level on what level sugar dating is of p4p. It is p4p, I am not going to deny that. But with the level of time, emotions and commitment involved from both sides, it is isn’t clear cut on the percentage. What she puts into our relationship, isn’t strictly about the money. But I am pretty damn sure that if no money was involved, she would not see me. And for some girls, I am sure there is no chance they would see me.

Thus, I am understanding the ‘gray zone’ that people here discuss.

After I came back from Japan, I read a post where @Wwanderer said


- From the very beginning try to enjoy your sugar pleasures "in the moment" ONLY and avoid thinking and planning for the long term. Try to have a "Don't cry because its over; smile because it happened" attitude from the start, not just after it is over.

- Perhaps most importantly, don't expect sugaring in this style, with real feelins and connections, to be easy or free of emotional pain. Important relationships of any sort at all (and life in general for that matter) are simply not like that. The joys can and should outweigh the costs, but costs there will be.


I am trying to have this attitude with this girl. I will look back and enjoy, even if it was just for the moments in this past trip. Or, even whenever it may end.
But I do see where jealous and emotions come into play with sugaring. I am not afraid to admit that when I logged on to SA, I was not happy to see some of the potential girls (including the sugar girl) was online or logged in today. I am damn sure I am not the only guy who feels that way.


Next Steps

I am staying away from SA for now, not because I have found my ‘one’, but because of my personality (see examples of my addictive personality in another post). I could easily do this shit all day. Shit meaning meeting new girls, having good Line conversations (my Line game is pretty strong, but need improvements in finding the right Stamp quickly) and having meet and greets, dinner. It’s exciting to engage on conversation with new girls and getting that spark. But, I didn’t have a spark with the girl I found, we just ended up having good chemistry when we met. I could probably do that again. I am not in love with this girl, and have other opportunities (see a girl I met at a bar…). There were also 2 other girls, that I would like to get to know better.


The other girl..

Going in, I had the best Line conversations with another girl. She is in her late twenties, OL. We had some playful conversations, but I know she has multiple guys she is dating or dated and is experienced. I think she is really really in this for the money, gifts and likes to be spoiled. I am pretty sure most girls are like that, but for her, most definitely. She admittedly, has a princess complex. But, I was Ok with that. I find that a bit cute. She was only available to meet Sat afternoon, and she got sick. Unless she is an expert liar, I think she was telling me the truth. We still chat now.

I am not sure if I will meet her during my next visit. Will probably meet her, but her budget requirement will probably not be worth what I want to invest in.

Semi funny story. I bought her a small gift for our meeting. I obviously could not give it to her, but she said if I wanted, I could mail it her. She subsequently gave me her address. I don’t know if it is her address, but it is definitely an address to an apt building in the city she said she lived in. Be it her own, a friend, or her family, I think that’s a bit weird to give someone you have not met an address. I shake my head for multiple reasons on why she gave me an address. The cynic side of me says she really wants that gift, though it was small and she expected me to mail it (which I did not). The optimistic part of me, says she trusts me.

Alright, that’s all I have. I feel that I need to get these posts out after my trip, so I can go back to reality, and to look forward to my next trip.

Cheers.
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Thanks for your very detailed feedback , a lot resonated with me. The problem is that you may find now standard P4P pales in comparison (too predictable, short, mostly sexual despite the GFE claims) .
Dont let it fool you that it’s a « normal » relationship either though. The jealousy thing is a litmus test: if you feel jealousy then indeed take a step back because that’s THE feeling you can’t afford to have here.
 
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ur19877 said:
and acted like a gentleman in Japan (or any average guy on a date in the rest of the world) .
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Just my personal experience but Japanese guys have treated me most gentlemenly of all guys.
I have to admit American guys can be good at it as well.
But back in Europe i noticed nothing of so called "continental manners".
 
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Just my personal experience but Japanese guys have treated me most gentlemenly of all guys.
I have to admit American guys can be good at it as well.
But back in Europe i noticed nothing of so called "continental manners".
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I love this kind of feedback.
 
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Frenchy said:
Yeah well I guess if I had a French wife she would probably kill me too if I said I sang God Saves the Queen (and just shrugg off the meaningless action before that :D)
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It's "save" not "saves" - a rare use of the subjonctif. The difference might be indistinguishable to the ear of a Frenchy, because of the the unfamiliar voiced dental fricative ("th" sound) that follows the verb. But if you could get it right, your French wife might be impressed by your deft tongue-work, while appalled by your sang impur.
 
