How is the Covid situation in Japan now? Do you think that Covid will be here on Earth forever?

Keihan said:
He can declare whatever the fuck he wants but I'm not getting rid of my mask or Clorox wipes just yet.
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As long as new variants of concern keep popping up from places whose residents vacation around me, I’ll be keeping my mask on. Data on vaccine efficacy against new variants should in the future come quicker the more people get vaccinated around the world and breakthrough cases investigated.

One time the other month, I saw a bunch of fob Indian guys walking towards me, half with masks under their chin, and I just thought ahhhh shit. This was before the vaccine data against Indian strain were out. That feeling must be what your typical p4p shop gets when confronted with some random gaijin. :eek: We really need an arms crossed ダメ emoji here. Haha.

On the plus side, mask always on means I don’t need to be so clean shaven all the time. And even better, I don’t need to smell other people’s breath. ;)
 
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Acid Burn said:
What worries me is that by the time Japan reopens to foreign tourists, 鬼滅の刃 season 2, taking place in Yoshiwara, will probably have aired. With the anime’s popularity, Yoshiwara’s proximity to the touristy Sensoji, and ‘anime pilgrimages’ being a thing, I can just imagine the increase in random tourists with cameras recording walking through the area.

Just the thought of the area actually being on the radar of your random anime fan, cosplayer, YouTuber, etc. worries me. I like the solitude of walking through the streets there, with nobody really in the streets except your doormen, a guy here and there going to a soap, and random girls going to or from their job.
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Oh, haven’t seen one of those Youtubers in a long time until a few weeks ago when I visited a crowded area in central Tokyo to buy skincare. This part of Tokyo has been documented by so many people in so many ways that I can’t fathom how one can create original content without repeating the same old story. Not like YouTube needs another “day in the life of my life in Japan” videos, but hey..
 
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Rusty Trombone said:
Yeah a lot of young females I talk to say they same.
They are all worried about anaphylactic shock.
Even I nurse I know refused to get vaccinated.
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Yeah Japan has affinity with masks but vaccines are a different story. There is misinformation about the HPV vaccine as well, a lot of girls don’t get it. Which is crazy because in some shops girls give 10-15 uncovered blowjobs per day.
 
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Acid Burn said:
One time the other month, I saw a bunch of fob Indian guys walking towards me, half with masks under their chin, and I just thought ahhhh shit. This was before the vaccine data against Indian strain were out. That feeling must be what your typical p4p shop gets when confronted with some random gaijin. :eek: We really need an arms crossed ダメ emoji here. Haha.
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Don't feel too bad. That's the same reaction I had to approaching groups of Indian FOBs, and well before the pandemic ever happened. That includes my Indian cousins, but that's more because I don't want to hear those fucking dorks drone on about pediatrics and "exciting" medical breakthroughs and fucking Star Wars.
 
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Well, I met my first female Japanese anti-vaxxer today, actually a client of mine. Very nice lady, originally from Osaka but living stateside for the past decade. Hasn't gotten vaccinated. Isn't going to get vaccinated. Is convinced the vaccine will cause her irreparable harm and the negatives effects are being covered up by a global conspiracy. And to top it off, she's planning on flying back to Osaka this month.

I guess that brand of stupid knows no national or geographical boundaries. Made a mental note not to allow her onto the premises for the rest of the year.
 
Keihan said:
Well, I met my first female Japanese anti-vaxxer today, actually a client of mine. Very nice lady, originally from Osaka but living stateside for the past decade. Hasn't gotten vaccinated. Isn't going to get vaccinated. Is convinced the vaccine will cause her irreparable harm and the negatives effects are being covered up by a global conspiracy. And to top it off, she's planning on flying back to Osaka this month.

I guess that brand of stupid knows no national or geographical boundaries. Made a mental note not to allow her onto the premises for the rest of the year.
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ah ! I love those types! And who’s behind the conspiracy according to her? Gates? Reptilians? Illuminatis? Jews In Space?
 
Frenchy said:
ah ! I love those types! And who’s behind the conspiracy according to her? Gates? Reptilians? Illuminatis? Jews In Space?
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I didn't engage her in conversation long enough to find out, as she's also an anti-masker and I kept my distance until I could get her out of my building. But she is Japanese, so she's probably not cosmopolitan or complex enough for the Illuminati or anti-semitism. She probably figures it's a diabolical plot hatched by the ghosts of Harry Truman, the pilot of the Enola Gay and the oni that fought with Momotaro.
 
