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Keihan said:
The smartest people figure out a way to profit, no matter who wins. At least this guy figured it out.

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A cop should be picking him up.

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Sudsy said:
A cop should be picking him up.

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There are laws and then there are realities. Nobody did a thing when the Obama campaign and its collaborators at SEIU were driving buses into minority neighborhoods and offering people a ride, $20 and lunch to "go vote." Similarly, I don't recall any investigations or indictments over the many, many known cases of dead people and Disney characters voting for Obama in that same election. I don't recall a single indictment when the "New Black Panther" operatives were hanging around polling sites in 2012, carrying baseball bats, targeting white voters and trying to intimidate them into voting for Obama. And in blue states like CA, where politicians have deemed it "racist" to require proper ID at voting booths, an untold number of illegal immigrants will again be voting Democrat, just as they did in the past two presidential elections. And then there are the verified, documented cases in the past month of military absentee ballots being tossed into dumps and ditches--and upon investigation the vast majority were votes for Trump.

I'm not saying those factors would've made a difference in the electoral outcome or will in this one. I would actually say absolutely not. But voter fraud is real, it happens every election and it heavily favors Democrats, which this homeless opportunist is obviously purporting to be. If federal law enforcement agencies--who would oversee such electoral law-breaking--happily turn a blind eye to blatant electoral corruption year after year, I find it extremely hard to believe that some obese beat cop with a GED and zero jurisdiction over or education in federal election law, who probably can't even spell "election," is going to interrupt his lunch break at Wendy's to covertly coordinate with U.S. Justice Department, FBI and U.S. Attorney's office in an inter-agency federal sting operation to take down a street vagrant trying to score a few bucks for his next fix.

So again, this guy figured it out. Make a buck while it's possible.
 
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Keihan said:
Nobody did a thing when the Obama campaign and its collaborators at SEIU were driving buses into minority neighborhoods and offering people a ride, $20 and lunch to "go vote."
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Wouldn't that be totally legal as long as they don't say "vote for democrat"? Which is actually funny as in many countries you cannot offer any group of people a ride to a public company's share holder meeting but I guess presidential elections are less important. :p
 
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Keihan said:
Nobody did a thing when the Obama campaign and its collaborators at SEIU were driving buses into minority neighborhoods and offering people a ride, $20 and lunch to "go vote.
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As Mikey correctly surmised, the fun part there was that they never told them who to vote for, just to vote - which isn't actually illegal.

The flip to the story you relayed was the flyering of minority neighbourhoods (presumed to be supportive of Obama) with announcements that due to expected heavy turnout, polling had been expanded to two staggered days and their neighbourhood was to vote on day two. A lot of people bought it and showed up at voting stations that had closed the day before.

And keep in mind that I don't condone it on either side. The dems engage in voter fraud, the gop in voter suppression - they both have their favourite deceitful tactics, enough assholes in both parties to make a proctologist's eyes go wide with greed..
 
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Sudsy said:
As Mikey correctly surmised, the fun part there was that they never told them who to vote for, just to vote - which isn't actually illegal.
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IANAL (and I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night), but wouldn't that fall under 2(b)(i)? It seems to me that the voters would have accepted a benefit in order to vote. Of course, it would be the voters who committed the crime, not the Obama campaign and SEIU.
 
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MelissaAnne said:
Of course, it would be the voters who committed the crime, not the Obama campaign and SEIU.
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Exactly. :)

If it’s not been clear, I despise the leadership on both sides, and would be perfectly content if they all suffered simultaneous aneurysms.
 
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Well, at least one factor in this upcoming election has been effectively removed, that being the COVID vaccine. Pfizer's announcement today that the earliest possible arrival date of its vaccine in the U.S. would be approximately Thanksgiving has mostly depoliticized the process. Pfizer is planning to report its initial trial results at the end of this month, but its application for emergency use authorization--which is expected to be approved, immediately--will not be submitted until the third week of November. What's interesting is that Moderna is reporting an almost identical projected schedule for EUA, which means we will likely have two vaccines being distributed in the U.S. in December. Pfizer yesterday released footage of the first doses already rolling down the production line, and is aiming at 100-million by the new year.

That's good, as it means significantly more doses available ASAP. What's not good, in my opinion, is the vaccine arriving after the election, which is going to reassure a lot of tinfoil hat jackass conspiracy theorist types that the vaccine wasn't rushed by Trump for political purposes and a lot more Americans may now opt to get the vaccine. That reduces my chances of getting it before spring. And that is not good.

