Jr Train Staff Singled Me Out And Told Me Not To Use Cell Phone In Handicap Area?

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So last night I was just listening to music on my smartphone and so were two other Japanese women on either side of me. The JR staff member walks up to me and tells me I can't use the smartphone while sitting in the handicapped area and even points to the no phone sign. The funny things are I wasn't technically using my phone and there were two other Japanese women using their phones in the same way...and they weren't told anything? Is this racism or does the JR staff only tell me because he assumes I'm the only one who was doing it on accident? If that is the case, why not confront the people who are intentionally breaking the rules? Although I was frustrated, I still got up and moved out of that area and decided to stand. After about ten minutes, I still noticed that the JR staff didn't even bother to tell the two women to stop, so I said excuse me in Japanese and then pointed to the no phones sign. One of the women was so embarrassed that her face turned red and she nodded and moved away. The other just played dumb and pretended she didn't know what I was doing and continued texting on her phone. That is alright though. When it is rush hour on the trains and buses and I get a seat, I put my bag in the seat next to me and then ignore everyone. I often notice people giving me the stink eye because my bag is taking up a seat. I don't care though because in most cases, there is an open seat next to me and nobody wants to sit next to me anyway. So fuck them.
 
This isn't really an "adult conversation" or a question about something specific to adult matters in Tokyo. If you want to keep posting threads about everyday life in Japan, please do it in the Off-Topic area. Thanks.
 
You might want to jump on one of those general Japan forums. People there might be more sympathetic. Here the more you post fucked up stuff happening to YOU members will associate it with you being the type that will go to the many places people have generously reviewed & fuck it up for everyone. At the general Japan forums there's people who may have the same views as you & may want to discuss it.
I didn't even read the post but from your last couple can assume what I'm writing is valid.
 
You should think about going to that nudist beach
 
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OP, I can appreciate your troubles, but the only 'fucking with' we enjoy talking about here has to do with our tingly bits, and is generally pleasureable.
 
You do that on purpose? During rush hours?

I find it strange that someone would married you. Damn.. there are some stupid people in this world.

someone would married you...

Learn English you dumb cunt.
 
OP, I can appreciate your troubles, but the only 'fucking with' we enjoy talking about here has to do with our tingly bits, and is generally pleasureable.

...but not letting racists sit next to me makes my dick hard lol.
 
What's wrong with my English?

Your English for a 英会話先生 is not so great.
Yeah.. being a Eikaiwa sensei is so great. It's a dream job!

Probably couldn't even get a fucking job in your own country.
You freaking loser.

would marry or married pick one...would married is incorrect English. So you throw the old "you can't get a job in your own country, you loser" clique at me. How original. I'm sure you must have a dream job as you are clearly bursting at the seams with creativity lol.
 
I was typing in a hurry. I had to take a shit, but thanks for the correction.
 
When it is rush hour on the trains and buses and I get a seat, I put my bag in the seat next to me and then ignore everyone. I often notice people giving me the stink eye because my bag is taking up a seat. I don't care though because in most cases, there is an open seat next to me and nobody wants to sit next to me anyway. So fuck them.

Dick move.
 
When it is rush hour on the trains and buses and I get a seat, I put my bag in the seat next to me and then ignore everyone. I often notice people giving me the stink eye because my bag is taking up a seat. I don't care though because in most cases, there is an open seat next to me and nobody wants to sit next to me anyway. So fuck them.

I have to agree that this is passive-aggressive behavior on your part (TokyoJoeblow) that can instigate trouble.

On the flip, I've see Japanese DO exactly what TokyoJoeblow describes on trains too. Not just the train, but put their bags up on a seat to block other people from sitting, and do this at bars, coffee shops, etc... I'm not talking when a person has a lot of heavy bags or a suitcase, but some people do it with a single light or small bag, and have the apparent aim of not wanting anybody sitting next to them. In that case, the person can/should just stand up.

Often it's Japanese women, who appear very arrogant and pretentious, but sometimes guys will do it. In most cases this is very unnecessary passive-aggressiveness or silliness. When you go looking for and are trying to start trouble, you will often FIND exactly that.
 
Not just the train, but put their bags up on a seat to block other people from sitting
Just stand in front of them and ask 「座っていい?」It's really not a big deal if your Japanese is passable. :banghead:
 
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Just stand in front of them and ask 「座っていい?」It's really not a big deal if your Japanese is passable. :banghead:
So then you are on TokyoJoeblow's side? Why can't he do what other Japanese are doing?

And the point about passive-aggressiveness is many will cower, retreat, or pretend to not know what's up when called on it or confronted. They are hoping you won't call them out on what they are doing, so they can get away with it. And when they get away with it so often, it can become arrogance.

The train seat, coffee shop, bar seat, etc... is not their house and neither do they own those seats. I'm a muscular guy and can put my legs on and lay all over the seats if I want. Few could stop me, but the point is, isn't that rude and why the hell would I or anyone do such a thing? Doing such things sends out a certain type of message to others.

