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Daily WHO Reports for the Coronavirus Outbreak (Link)

Obviously it's a complex topic with more than just a singular reason, but the reports from Italy very much mirror those from Wuhan.

Indeed, and we probably know better only after year or two.

The problem trying to decipher the situation now is I don't believe any of the numbers coming anywhere. First the number of infected depends on who gets tested and secondly the way they report, or not, the deaths varies greatly by country.

The most reliable data we have to date is from Diamond Princess where basically everyone got tested, sick treated well and the rate of death was 1%. And that is from a pretty old group of people.
 
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Anyone know the details of the new restrictions for people coming over from the States? Some reports say self quarantine and other reports say place decided by quarantine office. Got a kid coming back from university later this week and wife thinks he’ll be put in some quarantine facility for a couple of weeks. I’m pretty sure it’s just a self quarantine at home though since he has Japanese citizenship.
 
Anyone know the details of the new restrictions for people coming over from the States? Some reports say self quarantine and other reports say place decided by quarantine office. Got a kid coming back from university later this week and wife thinks he’ll be put in some quarantine facility for a couple of weeks. I’m pretty sure it’s just a self quarantine at home though since he has Japanese citizenship.

I checked last Friday and then they said that from Saturday it is going to be 2 weeks self quarantine from everyone coming from Europe regardless of nationality; from US it was still free to come as you wish.
 
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I checked last Friday and then they said that from Saturday it is going to be 2 weeks self quarantine from everyone coming from Europe regardless of nationality; from US it was still free to come as you wish.

Apparently this was announced today and goes into effect from the 26th. It’s been reported in various news outlets but conflicting reports between self quarantine and government designated quarantine. I’ve checked all the websites like Kosei Rodosho and Gaimusho but no updates on this yet.
 
Also there have been claims the Italians are registering every death by pneumonia as corona deaths, even for the patients in hospice care.
that is interesting, I wonder why they would do that?
 
this yahoo article actual says need to stay at hotel or government designated place. But most of the English articles and some Japanese say self quarantine 自宅待機.

For people coming from Europe they said it's self quarantine, so I would easily guess anyone with Japanese citizenship and home to go would be ordered to go to self quarantine.

Though they will need to go through a lot of paperwork to enter the country and you need to pick them up from the airport as public transportation is not allowed.
 
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Unlike some other governments, I Japan does not have the legal framework to properly locked down in city at the municipal or national level. All they can do is request people to cooperate.

Cop: ご協力お願いします
Me: いやだな
 
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Cop: ご協力お願いします
Me: いやだな
Oh fuck it ... lets all die but happily at least
Apocalypse Orgie at 9259 financed by your favorite French guy
Date and time will be announced later
Participants should all guaranty they have it (test results from a reputable hospital required at entrance)
 
In Italy on the other hand you have almost 1 in 10 of the infected cases ending up dead.

In Italy it's running rampant in the most popular retirement area with the highest national average age.

We'll see the same thing in the US in south Florida soon, I expect.
 
Germany also has super low numbers of death so far, 94 atm and 20 or 25 stem from a cluster where someone decided to bring the bug to an elderly home full of 80+ year olds in poor physical condition.

In Italy on the other hand you have almost 1 in 10 of the infected cases ending up dead.

The death rate in Germany atm is about 0.3%, while Japan, UK, France, Spain hover around 4-6%. Even Korea, who very widely tested, are at about 1.2%. Germany has about the same number as Spain btw, which is about half of Italy's infections.

Japan's health system is very well equipped with intensive care beds, from what I read. So is Germany, which definitely helps in reducing the numbers, but a big junk of those huge numbers especially in Italy is due to patients not receiving proper medical care.
When the outbreak was in Wuhan, the Chinese government just randomly picked up medical staff all over the country and sent them to Wuhan and they built a few huge hospitals in no time to create that capacity for Corona patients. None of that is happening in Europe, even though in Italy it is similarly locally confined.

How well Japan is really prepared, we will only see, when numbers go through the roof. Even with those families going to IKEA, most of my Japanese friends refrain from going out atm.

Japan probably empirically proves that commutes are not a main way of transmission. Otherwise it would be hard to understand that there is so little so far with all those packed trains.

This Guardian story is relevant to the Germany v Italy comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts
 

This is not a mystery. Germany is obviously testing more younger people than Italy. Tests are not given randomly in both countries. Those countries with excellent testing capacities (i.e. Canada, Germany, South Korea etc.) can afford to test young patients, which lowers the mortality rate out of a sample.
 
That mortality rate in Italy is pretty crazy. It's difficult to know if the US will follow suit or not. The cases in the US are certainly skyrocketing.
I fear the economic ramifications that will be felt after the pandemic will probably claim more lives than the virus itself. Just hope it doesn't lead to a cold (or worse hot) war.
 
Will Americans shelter at home? I read the beaches and parks were packed on the weekend in California.

No, because young Americans are already fucking idiots and Californians take it to a new level. That said, the real upcoming hotbed of infection on the continent will come from Mexico, where government authorities are doing absolutely NOTHING to combat the virus and all of the malls, restaurants, bars and clubs are open for business as usual. Add to that the fact that Mexico isn't exactly the most sanitary place on earth, nor does it have particularly good medical facilities and even Mexican epidemiologists are predicting a situation worse than Italy coming soon.

I'm not always on the same page as Trump but this time is different. BUILD THAT WALL. KEEP THEM OUT.