In any event, if I'm able to weasel my way into getting vaccinated I'll be sure to report on the reportedly awesome side effects. And if you hear nothing from me for a month, you'll know I'm either dead or in Bangkok living the ladyboy dream, in which case you may want to hold off on getting that shot whenever it arrives in your town.
 
Keihan said:
I don't recall a single indictment when the "New Black Panther" operatives were hanging around polling sites in 2012, carrying baseball bats, targeting white voters and trying to intimidate them into voting for Obama.
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Here is one (of many things) that i dont understand..... these guys hanging out around polling stations, whether they are Black Panthers or Rednecks.... how do they actually intimidate any voters? Votes are anonymous so surely you just tell them you are gonna vote for their side, then go in and vote for whoever you want. Am i missing something obvious?
 
Durg50 said:
Here is one (of many things) that i dont understand..... these guys hanging out around polling stations, whether they are Black Panthers or Rednecks.... how do they actually intimidate any voters? Votes are anonymous so surely you just tell them you are gonna vote for their side, then go in and vote for whoever you want. Am i missing something obvious?
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bah... it keeps them busy for a while and they feel they do something useful I guess...
 
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Durg50 said:
Am i missing something obvious?
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A self-appointed election monitor with a gun asks a voter to show a voter registration document. The voter refuses. A dispute ensues. The self-appointed monitor accuses the voter of being part of an election fraud conspiracy. The voter leaves. Another self-appointed monitor uploads a video of the dispute. Viewers comment about the voter's accent, apparent lack of ID, and other "evidence," of foul play. (Why wouldn't they show a voter registration card if they had one? How did they get there? How many more of these illegals are being bussed to polling stations in the county?) Social media goes nuts. Death threats are made. Some voters decide to sit the election out.
 
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Durg50 said:
Here is one (of many things) that i dont understand..... these guys hanging out around polling stations, whether they are Black Panthers or Rednecks.... how do they actually intimidate any voters? Votes are anonymous so surely you just tell them you are gonna vote for their side, then go in and vote for whoever you want. Am i missing something obvious?
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Well, yes and no. In theory votes are confidential, so that just shows you how intelligent Black Panthers are. It's no different than the BLM or ANTIFA assholes on the street today--they think if they scream, shout and threaten people enough they'll eventually get what they want. That said, there are certain methods for obtaining an individual voter's "preferences" in their voting patterns. Without going into too much detail, as a campaign operative I was able to (legally, I must add) buy information on individual voter preferences in terms of which way they lean. The information would simply show the voter name, address and would place them into one of five categories, depending on their votes in the past four general elections: Strong Democrat, Leans Democrat, Neutral, Leans Republican, Strong Republican. Campaign hacks like me then use that information to tailor our ground strategy, as in where we send volunteers to flier homes, which homes we send actual volunteers to, which homes we call, etc. But I can guarantee you groups like BLM or BP are neither intelligent nor resourceful enough to go through the process of obtaining voter ID info.

However, organized labor (unions) have always engaged in voter intimidation tactics on behalf of Democrat or leftist candidates, although in a more intelligent fashion than the Black Panthers. Around here, labor unions will target their members, in particular immigrant members, in particular unions from the service, hotel and construction industries, to make sure they vote Democrat. A lot of my employees are originally from the Philippines, and they tell me exactly what their union delegates do: sit them down, look them in the eye, and tell them, "IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR _______, WE'RE GONNA KNOW." And of course the threat there is, if they don't vote for the Democrat candidate they'll get booted from the union and lose their jobs and benefits. Most of my Filipino workers come from a culture where they're already very mistrustful of very corrupt politicians, so they don't want to take a chance. Unions here target Filipinos in particular because they're very religious and culturally conservative and therefore naturally lean toward Republican politics.

Another tactic that unions use is called "group voting day." They force their members to sign up for absentee ballots, and as soon as ballots are distributed, they force all of their members to bring the ballots to union HQ on a certain day and then they all "vote together" for the Democratic candidates. Obviously, this is an intimidation tactic. But this is also why Republicans are constantly decrying the use of all mail-in ballots. You constantly hear Trump referring to the practice as voter fraud, and he's correct on this. All-mail voting is the single most effective way for labor unions to engage in voter intimidation and vote coercion. And then, as we've already seen proof of, Democratic operatives extend their influence into the postal service and ballots from areas that vote heavily republican (like military housing districts) end up getting "lost" (meaning thrown into a ditch, like that recent case).

