David Bond, Another White Idiot.

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"Did you know there’s a way to invite a Japanese girl home where she will NEVER say NO?"

"The truth is women in Japan are completely sexually frustrated, and so desperate for male attention that they’re willing to PAY FOR IT. Don’t believe me? I DARE you to google “Herbivore men japan” or “Japan Host Club”"

It's a cycle of hosts paying for other hosts. Yakuza-run prostitution rings run amok and women in the "water trade" (strippers, sex workers) come to these clubs for comfort, spend THOUSANDS of dollars on their male hosts, all for a sample of the "boyfriend experience."
(Watch: The Great Happiness Space, my favorite documentary)
 
Let's watch the inflammatory language. Thanks.
 
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sigh.... same stuff just rehashed and resold by someone else. /yawn
 
PS: Admin comment, we're going to let the 'white' comment remain in the title since the dude is white. And sadly, the most idiots putting on this mess, are indeed white.

Keep it civil. Banhammers at the ready. :)
 
Funny enough, I actually met this guy on the streets of Harajuku, with the tall white Scandinavian friend of his. These are the same guys from the "white guy steals girl from Chinese dude in HK" video that caused a firestorm in the media across Asia.

He posted on Jlair about coming and wanting to meet up with some guys from here.. a few of us met him, mostly to tell him not to shit in the pool like Julien Blanc did.

He was complaining to me (he didn't know I teach) about the difficulty of getting laid in Japan and wanted to return to Southeast Asia for some easier lays. Now he's selling something.. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think he is particularly bad. Many are trying to twist it or make him out to be Julien Blanc 2, when he is not. I see him more as a decent looking and intermediate level player, that's in the process of adapting his style to Japan. Some of the things he says or notices is on point.

A problem that I have with what I see of him and pals, is they often aren't smooth and can appear awkward, and not strongly socially aware. They are bold, they go for it, and that's great. But, there is a difference between being a reckless wild swinging brawler, and a refined smooth and graceful Boxer. Having the thoughtful grace of a gentleman, plays better internationally and or video.

Here are videos of him in action.

https://www.youtube.com/user/hellodavidbond/videos
(David Bond YouTube channel)

The greater problem is the reaction to him from nationalistic or xenophobic local guys to sensationalist or feminist journalists seeing this an another opportunity to sell papers or further their agenda. Because this has an interracial and international element, in Asia, this tends to ruffle feathers more. When a Black guy is doing well with White women, White guy with Asian women, etc... It stirs territorial feelings and petty jealousy in some men, as if "those" guys are messing with "our" women. As if, you own all women of your color or nationality, and the women aren't allowed to freely choose on their own.

It's my opinion and what I've seen in Japan and Korea, you then get this anti-foreign guy backlash or deliberate propaganda attempts to make the local women fear or hate foreign men. "Foreign guys are all playboys." "They are going to rape you." "They are going to get you pregnant and leave." "If you date [a foreign guy/different race guy], then you are a slut/yellow cab/whore." "Big penis will hurt you." etc... And no, I don't think this silliness is only specific to Japan or Korea, but is tribal and primitive behavior found in many places.

This is one of their infamous videos, where one of David Bond pal's are supposedly stealing and kissing the girlfriend of a Chinese guy. Again, if that was my girlfriend, I would cut her right there and leave. There are plenty of other women, don't need that one. And it can be she is totally NOT his girlfriend, but he's a guy trying to be overly possessive. Just a friend or new acquaintance, trying to control or possess her. The woman can choose what they want or want to do, not guys simply forcing them or pressuring them to act or be how they want. Getting all defensive about foreign or other races of guys dating "his women", then he hypocritically turns around and lusts after or tries to date women of other nationalities or color.

 
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When people talk about PUA being slimy, this video would definitely be a good exhibit why.

Going after one or the other of a couple when they are at least nominally "together" is a totally douche move IMO. And no, this isn't a male ownership thing. A woman trying to pick up a guy who is obviously with another woman is really slimy too.
 
Shit, that's Hong Kong, been on that party block before. Anything goes there. If they were in mainland China at the guy's own city, he would have called 20 of his friends up to fight those 2 guys.
 
When people talk about PUA being slimy, this video would definitely be a good exhibit why.

Going after one or the other of a couple when they are at least nominally "together" is a totally douche move IMO. And no, this isn't a male ownership thing. A woman trying to pick up a guy who is obviously with another woman is really slimy too.

