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The death rate is so incredibly low, and emerging diseases like this happen relatively often, I just can’t understand personally why the entire world is panicking?

I also was a bit puzzled about that in the beginning, but if you look at the numbers in detail it becomes clear. Usually media only speaks about the amount of infected and the amount of dead. Because it's around 1-2% it seems not that different from other virus infections like the flue. The problem is that in china alone you have 10.000+ people in serious/critical condition. That means they need intense treatment, maybe artificial respiration. That makes treatment very complicated and no medical system is prepared for something like that. If a country has a certain amount of infected it just isn't able to treat them properly anymore. I think that's also the reason why mortality rate in Wuhan is higher than in regions with less cases....there just are not enough hospital beds / staff for proper treatment and the rate goes up.

I think that's the main reason why most countries are so scared. China was in no way able to get it under control despite proper infrastructure and a pretty forceful government.....i think it's easy to imagine what would happen in economically less successful countries that have a much worse medical system.
 
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You should check your dictionary; pessimism and fearmongering are in completely different pages.
Thank you for expanding my limited English volcabulary.

And yes, fearmongering is the more accurate word.

I personally do believe that a healthy dosage of fear is helpful to keep people vigilant.

Especially in Japan where many citizens are still too fearless:

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You're not a pessimist, you're a fearmongering jerkoff who appears to get some kind of kick posting half truths and rumours, along with unfounded speculation.
Like we have tried before, why not just point out those of my claims and data that you think is half true or rumorous? I am happy to verify with further supportive sources.
 
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Especially in Japan where many citizens are still too fearless:

Yeah, our combined apologies from the whole population of Japan to you for not stopping our lives and staying indoors while peeing our pants for fear.
 
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The death rate is so incredibly low, and emerging diseases like this happen relatively often, I just can’t understand personally why the entire world is panicking?
Media? Is it not always the case?
 
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I also was a bit puzzled about that in the beginning, but if you look at the numbers in detail it becomes clear. Usually media only speaks about the amount of infected and the amount of dead. Because it's around 1-2% it seems not that different from other virus infections like the flue. The problem is that in china alone you have 10.000+ people in serious/critical condition. That means they need intense treatment, maybe artificial respiration. That makes treatment very complicated and no medical system is prepared for something like that. If a country has a certain amount of infected it just isn't able to treat them properly anymore. I think that's also the reason why mortality rate in Wuhan is higher than in regions with less cases....there just are not enough hospital beds / staff for proper treatment and the rate goes up.

I think that's the main reason why most countries are so scared. China was in no way able to get it under control despite proper infrastructure and a pretty forceful government.....i think it's easy to imagine what would happen in economically less successful countries that have a much worse medical system.
Panicking public will creates unnecessary burdens to the health care system and economic too. Which in turn case more deaths from all diseases, not only from this new virus.

Governments and media should start to calm people. This is what will help in situation like this. Just keep calm and carry on...
 
Like we have tried before, why not just point out those of my claims and data that you think is half true or rumorous? I am happy to verify with further supportive sources.
Well, i did ask you to give a source for the sobu line comment and youve kind of ignored that.....
 
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Well, i did ask you to give a source for the sobu line comment and youve kind of ignored that.....

I bet he has a very reliable source but just cannot disclose it. Meanwhile we others must rely on this anonymous guy who claims to be the infected person.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/itsoku/archives/56425882.html

I mean this is almost as reliable as an anonymous youtube video so I am sold. Now let's panic! The winter is coming!

Hold on, that was another show. My bad.
 
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The death rate is so incredibly low, and emerging diseases like this happen relatively often, I just can’t understand personally why the entire world is panicking?
There are a few reasons why the current one is more serious than a few others in the past.

a, its R0 is very high. It's 2.2 as of Feb. 12th in China (source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.10.20021675v1.full.pdf+html), and that's after they enforced the strictest nationwide travel ban and isolation measures in modern history for 3 weeks; It used to be 3.77 as of Jan. 26th, when they already started to take the same protocol of isolations as SARS; It's estimated to be higher than 6 before the affected cities locked down by Jan. 23rd.