And if you are really that rich or high class and superior to all those around you, arguably shouldn't even be on the train, but driving a car or being chauffeured. If a club, in the paid VIP section reserved for you. But too often, people are putting on airs, and trying to act like what they are not. The arrogance, rudeness, or passive-aggressiveness can result in people around you reacting to it.
 
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So then you are on TokyoJoeblow's side? Why can't he do what other Japanese are doing?

In case you can't read what I wrote and are too lazy to copy and paste that into Google Translate, I asked in relatively polite Japanese "May I sit here", indicating the bag on the seat.

I hear and see Japanese people do this all the time. There are rude young people all over the world, but a straightforward inquiry usually gets the desired results from all but the most autistic passengers. No need for Gaijin Smash or angry outbursts.

If the train car is crowded enough that I need the seat holding the bag, there's enough social pressure to respond correctly when questioned in good Japanese with a polite tone.
 
'Claiming staking' is a bit of an art in Japan and one that can be both baffling and annoying to non-Japanese (Japanese are more fatalistic about it). It is acceptable to degrees, however. Whether it be a blue sheet at a hanami, mat at Tokyo Electrical Parade or a piece of ground at an undohkai 'first-in-first-served' is almost sacred. In a culture where limited physical space has always contained a huge population it is a necessary rule. Not much elbow room so keep your elbows to yourself and bear it.
At the South Exit Shinjuku Dotour I saw the peak performance. Five elderly ladies bustled in and one nailed five empty seats in a row with hankies etc. and then all five stood in a line already about seven deep. No-one touched the 'stake' but they were not impressed. But fatalistic. Saw a uni boy put a sports bag through an open Yamanote window many years ago to get a seat for him and his girl. He was taken to task about it by a businessman. My point is there is 'okay' and 'not okay' about such things and finding the line is both difficult and interesting. If you do it knowingly to draw negative attention or to annoy then you are a fuck up, be you Japanese or not.
 
Just stand in front of them and ask 「座っていい?」It's really not a big deal if your Japanese is passable. :banghead:

In case you can't read what I wrote and are too lazy to copy and paste that into Google Translate, I asked in relatively polite Japanese "May I sit here", indicating the bag on the seat.

I hear and see Japanese people do this all the time. There are rude young people all over the world, but a straightforward inquiry usually gets the desired results from all but the most autistic passengers. No need for Gaijin Smash or angry outbursts.

If the train car is crowded enough that I need the seat holding the bag, there's enough social pressure to respond correctly when questioned in good Japanese with a polite tone.

I can read and speak Japanese at the JLPT N1 level. You have missed the point or have conveniently bypassed it to make it a "gaijin" issue, when it is way beyond that.

1) You tried to bypass whether or not TokyoJoeblow has the right to do what Japanese are ALSO doing.

If some other Japanese can put their bags up on the seat, and it's "acceptable", then why can't he?

2) And, Japanese can ask TokyoJoeblow in polite Japanese if they can sit in the seat next to him.

If that is all to it, then Japanese or other passengers can/need to say "Koko ni suwatte mo ii desu ka?" to him too.

3) What's the point of unnecessarily putting up your bags on the seat next to you in the FIRST place?

As pointed out, such people can be passive-aggressive or arrogant, in thinking they are better than others around them or that they can do whatever the hell they want.

All Japanese don't agree with pulling that bullshit and plenty of my JAPANESE friends and girlfriends have questioned such behavior too.

You should arguably NOT have to ask a person to remove their baggage, legs, or body from 2 or several PUBLIC train or bus seats. Irregardless if they are Japanese or gaijin.
 
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'Claiming staking' is a bit of an art in Japan and one that can be both baffling and annoying to non-Japanese (Japanese are more fatalistic about it)
花見, yes, 電車の席, no. Everyone knows the poor sob that got stuck putting out the blue sheet is low man on the totem pole. Fucking him over and poaching his seat is like beating a whipped dog.

Now, if someone puts their bag on the seat next to them in a full train or bus, you can ask them to move it. Did they buy two tickets?
 
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You should arguably NOT have to ask a person to remove their baggage, legs, or body from 2 or several PUBLIC train or bus seats. Irregardless if they are Japanese or gaijin.
Are we really going to visit Solong Fantasyland again? TIJ: courtesy extends as far as family, business contacts, and gossipy retirees from the neighborhood.

 
Are we really going to visit Solong Fantasyland again? TIJ: courtesy extends as far as family, business contacts, and gossipy retirees from the neighborhood.


There you go again. Avoided the 3 points brought up, so that you can make a personal attack and while trying so desperately to be funny.

What's the point of you being here? Sly insults? Maybe you might want to try learning how to debate. Because we can all just pick out random videos from the Internet. We don't need you for that.
 
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Fine.

[1] TokyoJoeBlow was being a cunt
[2] Yes, they can.
[3] People suck. Japanese are people too. So are JR staff.

Again, I'm pointing out the reality of life in Japan, while you entertain fantasies of how things "should be".
 
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A Japanese guy told me when he went from Tokyo to Osaka on a packed Shinkansen a lady had her bag on a seat. Nobody said anything assuming her friend was getting on the train at the next stop. When they arrived in Osaka her bag was still occupying a seat. Nobody said anything....