Frenchy said:
well, I know you will probably get a heart attack reading me defending Trump , but fact is he promoted the vaccine. He even wanted to get all the credit for it.
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Hah, it appears we've both got one foot in the TAG Twilight Zone! But I'll do you one better, I'm pretty well convinced DJT played a very significant role in how quickly the vaccine was delivered in the U.S., and any other president would've taken a bit longer.

That said, you left out the WHY. It's not because he thought the vaccine was a good idea, or even took the virus seriously. It was 110% about getting re-elected. And I think there's some merit to the argument that had the vaccine been delivered and an EUA issued in, say, early October, and by the end of October every American 55+ was eligible and standing in vaccine lines, things could've gone differently in that election.

The really ironic part is that among his remaining steadfast MAGA loyalists--the majority of whom are rabidly anti-mask, anti-vax--very few are aware (or willing to admit) that Trump and his entirely family very quietly got vaccinated before leaving the WH, while they were still considered priority individuals. Doubt he'll be mentioning that at his upcoming rallies.
 
What is interesting it seems they are not forcing anyone to take the vaccine here in Japan, not even the healthcare personnel. I know several nurses in their 20's who are pondering if they should get the vaccine or not.

There has been like one in a million chance of dying of TTS in their age group and at the same time no healthy people in their 20's has died of covid19.

Now I actually put the blame on the press on this one as they are happily concentrating on the rare dramatic events and reporting them as they are common.

Also we know from game psychology that the risk you can cause with your own active actions (taking the vaccine) feel bigger than the risk you get being passive. So when we know that a young woman is not going to get TTS without a trigger event it is easy to see how taking the vaccine feels risky.

What is not taken into the calculations is that we already know covid19 is not gonna go away, but stay with us circling the world with other corona viruses, which then means in the long game everyone who is not vaccinated will get it. And dying is not the only risk, but long hospitalisation or after effects of the virus are not fun either.

Then again if I had healthy kids under the age of 10 or so the decision to vaccinate or not would be even more difficult. Yeah they are not being vaccinated at least not yet, but it might actually be better for them to get the covid19 rather than the vaccine as some researchers are speculating that will give them better protection later in the life while pretty much none of them get seriously sick, or even have any symptoms.

For myself, I will elbow my way to the front of the line as soon as they get my age group eligible for vaccinations. And I hope Philippines and Thailand allow perverts in with a vaccine passport soon after that.
 
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Keihan said:
Hah, it appears we've both got one foot in the TAG Twilight Zone! But I'll do you one better, I'm pretty well convinced DJT played a very significant role in how quickly the vaccine was delivered in the U.S., and any other president would've taken a bit longer.

That said, you left out the WHY. It's not because he thought the vaccine was a good idea, or even took the virus seriously. It was 110% about getting re-elected. And I think there's some merit to the argument that had the vaccine been delivered and an EUA issued in, say, early October, and by the end of October every American 55+ was eligible and standing in vaccine lines, things could've gone differently in that election.

The really ironic part is that among his remaining steadfast MAGA loyalists--the majority of whom are rabidly anti-mask, anti-vax--very few are aware (or willing to admit) that Trump and his entirely family very quietly got vaccinated before leaving the WH, while they were still considered priority individuals. Doubt he'll be mentioning that at his upcoming rallies.
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yeah... where it really comes to the twilight zone is when I see online , more than a year and half and countless deaths after it all started, some MAGA retards still writing the virus doesn’t even exist. You tell them... well DJT got it... his son got it... Ted fucking NUGENT got it .... but no. Its still some kind of super-warped conspiracy where even Trump lied but it was for a good hidden cause or whatever. At this level of insanity I just unplug
 
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Keihan said:
I'm pretty well convinced DJT played a very significant role in how quickly the vaccine was delivered in the U.S., and any other president would've taken a bit longer.
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So you got the Clorox vaccine. Oh YeaH!!!! He was wayyy ahead of the game. Are you fuckin high when you write this crap?
 