In comparison, the R0 of SARS was 2.6 when completedly uncontrolled, and was 0.49 when isolation measures were taken (source: WHO).

b, it's sly. It's transmissable via air droplets, direct contact, air (limited cases), from mother to child (limited cases), and possibly fecal oral as well (virus has been detected in the stool, but no cases reported yet). Some of the transmissions are asymptomatic. It takes as long as 24 days for a patient to show symptoms (source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.06.20020974v1). or he/she could even be asymptomatic throughout.

The following is the recent cluster infection happened in Tokyo. Their contacts took place on Jan. 18th, but 6 out of 7 confirmed cases are still asymptomatic up to today.

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c, although the overall fatality rate is low, it's very dependent on age group. I don't have the CFR of NCP per age group on a large sample size now, but in the case of SARS, older patients had about 9 times higher fatality rate (source: WHO).

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d, curing the NCP consumes huge amount of medical resources. According to this JAMA paper (source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044#figure-table-tab), the median length of hospitalisation was 10 days, and 25.5% of the patients ended up in ICU.

e, when the medical resources run out, fatality rate no longer remains low. There is a sharp contrast between Wuhan and the rest of China (and also the rest of the world). In Wuhan, the fatality rate by Feb. 14th was 4.25%, in the rest of China it's 0.29% (source: http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/222002/4a6llbc7fa20411Ibrlc8084426c0d4.shtmL), while in the rest of the world, it's 0.25% (source: WHO).

Other dreadful things are also likely to happen when the medical system is broken, such as higher ratio of nosocomial infection, higher ratio of cluster infection, and large number of death without medical intervention (for this part I don't have any source as of now, just my common sense).

f, 4.25% sounds not particularly high...but to some individual, death might not be the worst outcome. Survival with a broken lung (and sometimes broken bones) might be. About 20% hospitalised patients suffered from ARDS, and about 45% of them received glucocorticoid pulses (source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044#figure-table-tab). According to the experience of SARS, those survivors are likely to have something very wrong with their lungs and bones for a long time (source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5).

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Well, i did ask you to give a source for the sobu line comment and youve kind of ignored that.....
My apologies. I didn't really know for sure it's Sobu line.

It's just my speculation based on the information that he lived in Chiba and worked at 日本生命三田ビル.

There's not many alternative routes anyway.

And personally I believe which line he was taking doesn't make much difference...his destination is Sengakuji (again, I don't know for sure; it's just the station closest to 日本生命三田ビル). He was sharing the compartment with a lot of people whichever line he took.
 
Yeah, our combined apologies from the whole population of Japan to you for not stopping our lives and staying indoors while peeing our pants for fear.
This actually is the best way to contain an pandemic.

Well I mean the part of staying indoors, not the part of apologies to me or peeing pants.
 
Agree that is time to be careful and a bit skeptical too. But we should also be careful of making obvious mistakes in logic, jumping to conclusions and deliberately trying to foment panic. What you have written is a simple classic false comparison of irrelevant facts. Yes there was a point in time when there was a report of 41 cases in Hubei, and now there are 41 cases in Japan. Wuuuuuuu.....Would you like us all to get goose bumps now like you are Sherlock Holmes who has uncovered a brilliant clue that we all missed? So what? Hubei was the starting point. Everyone knows that the virus had been spread far and wide long before the Chinese had their testing infrastructure up and running. There is no comparison to that situation and the current situation in Japan where we have been watching since the first cases. Zero.

You are right, except for one minor point though...

Wuhan CDC noticed this new virus from around Dec 17th, 2019.

By Jan. 16th 2020 they already had their testing infrastructure up and running.

They were able to process around 200 PCR kits per day in Wuhan alone by Jan.16th (source: http://wjw.wuhan.gov.cn/front/web/showDetail/2020012309114), and probably more in Hubei province (don't have any source on this one).

While Japan declared they could process 300 kits per day before Feb. 18th nationwide, and 1,000 kits per day afterwards.
 
This actually is the best way to contain an pandemic.

Well I mean the part of staying indoors, not the part of apologies to me or peeing pants.
Arrogant much?
 
This actually is the best way to contain an pandemic.

Well I mean the part of staying indoors, not the part of apologies to me or peeing pants.
 