But this is nothing new, and it just becomes a fact of life in political campaigning. If I'm running a GOP campaign, I already have to count on the other side enjoying the perks of vote coercion from unions, voter fraud and, particularly in the case of federal/national campaigns, a lot of ballots from strong-red districts going missing thanks to activist, union-member postal workers. If I'm running a Democrat campaign (which I actually have once) then I know I can heavily rely on labor unions to do most of the heavy lifting and, if necessary, send union delegates to any government office to have a "talking to" with the department heads about educating employees there to vote the "right way."

Personally, I don't like those types of tactics, simply because they're blatantly illegal. I prefer misinformation techniques, or counter-intelligence, and it's really much easier than it sounds. My favorite is bullshit polling. Basically, I pay for bullshit, rigged polls that show the opponent far, far ahead--in theory, this potentially lulls opposition voters into either 1) not voting immediately and potentially forgetting to vote altogether, or 2) not voting at all because they figure it's in the bag. Remember four years ago, when certain polls were showing Clinton with a double-digit lead over Trump, and the entire world just assumed she was going to win? That's how it works.

Anyhow, only a couple of weeks left of this nonsense before the real fun begins and both sides take the election to the court system.
 
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Keihan said:
Well, yes and no. In theory votes are confidential, so that just shows you how intelligent Black Panthers are. It's no different than the BLM or ANTIFA assholes on the street today--they think if they scream, shout and threaten people enough they'll eventually get what they want. That said, there are certain methods for obtaining an individual voter's "preferences" in their voting patterns. Without going into too much detail, as a campaign operative I was able to (legally, I must add) buy information on individual voter preferences in terms of which way they lean. The information would simply show the voter name, address and would place them into one of five categories, depending on their votes in the past four general elections: Strong Democrat, Leans Democrat, Neutral, Leans Republican, Strong Republican. Campaign hacks like me then use that information to tailor our ground strategy, as in where we send volunteers to flier homes, which homes we send actual volunteers to, which homes we call, etc. But I can guarantee you groups like BLM or BP are neither intelligent nor resourceful enough to go through the process of obtaining voter ID info.

However, organized labor (unions) have always engaged in voter intimidation tactics on behalf of Democrat or leftist candidates, although in a more intelligent fashion than the Black Panthers. Around here, labor unions will target their members, in particular immigrant members, in particular unions from the service, hotel and construction industries, to make sure they vote Democrat. A lot of my employees are originally from the Philippines, and they tell me exactly what their union delegates do: sit them down, look them in the eye, and tell them, "IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR _______, WE'RE GONNA KNOW." And of course the threat there is, if they don't vote for the Democrat candidate they'll get booted from the union and lose their jobs and benefits. Most of my Filipino workers come from a culture where they're already very mistrustful of very corrupt politicians, so they don't want to take a chance. Unions here target Filipinos in particular because they're very religious and culturally conservative and therefore naturally lean toward Republican politics.

Another tactic that unions use is called "group voting day." They force their members to sign up for absentee ballots, and as soon as ballots are distributed, they force all of their members to bring the ballots to union HQ on a certain day and then they all "vote together" for the Democratic candidates. Obviously, this is an intimidation tactic. But this is also why Republicans are constantly decrying the use of all mail-in ballots. You constantly hear Trump referring to the practice as voter fraud, and he's correct on this. All-mail voting is the single most effective way for labor unions to engage in voter intimidation and vote coercion. And then, as we've already seen proof of, Democratic operatives extend their influence into the postal service and ballots from areas that vote heavily republican (like military housing districts) end up getting "lost" (meaning thrown into a ditch, like that recent case).

But this is nothing new, and it just becomes a fact of life in political campaigning. If I'm running a GOP campaign, I already have to count on the other side enjoying the perks of vote coercion from unions, voter fraud and, particularly in the case of federal/national campaigns, a lot of ballots from strong-red districts going missing thanks to activist, union-member postal workers. If I'm running a Democrat campaign (which I actually have once) then I know I can heavily rely on labor unions to do most of the heavy lifting and, if necessary, send union delegates to any government office to have a "talking to" with the department heads about educating employees there to vote the "right way."

Personally, I don't like those types of tactics, simply because they're blatantly illegal. I prefer misinformation techniques, or counter-intelligence, and it's really much easier than it sounds. My favorite is bullshit polling. Basically, I pay for bullshit, rigged polls that show the opponent far, far ahead--in theory, this potentially lulls opposition voters into either 1) not voting immediately and potentially forgetting to vote altogether, or 2) not voting at all because they figure it's in the bag. Remember four years ago, when certain polls were showing Clinton with a double-digit lead over Trump, and the entire world just assumed she was going to win? That's how it works.

