Being Outed

They are in a business that does not reward trust. They demand cash up front. Most do not base their business on developing repeat customers.
To some degree this business does reward trust and repeating.

Let's say without a bit of trust built through previous repeats, one of providers I met last month would have never agreed to be hand-cuffed, blindfolded, anal-plugged and facefucked at no extra cost...and no the cash was not paid upfront.
 
Maybe we misunderstood each other. It is surely possible to identify a culprit who is careless and very likely it won't be possible if the culprit takes precautions to stay anonymous. h
for a client to run into a provider who he knows has outed others before is mostly hypothetical, unless the provider makes this information very obvious. Maybe some people here run some very in-depth background checks, but I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't find out.
Thanks for replying in a mature manner, I appreciate that.
 
You can’t just meet them without giving them your employment verification.
There are platforms there that deal with screening without collecting personal info.

There are more than enough talents among such platforms for me that I personally don't need to make the effort and date any other providers that specifically ask for job certification.
 
To some degree this business does reward trust and repeating.

Let's say without a bit of trust built through previous repeats, one of providers I met last month would have never agreed to be hand-cuffed, blindfolded, anal-plugged and facefucked at no extra cost...and no the cash was not paid upfront.
Yes I covered this. I said there are exceptions and I said that most sex workers don’t aim for repeats. Some do. Most don’t. There are exceptions to everything. No need to point it out.
 
To the OP's original question, No, I will not if I know what she has done.

I believe trust so important to have good enjoyable sex, at least for me. I see TAG reviews useful for screening. Before I read a TAG review, I'd never even thought of seeing an independent escort because I was so afraid of a risk of being blackmailed etc....yes, I had my share of paranoia. As a reader, I read reviews for the only one purpose - to see if it is safe to see this girl or not, and nothing else. As far as TAG indies are concerned, I believe all of them are trustable and I'm looking forward to my next visit to Japan...
 
As far as TAG indies are concerned, I believe all of them are trustable and I'm looking forward to my next visit to Japan...
And thus why we have a strict(er) screening process for allowing people to do business through TAG.
I get all sorts of complaints that we're too strict and heavy handed... well... it's for a good reason. ;)
 
"Would you still meet a provider and feel safe if she was notorious for outing other women?"
Absolutely not. She could out anyone including clients
 
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Seems to me the culprits doing the "outing " need to be outed for what they have done or been doing . An "eye for an eye " mentality ...
Those of us who treat people with a common courtesy are not that common anymore it seems ..

When you keep secrets you automatically provide leverage to those potential people that will try to use it .. Aka "scumbag "
 
Would calling out an independent girl that she used to work for a shop counted as "being outed" ?
Not really. It's public knowledge - people have tried to hide where they were before, but it's really impossible. Anyone going from a shop to independent status has this risk and that's something they have to accept.
 
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Not really. It's public knowledge - people have tried to hide where they were before, but it's really impossible. Anyone going from a shop to independent status has this risk and that's something they have to accept.

Is calling her out acceptable? Especially when
she is charging more than when she was working for the shop?
 
I was thinking about this topic lately.
Would calling out an independent girl that she used to work for a shop counted as "being outed" ? I have seen it happens and I feel it is in the same category of "being outed"

Well unfortunately sometimes it counts as being outed...

Why would a girl who is already doing well suddenly disappear from the adult scene? Sometimes it’s because there is a client who is obsessed with her and won’t leave her alone... at least indies can ignore or block people, but these people still change their email address to contact us.

Imagine she is a shop girl and a guy already knows the area she’s working at. Unfortunately this happens and the girl has to disappear or change shops.

And when some other client finds her at the new shop & spread the news online, the stalker can have access to this information...
 
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Is calling her out acceptable? Especially when
she is charging more than when she was working for the shop?
It would be a rather douchebag thing to do, don’t you think? Indies take more risk, and bear all the expenses of advertisement and promotion themselves. Generally, that means they charge more than agencies.
 