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It's "save" not "saves" - a rare use of the subjonctif. The difference might be indistinguishable to the ear of a Frenchy, because of the the unfamiliar voiced dental fricative ("th" sound) that follows the verb. But if you could get it right, your French wife might be impressed by your deft tongue-work, while appalled by your sang impur.
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Ah ah, merci Monsieur ! :)
(But why and from whom does she need to be saved anyway? Never understood that)
 
ur19877 said:
But I do see where jealous and emotions come into play with sugaring. I am not afraid to admit that when I logged on to SA, I was not happy to see some of the potential girls (including the sugar girl) was online or logged in today. I am damn sure I am not the only guy who feels that way.
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I feel that way, too. In theory I cannot agree more with Frenchy's comment

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Dont let it fool you that it’s a « normal » relationship either though. The jealousy thing is a litmus test: if you feel jealousy then indeed take a step back because that’s THE feeling you can’t afford to have here.
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but in reality I'm not sure. Luckily so far I've been able to end sugar relationships without much emotional upset.

I really appreciate the OP's meticulous reporting. Thank you.
 
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Frenchy said:
Ah ah, merci Monsieur ! :)
(But why and from whom does she need to be saved anyway? Never understood that)
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She needs to be saved from a husband who wants to sing her a song impur.
 
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over the weekend I got a glimpse of what it would be like without the girl I am sugar dating..
she was pretty depressed and self defeating and I tried to cheer her up with encouragement..
that didn't work out so well... she told me she doesn't want to live...and to leave her alone.. and poof, no contact for two days..

2 days later, she apologized and we are OK again...

I got a glimpse at two things..
1. She's got some issues and things could get volatile at any time.. I shouldn't be surprised if she just vanishes without a trace..
2. There is enough emotional attachment there where when things do end... it won't be as easy as the check out at a love hotel...
 
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2. There is enough emotional attachment there where when things do end... it won't be as easy as the check out at a love hotel...
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Well, would it be as good as it is if there was no emotional attachment?

Just make sure you know it will end someday, and that it will hurt, and that you will not become one of those stalkers you read in the papers and it will all be good.
 
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Well, would it be as good as it is if there was no emotional attachment?

Just make sure you know it will end someday, and that it will hurt, and that you will not become one of those stalkers you read in the papers and it will all be good.
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Haha...yeah.. I would not go that far ..and the distance helps me keep that in check..
plus the multiple alternatives out there...
 
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Thanks @ur19877 for your detailed post and listing of experience... Sugar dating in Japan is similar to other parts of the world generally speaking, but also unique to Japan in many ways... I know that sounds a bit contradictory, but hope it makes sense.

I use UC and last year did not make a single setting...( have SA as well but not a paying member - it hasn't convinced me yet :D). just didn't see anything that met my criteria (looks, price, type of date, etc) I still renewed my membership and even upgraded one class to see what that would get me. It opened up "selfies" that the girls upload themselves. I really like this feature because selfies can let you see more of what the girl is like (kawaii type - which to me means "child-like", full of themselves, or other...) if there is a bikini pic, then I think that is bonus because you get to see the body type for sure and not have to rely on poorly taken pics sometimes... enough on that tho...

I made a setting and met a girl yesterday... went for afternoon tea - a simple and open option (IMO) to be able to have a chat and get to know them better. She seemed relaxed enough to tell me "her story".... which was good to hear. Seems I'm a magnet for "sick mothers" past few sugar arrangements, the sugar baby had a sick mother... it pulls at your heart strings (assuming you are human :rolleyes:) and it's a great strategy for the sugar baby - always an excuse on why they can't meet or why they are late, or why they need more cash... ingenious actually if you think of the dynamics... Anyway, towards the end of our tea time, I was direct and straight and asked her.. Why she joined UC... and then said for Sugar Daddy and Cash ? she answered YES... so then I asked so how much cash are you looking for ? she said hmmm I'm not sure.. I then asked you want monthly allowance or per meet payment... she was not sure... I advised her to think about it but she would need to let me know. I apologized for being so direct and said I was not trying to be rude, but that if both our expectations are too far apart, then we need to know that up front. I paid her a 20,000JPY transport fee along with a Passmo card with 2,000JPY on it... I added an extra 10,000JPY on the transport fee out of generosity, because she looks better than her pics and she seems to have her act together. I like girls that are not flakes :D She is also ultimate spinner (145cm 35kg) I'm 195cm (won't state the kg's :p)