I saw my health care professional last Friday and he told me that "I" don't need the vaccine.
 
just4fun said:
Are you fuckin high when you write this crap?
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Not at all, aside from a couple of beers with dinner. I'm just going by what basically every trustworthy medical source in the nation was saying back in early 2020, including the talking heads from the CDC, FDA, NIH, state health directors and Dr. Fauci, himself. All reliable projections at that time absolutely rejected the possibility of getting a vaccine approved by the end of 2020, and most were saying we'd be lucky to have a vaccine approved by summer of 2021, and most likely not having widespread availability until near 2022 or even later. I can't be the only one who remembers this. "LOOK, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VACCINE BY CHRISTMAS," said CNN. That was the standard message stateside.

The issue that arose around April or May, IIRC, was that Trump began running his mouth about having a vaccine approved "sooner than anyone can imagine," implying that the vaccine announcement was imminent, and later with his boasts about rolling it out "by that very special date, you know what I mean," obviously referring to the November 2020 election. And that basically caused a PR nightmare for medical experts and state/city politicians, especially come July and August when numbers started to surge. I was actually brought on as an unpaid, volunteer communications consultant (very briefly, did it just to help friends, didn't enjoy it and left) during this whole shitstorm, precisely because there was this mad panic to come up with some sort of messaging that state/city leaders could use to combat all of this rhetoric and supposed misinformation coming from D.C. and the WH, to try and temper public expectation about when we might actually see a vaccine and what the public should be doing in the meantime.

The fact is, Trump and his Operation Warp Speed delivered the vaccine EUA quicker than anyone in the nation (or world, frankly) had predicted just nine months earlier. That says nothing about WHY he did it, or HOW; from everything I heard, on top of the billions of dollars he handed out, he and his CoS were on the phone threatening and bullying anyone and everyone (Pfizer's Bourla, in particular) practically all day, every day, to get this done before November. Unlike the MAGA-hat anti-vaxxer up there, I'm not here praising Trump. Just pointing out the unpleasant obvious, just like with the economy. Regardless of what you think of Trump, the fact is, the U.S. had a fucking amazing economy under his admin until COVID sunk everything. And the other fact is, he somehow delivered a vaccine sooner than anyone expected. And since he's no longer president, I don't see why admitting to it is something to get worked up over.
 
Keihan said:
Not at all, aside from a couple of beers with dinner. I'm just going by what basically every trustworthy medical source in the nation was saying back in early 2020, including the talking heads from the CDC, FDA, NIH, state health directors and Dr. Fauci, himself. All reliable projections at that time absolutely rejected the possibility of getting a vaccine approved by the end of 2020, and most were saying we'd be lucky to have a vaccine approved by summer of 2021, and most likely not having widespread availability until near 2022 or even later. I can't be the only one who remembers this. "LOOK, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VACCINE BY CHRISTMAS," said CNN. That was the standard message stateside.

The issue that arose around April or May, IIRC, was that Trump began running his mouth about having a vaccine approved "sooner than anyone can imagine," implying that the vaccine announcement was imminent, and later with his boasts about rolling it out "by that very special date, you know what I mean," obviously referring to the November 2020 election. And that basically caused a PR nightmare for medical experts and state/city politicians, especially come July and August when numbers started to surge. I was actually brought on as an unpaid, volunteer communications consultant (very briefly, did it just to help friends, didn't enjoy it and left) during this whole shitstorm, precisely because there was this mad panic to come up with some sort of messaging that state/city leaders could use to combat all of this rhetoric and supposed misinformation coming from D.C. and the WH, to try and temper public expectation about when we might actually see a vaccine and what the public should be doing in the meantime.

The fact is, Trump and his Operation Warp Speed delivered the vaccine EUA quicker than anyone in the nation (or world, frankly) had predicted just nine months earlier. That says nothing about WHY he did it, or HOW; from everything I heard, on top of the billions of dollars he handed out, he and his CoS were on the phone threatening and bullying anyone and everyone (Pfizer's Bourla, in particular) practically all day, every day, to get this done before November. Unlike the MAGA-hat anti-vaxxer up there, I'm not here praising Trump. Just pointing out the unpleasant obvious, just like with the economy. Regardless of what you think of Trump, the fact is, the U.S. had a fucking amazing economy under his admin until COVID sunk everything. And the other fact is, he somehow delivered a vaccine sooner than anyone expected. And since he's no longer president, I don't see why admitting to it is something to get worked up over.
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Fun fact, Pfizer actually refused to be subsidized by Operation Warp Speed and were the first one to release the vaccine anyway. But granted, some arm-twisting by Trump at FDA or whatever agency supposed to approve those things must have helped
 