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Ok, here’s a good and balanced article based entirely on fact and not on rumour or embellishment/misinterpretation of data.

https://khn.org/news/facts-vs-fears-five-things-to-help-weigh-your-coronavirus-risk/

The news about the novel coronavirus in China grows more urgent daily. The number of related deaths is now greater than 1,300, while tens of thousands of people have been infected — most of them in China. People returning to the U.S. from China are quarantined for 14 days. It can be frightening to think about the threat, but public health officials in this country constantly remind people that the risk of the disease here is low.

Still, scientists have more questions than answers about important issues surrounding the coronavirus, now officially named COVID-19. Here’s some help in understanding the unknowns and evaluating the risks.

More than 1,300 people have died from this virus since December. That sounds pretty scary. Should I be worried?

All but two of those fatalities occurred in China, where the virus emerged. That country has reported the lion’s share of cases, said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine, health policy and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

The 15 Americans identified so far with the disease had recently been in China or had close contact with someone who became infected in China. In addition, public health officials report that many of the U.S. cases have been relatively mild infections.

The number of deaths in China is startling, but remember, even a virus with a low fatality rate can kill many people if the number of infections is large. For example, influenza kills 0.14% of infected patients, said Dr. Peter Hotez, a professor of pediatrics, molecular virology and microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. But because the flu is so common — infecting up to 45 million Americans a season — deaths could climb as high as 61,000 people each flu season just in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But the statistics coming out of China are also suspect, and experts don’t yet know how to evaluate them. For example, Chinese officials Thursday suddenly changed their criteria for confirming the disease and added more than 15,000 cases to the patient tally — after two days of reporting a downturn in the number of people affected.

To be sure, it is often difficult to get a good assessment of cases while using most of your public health resources to fight an outbreak.

The number of coronavirus cases may be much higher than China is reporting, said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on Public Health Law & Human Rights. That may not be a deliberate effort to downplay the outbreak but could signal problems “with China’s capacity for testing and surveillance,” he said. “They are just not picking up all the cases and deaths. An even greater problem is that there is no independent verification.”

The World Health Organization “is relying on data from China and has no ability at present to independently verify those data,” Gostin said. That could change, he added, if WHO experts are allowed into the center of the outbreak, the city of Wuhan in Hubei province. “But I have significant concerns that even then [WHO] won’t have access to full information,” he said.

What is the mortality rate from this virus?

News reports and health officials have reported widely varied estimates of death rates for this outbreak. Schaffner cautions that calculating those numbers in a fast-moving outbreak is difficult.

Mortality rates are determined by dividing the number of deaths by the number of infections. While counting the dead is generally straightforward, it can be impossible to find the total number of infections because some people with the virus develop few noticeable symptoms. Since COVID-19 is new, doctors don’t know what percentage of infections fall into this category, Schaffner said.

It’s not surprising that mortality rates for the coronavirus vary dramatically, based on where diagnoses were made, Schaffner said. For example, a report Monday from the Imperial College of London found a mortality rate of 18% for cases detected in Hubei, where only patients with unusual pneumonia or severe breathing problems were being tested for the virus. Outside China, health officials test anyone with a cough and fever who has visited Hubei — a much larger number — producing a mortality rate of 1.2% to 5.6%.

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(Hannah Norman/KHN Illustration; Getty Images)

How is the virus spreading? Do you need to worry only about people sneezing next to you?

The rapid spread of the coronavirus suggests it is transmitted person-to-person, much like influenza: An infected person coughs out moist droplets containing the virus and another person breathes them in, said Schaffner.

Because the moist droplets fall to the ground within 3 to 6 feet, patients are most likely to infect people with whom they are in close contact. These droplets can also land on surfaces, such as door handles, and infect other people who touch the contaminated surface, then touch their mouth or eyes.

It’s much less common for viruses to spread through so-called airborne transmission, in which viruses float in the air for a long time, like measles or chickenpox, said Hotez.

The diagnosis this week of a woman who lived in a Hong Kong apartment with an unsealed pipe raised the question of whether COVID-19 may have been transmitted through the building’s plumbing. A 2003 outbreak of SARS — or severe acute respiratory syndrome, caused by another type of coronavirus ― is believed to have infected 321 residents of the Amoy Gardens apartment complex in Hong Kong because the virus may have spread through a plume of warm air that traveled through the pipes.