Well, this is a place to exchange information about providers and services. If let's say a girl from jk style decides to go independent, that's relevant information. If an independent here in Tokyo worked in some club in Manila 10years ago, it's probably not.
If by calling out you mean blaming her for higher rates ... That's totally her business. It either stays within my budget or it doesn't. Neither is she entitled to receive business from me, nor am I entitled to receive service from her at a certain price point. All kind of services adjust their prices without my consent;)
 
Especially when she is charging more than when she was working for the shop?
Why is this relevant at all? Independent scene =/= Shop Service, it's a different business system. If you don't agree, don't pay...
Independents do all of their own work for ads, communication management, etc. It is a more expensive burden to be on your own than working for a group.
 
There are ample theoretical situations where outing a service provider would be justified. Maybe you are sure the person has HIV but doesn’t seem to care. You tried to get them to stop seeing customers but they wouldn’t. Or maybe they are stealing money from customers wallets while they are in the shower. Actually neither of these is really theoretical as they happen all the time. In either case, wouldn’t outing be a morally good choice if you thought it would reduce the harm? So outing in and of itself is not a bad thing. It is only bad when it is done to harm someone even though they don’t deserve it. Indeed this seems to happen a lot. My personal opinion is that if you put your face on the internet and offer a service that you would like to keep anonymous, you are taking a very big risk. You might get outed somehow even though you have done nothing wrong. But as they say, thems the breaks. In response to this unfortunate reality, though, to make an inclusive statement that all outing is immoral, is, in my humble opinion incorrect.
 
So outing in and of itself is not a bad thing.
most things, if you remove all context, aren't intrinsically bad.

anyway, I think 'outing' implies you are intentionally releasing personal info of someone that didn't want that info released and is innocent of any significant wrongdoing.

In the examples you gave, I wouldn't call that 'outing' more like 'reporting an actual crime'. so I think its a bit different.
 
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most things, if you remove all context, aren't intrinsically bad.

anyway, I think 'outing' implies you are intentionally releasing personal info of someone that didn't want that info released and is innocent of any significant wrongdoing.

In the examples you gave, I wouldn't call that 'outing' more like 'reporting an actual crime'. so I think its a bit different.
Gay sex and prosititution are crimes in most of the world. Your outing is another mans crime reporting.
 
Gay sex and prosititution are crimes in most of the world. Your outing is another mans crime reporting.

Hmmm, good point. I thought my point was quite good but you ruined it with a reasonable and accurate response. Im now re-thinking my standpoint on this.

Just kidding

Lets get into a long and boring off-topic argument about what ‘most of the world’ means even though I know that isnt actually crucial to to the point you made.
 
I'll just say, snitches get stitches.. but not saying that I would, do things that would get someone to have stitches.

I think this industry has always been a 2-way street in terms of trust like everyone else said.. Whenever I meet a new provider I get worried about the trail, and I'm sure providers get worried about it sometimes with new clients. If someone ever ratted me out I think I'm gonna get a 1 way ticket to a brand new country and never come back lol
 
No I don’t. There was actually a USA girl who did carelessly text people doxxing others. After many people came out with the receipts, her intentions were exposed.


This sounds familiar. There was a girl who group text all her clients LOL and doxxed a bunch of men.
 
Well unfortunately sometimes it counts as being outed...

Why would a girl who is already doing well suddenly disappear from the adult scene? Sometimes it’s because there is a client who is obsessed with her and won’t leave her alone... at least indies can ignore or block people, but these people still change their email address to contact us.

Imagine she is a shop girl and a guy already knows the area she’s working at. Unfortunately this happens and the girl has to disappear or change shops.

And when some other client finds her at the new shop & spread the news online, the stalker can have access to this information...

My reply might be a little bit on the late side, anyway here we go.

Japanese shops, deli-health, generally do look after their staff.

Last year a girl told me that she was being followed and lightly stalked by a Japanese guy. He wanted her to perform on top of a building, in the open air (supposedly also for free ) with him. She refused but he did not relent (this pattern repeated a few times ) until when she got fed up and told the store people. They effectively blocked him to the point that he started asking for her at the shop wearing sunglasses, mask, hat (at night ) to avoid being recognized. Of course they sent him away. He also started to loiter close to the shop door, so to catch her when going out/in from/to the waiting room. The shop people began to escort her where possible, especially after work when going home.
At the time it seemed to work.


Right now she isn't at the shop anymore, so cannot update.

Half of a laugh for the guy's stupidity but creepy all the way. She was very happy with the shop people handling of the matter.

Cheers