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Frenchy said:
Fun fact, Pfizer actually refused to be subsidized by Operation Warp Speed and were the first one to release the vaccine anyway. But granted, some arm-twisting by Trump at FDA or whatever agency supposed to approve those things must have helped
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That's pretty much all I meant. His antics and threats very likely had some impact on how quickly the pharma bosses moved. Probably not a huge impact but maybe a few month's difference at best. The thing I always tell people is, like him or not, there are some things Trump is very good at. Obviously, behaving like a civilized adult and maintaining some semblance of civility and dignity are not among them.

I've come to realize that I view Trump much in the same way I did Ron Paul, back in 2012. I actually agree with a lot of Trump's ideas and agenda (never said I was a nice guy), much like how I agreed with a lot of things Ron Paul used to say. Both say some truly stupid, fucked up shit but I always tell people, if you find a politician you agree with 51% of the time then consider yourself lucky. No, the problem I have with both Ron Paul and Donald Trump are their SUPPORTERS. If I never had to work the polls back in 2012 and watch all these idiot fucking pothead douchebag 20yo jackasses harassing and threatening senior citizens in the polling lines for supporting [not Ron Paul] in the primary, I might've voted for him. And if I never had to see these legions of maskless fucking anti-vax morons in MAGA hats and flags, declaring the constitution allows them to storm your restaurant or airplane with no mask or vaccine passport, just the sight of Trump's face might not disgust me as it does now.
 
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Well what Frenchy, Keihan and others are saying is that even if you don't agree to get the vaccine for whatever reasons do it anyway not for yourself but to protect others around you or society in general. It's like when I first started driving a car. One day my grandfather was a passenger and it was almost dusk. He told me to turn on my lights, but I said why it's not dark yet. He says turning on your lights is not necessarily so you can see better, it's so other drivers can see you.
 
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matt_j said:
If the vaccines work, and people who want them and those at risk get them, how exactly do those who opt out endanger them?
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You don't seem to understand what it means when they say that vaccines work. It means they reduce the infections around 90%. If enough people opt to drive with their lights off the virus will continue to spread and with 10% probability people who got vaccinated can still get the virus. And if you are in a risk group it can mean you still die or get seriously ill.
 
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matt_j said:
If the vaccines work, and people who want them and those at risk get them, how exactly do those who opt out endanger them?
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Seriously i thought it was only single mums that peaked at high school and share minions memes on Facebook that fall for the anti-vax stuff.
Aside from the science, do you genuinely not understand the concept of doing something that may not directly benefit you, but will help vulnerable groups?
 
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MikeH said:
You don't seem to understand what it means when they say that vaccines work. It means they reduce the infections around 90%. If enough people opt to drive with their lights off the virus will continue to spread and with 10% probability people who got vaccinated can still get the virus. And if you are in a risk group it can mean you still die or get seriously ill.
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Life in the big city.
 
Durg50 said:
Seriously i thought it was only single mums that peaked at high school and share minions memes on Facebook that fall for the anti-vax stuff.
Aside from the science, do you genuinely not understand the concept of doing something that may not directly benefit you, but will help vulnerable groups?
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So, the answer is no. You can’t explain it. I’m shocked.
 
matt_j said:
No, you don’t. Not really. You enjoy saying you do though.

So, if the vaccines work, and everyone who wants one or is at risk gets one, why does it matter if people opt out? Why attempt to shame them into getting it?
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you can’t sign the sayonara card if you did not chip in for the sayonara gift. Personally Im just fucking tired of all the freeloaders who thought first that Covid is just a hoax, then ok maybe its not a hoax but really not that dangerous so why the fuss, ok maybe dangerous but not for me so who cares , masks and vaccines are just for the “sheeps” bla bla bla. And yes I think I can do the right thing for myself AND for society . Its not necessarily incompatible and I don’t feel deprived of my sacro-sanct Freeduuuuum by doing so. Now do what you want . If you can’t board a flight in a few months try to complain at the check-in desk. I will enjoy the show
 
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