While the Amoy Gardens outbreak was striking, experts believe it was a one-time phenomenon. No one has found another example of a coronavirus spreading through plumbing, said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy.

Anecdotal reports that patients without symptoms can spread COVID-19 have been widely publicized. But scientists have not confirmed such transmissions, said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore. Other coronaviruses, such as SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome, have not been shown to spread in patients without symptoms.

A report from Germany, published this year in the New England Journal of Medicine, pointing to a case in which someone was infected by an asymptomatic person “has been shown to be inaccurate” because the primary patient “did have symptoms at the time she spread the virus,” he said. She had taken medication to reduce her fever.

I read about one man who infected nearly a dozen people as he traveled in Europe. Some articles call him a “super spreader.” Can people transmit the virus so easily?

So-called super spreaders are people who infect a larger-than-average number of people.

While some people with coronavirus never infect anyone else, others infect dozens. In 2003, a Hong Kong SARS patient infected 136 people at one hospital. As a general rule, health officials estimate that 20% of people with a given infectious disease cause roughly 80% of the cases, Hotez said.

Although it’s not known how large a role super spreaders are playing in the COVID-19 outbreak, anecdotes have dotted the press. A British man, for example, is believed to have infected 11 others at a French ski resort.

Scientists don’t know why some people are more contagious than others, Hotez said. It’s possible that these people have a higher viral load and “shed” more of the virus when they cough or sneeze. Scientists don’t know if personal habits also come into play. For example, do these patients cough more vigorously than others? Do they socialize more? Are they more apt to touch objects or other people?

People are being quarantined on military bases and cruise ships. Does that work?

Quarantines have been used since the 14th century, when cities such as Venice ordered ships to remain at anchor for 40 days before landing as a way to prevent the spread of the plague. The word “quarantine” comes from the Italian word for 40.

But quarantines are effective only when they’re limited and based on good scientific evidence, Gostin said.

The two-week quarantines that U.S. officials have imposed on people evacuating Wuhan — who had a high risk of being exposed to the virus — make sense, he suggested, because people aren’t being housed together. Evacuees are protected from exposure to the virus and prevented from transmitting it to others, Gostin said.

The quarantines imposed in China on major cities and a Japanese cruise ship aren’t effective, Gostin said.

“They are overbroad and under conditions that could fuel the epidemic,” said Gostin, who is also faculty director at Georgetown University’s O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law. “People are being forced to remain in close, congested conditions, so they are likely to spread infection among themselves.”

Forcing passengers on a cruise ship to remain in their cabins for two weeks “is a cruel human experiment,” Osterholm said. “They should be released as soon as possible. We’re just facilitating transmission” on the ship.

Passengers should be asked to “shelter in place” at home for two weeks instead, he added.

“Most people will comply,” Osterholm said.
 
Government announced we are in a new phase of the virus. Meanwhile in HK:
Coronavirus: Armed robbers steal hundreds of toilet rolls in Hong Kong
 
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In cases like that is "most" really enough?

“Most people will comply,” Osterholm said.

Most people ... ;)

Yes, actually, it is sufficient for most people to comply.

Let's say we have 100 infected people who are quarantined, and the virus has a periodic R0 of 2.2.

If none of them are quarantined, there will be 220 infected people in the next round, maintaining the periodic R0 of 2.2..

If 80% of them obey self quarantine, there will only by 44 cases, for a periodic R0 of 0.44.

If the R0 drops below 1, the epidemic will burn out.

So yes, all you need is most people to cooperate.
 
Small consolation that is to those 44 people.

And you think the people that wouldn't obey a voluntary quarantine would obey a mandatory one? So yeah, most really is enough. You're not going to do much better by requiring it.
 
Small consolation that is to those 44 people. (And at the 2-2.5% preliminary mortality figure, the one dead one)

Well, quite big consolation actually; much more room at the hospital and more personnel taking care of you. Moreover almost 40 of them wouldn't even know they have the virus; some have no symptoms and some have mild flu.
 
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