Anyhow, only a couple of weeks left of this nonsense before the real fun begins and both sides take the election to the court system.
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when I read this I truly think you guys deserve a good 10 years or so of communism
Then there would be more respect for democracy, hopefully
 
Frenchy said:
when I read this I truly think you guys deserve a good 10 years or so of communism
Then there would be more respect for democracy, hopefully
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We already had 8 years of Obama and obviously Americans had enough (hence President Trump).
 
Durg50 said:
Isnt because there is a two term, 8 year limit? You seriously think Trump wouldve beaten Obama?
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That's actually a very interesting idea. Can't say I've ever thought about it that way. But I was, of course, referring to Hillary's loss to Trump. Hillary was seen as the heir to Obama's legacy and made it part of her platform to carry on his agenda; when she lost, it was largely seen as a referendum on Obama.

But to your original questions, yes, the 22nd Amendment, which we passed just after WWII, in theory limits presidents to two terms. There are ways around it, however. That's one of the comedy conspiracies of the 2016 season, when some analysts suggested that Hillary could've dumped Caine as her VP for her second term, run her husband instead, resign the presidency, and then all of a sudden Bill is POTUS all over again.

And Trump VS Obama in 2016? That'd be a very tough one. If I'm betting hard dollars, it would've been on Obama, but again in 2016 I would've bet hard dollars on Hillary as well. I think it would come down to how you think Trump would've framed his messaging and how he would've behaved during a debate. My sense is he would've gone twice as hard and nasty against Obama--who is in no way, shape or form an aggressive brawler type on stage--and could've done to Barry exactly what he did to every other GOP flagship candidate. You can't take the high road and win with Trump. To Biden's credit, he took the low road in the recent debates and was therefore able to survive. In 2008, Barry was able to come off as cool and calm and classy on stage against McCain solely because McCain was a loose-canon, foul-mouthed, horribly-tempered old sailor who, let's be honest, wasn't functioning 100% cognitively. But pit him against an egomaniacal reality TV star and master performer? Beats me, but it would've been fucking hilarious. Maybe someday in the future.
 
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Frenchy said:
I wish there were more leaders like her ...
fed up with all the usual fighting shtick too, whether in the US or Europe

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I like her, particularly how she had the balls to shut down her country's borders immediately and keep people safe (unlike Pelosi and our Democrats, who were demanding we stay open and calling Trump a racist for wanting to do exactly what NZ did).

I also think she'd last exactly two minutes in American politics. Maybe three.
 
Keihan said:
I also think she'd last exactly two minutes in American politics. Maybe three.
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well, given what she wrote above , I’m quite sure she would have zero interest in entering American politics anyway
 
Frenchy said:
Meh... all the pro-Trump guys will tell you that if it’s coming from CNN it can only be liberal spin and lies.
Go to Fox News or even better, OANN and Breitbart. That’s where the pure truth and nothing but the truth is , obviously (it’s a known fact)
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We've discussed this issue before and now you are intentionally portraying a distorted view of reality - as if the liberal and conservative media are even in number like a Rugby union match. The liberal media has 15 players and the conservative media has a scrum half and a fly half.

I can't speak for others, but I never use the word "lie." However, CNN has a serious left spin and is far from objective.

It was the overwhelming dominance of the liberal media that necessitated the creation of Fox News. If you truly object to the existence of Fox News, you should engage in an e-mail campaign and contact the numerous liberal outlets to complain about their lack of impartiality.
 
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DireWolf98 said:
We've discussed this issue before and now you are intentionally portraying a distorted view of reality - as if the liberal and conservative media are even in number like a Rugby union match. The liberal media has 15 players and the conservative media has a scrum half and a fly half.

I can't speak for others, but I never use the word "lie." However, CNN has a serious left spin and is far from objective.

It was the overwhelming dominance of the liberal media that necessitated the creation of Fox News. If you truly object to the existence of Fox News, you should engage in an e-mail campaign and contact the numerous liberal outlets to complain about their lack of impartiality.
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i beg to disagree , but it doesn’t matter . Your mindframe is « they distort the truth and they are far more numerous (are they , now?) so Fox News and Breitbart etc are totally entitled to lie even more » . Why not retorting with the truth, pure and simple, instead of just with competing BS?
I think the reasonable , « un-hysterical » conservatives are just not represented at all in the US media nowadays. And its too bad because thats a media I (and I suppose million others) would actually like to follow
 
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Frenchy said:
Ah yes I forgot , he will be reelected with 60%+ of the popular vote and after 4 years will transfer the power to Ivanka ... no worries then :D
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I have no idea who will win. However, if President Trump loses, on January 20, 2021, he will fly to a golf course in Florida for a round with a friend or two.
 
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