I asked if she wanted to see me again and she advised yes, so we exchanged LINE deets and she wanted to go towards Whatsapp, but I said LINE was better. IMO I think they like Whatsapp better because it does not flash a big icon when a new message comes across (just my guess really)..

After we parted I thanked her again, confirmed I enjoyed the time with her and looked forward to seeing her when my travel schedule permits. (all thru LINE) and she reciprocated in her replies and said "so so glad to meet and I made her day" which is nice... I asked her how I made her day, but no direct answer.. It's like there is a class for how they can not answer direct questions... I know I'm detailed and I expect the same level (just my issue)...:( Then she send a "good night" msg and says she does not know about schedule bcuz friend coming to Japan and has to schedule medical stuff with her mum (See I said it was a great strategy :p)

Anyway... will see how it goes... I hope this one works out, but if it doesn't then no big deal... Sugar dating is about the meet, chemistry, getting to know another person and sugar (if it's there) but I always know.... easy come....easy go....

Sorry this was sooooo long... I guess maybe it should be in a UC post, but ...... I'm sure TAG Moderator will move if needed :D

To be Continues......

Comments, feedback welcomed.....
 
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Mike reading the post: "yeah yeah yeah, doesn't sound like I would enjoy these sites". And then:

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She is also ultimate spinner (145cm 35kg)
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Hell yeah, where do I sign?
 
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New here, just wanted to say I'm learning a things I with I knew when I started on SA.
 
My update from this trip... aka Japanese Flag girl..

She is changing careers and is working in the day and going to school at night. Her schedule is pretty busy and we couldn't really meet too much heading into this trip. OK, that's fine. We were going to meet 1/2 day on Sat and all day on Sunday...

She said she might have time meet late Thursday night, but the DH girl that I had surprise FS (see below) with was available and I blew her off....even though we had nothing set in stone...
https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/ever-had-surprise-full-service.17971/#post-156945

Japanese flag girl went a bit crazy in our Line exchanges and at that point I also dropped in, "Oh yeah, sorry, but I can't meet on Saturday because of work". She did not take that well, saying yada yada, "have a good time in Tokyo, I hope you find another sweet sugar baby".

So I know this relationship is done. After rereading this thread, I think I actually fucked up a bit. While I think this girl is out of line with her behavior, from an objective point, I should have picked her over the two girls.

Two girls? I am not working on Saturday, but I am extending a date with "The girl I met from a bar.." https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/about-a-girl-i-met-at-a-bar.18034/#post-157148

I know that I am not having sex with this girl, I just wanted to have another good night of dinner and drinks with her...
But I didn't think it would cost me the relationship with the Japanese Flag girl..

This girl has some pride and a chip on her shoulder... we message each other multiple times a day since Jan and she can't get over the fact that I have to work? Maybe she doesn't believe, but that's a whole other set of issues..I am not going to beg for forgiveness....

But freak....sexually, she was the holy grail that I was been searching for and I couldn't keep it.. I knew our relationship would not last for long, but I wanted at least another couple of more sessions...

freak oh well... on the next one..
 
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So funny story...with plans with the Japanese Flag girl out the window, I was making my Sunday plans... get a Line message from a girl from SA that I connected in January but did not meet.
she was free Sunday, and boom. We set on arrangement of $300 for lunch and intimacy, with a clause that I could back out if I wanted.

She was 6.5 on looks, mid 30's, but a cute face.
Simple lunch, and it was off to the races in my hotel room.. while not a total sexual freak like the Japan flag girl, she was a bit of an M, who was responsive to my S tendencies...
very pleasant surprise!
I am pretty sure she was a pro at some point... her service pretty much followed standard DH Standard Operating Procedure, except the FS part..

At least I think I have my sex with a M type girl option back into play...and that deserves a high 5.

Dating (Sugar or not) never fails to surprise me in Tokyo...
 
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