Actually, it shows how more effective a PUA can be. This looked to be an egotistical contest of 2 guys after the same woman. This particular Chinese guy did not own that woman. Even if she is of the same nationality, she isn't his personal property. Furthermore, if that was really his girlfriend, she should be putting the breaks on any interaction with other guys. My girlfriend would shut down other guys, irregardless of their race or nationality. If she is single and free to choose, and where she clearly likes the other guy more, then that Chinese guy was trying to muscle the girl and forcibly possess her.


(Asian guy on unnecessary owning women territorial threatening racist rant)

I guess using his advice, we should kill guys doing interracial dating with women in our group and call women in such relationships all sluts. This very same Asian guy has videos talking about his love of dating Black women. So OK for him to date Black or White women, not OK for White guy to talk to Asian women.

In a modern mature society, it's not about being racist or petty jealously. It's about what a man can bring to the table, not dragging women by the hair, and dragging them back to the cave. It's not about stabbing guys with your spear or shooting them because a guy of a different tribe is dating women of your tribe. Better a man can show that he can win women with charm, skill, and intellect.

PUA has specific tactics for dealing with such challengers. Such a challenger is called AMOG (Alpha Male Other Guy or Alpha Male Of Group). Dealing with other male challengers is called AMOGing. The PUAs befriended and pulled the Alpha Female (AFOG) to their side. This then put group pressure on her girlfriend to want to join them.

Furthermore, a PUA knows when the battle is lost, and can eject from the scene with dignity. When the girl you are trying to hand hold is tongue kissing another guy, that's a huge signal to go. There are other women, go talk to them. A man can't force a woman to like him.

This is a video, of an Asian PUA teacher (JT), showing AMOGing and dealing with cock-blockers.


(AMOG Tactics and Handling a Cockblock)
 
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"You think you better than me!" subculture in America. Yup, don't miss that. Some people in that country can't handle getting their feelings hurt. It's nearly child emotional immaturity. Japanese would wonder what happened to this yonsei.

What the Chinese guy should have done is this: slowly caress the girl's neck and ear-lobe from behind with his lips while the other guy was holding her to let the other guy know that he's definitely open to Guy|Girl|Guy action. :bored:
 
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This is one of their infamous videos, where ...

I tried to watch it but got bored a couple of mins in...skimmed around a bit after that. My question/point: Are we supposed to believe that this was taped IRL as it happened? It looks much more staged to me, maybe a "recreation" at best. For one thing, who was taping it and why? You'd have to be having yourself taped A LOT of the time to hit on such a coherent and illustrative set of events. In addition, everyone seems to be ignoring that they are being taped, that a person is pointing a camera at them, at least in the parts of the video I watched. In some cases the camera and camera-person were right in some of the people's faces; this would get a reaction from the people IRL almost all the time. And finally, the video and audio quality, especially the latter, is a lot better than one normally gets from amateurs shooting stuff on their phones or whatever.

I don't know if this affects any of the discussion of the video or not, but I definitely got the feeling that it was deliberately staged with (amateur) actors and actresses performing for the camera.

-Ww
 
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Actually, it shows how more effective a PUA can be.

More effective than what? I'm not really drawn to how effective something is if it teaches people to be inconsiderate of other people.

This looked to be an egotistical contest of 2 guys after the same woman. This particular Chinese guy did not own that woman. Even if she is of the same nationality, she isn't his personal property.

I never made this objection, but excusing douchery because "the guy doesn't own the girl" is the usual modus operandi.

(lots of racial politics that I never brought up)

In a modern mature society, it's not about being racist or petty jealously. It's about what a man can bring to the table, not dragging women by the hair, and dragging them back to the cave. It's not about stabbing guys with your spear or shooting them because a guy of a different tribe is dating women of your tribe. Better a man can show that he can win women with charm, skill, and intellect.

And even better if a guy can show that he's confident enough in himself that he doesn't have to 'win' anything.

My 'game' is to be confident and slightly assertive, and not consider picking up women to be a zero-sum game. If a girl is with a guy, I might check her out, but I show a little consideration. There's plenty of other women out there. I don't have to be sleazy just because it might be a fun game to 'win' a woman by essentially humiliating the guy she's with.

It's just not for me.

That being said, PUA does teach a lot of things about building confidence, how to approach women, and how to 'seal the deal' if it's a good match. But there's a good reason IMO that this part of PUA is frowned upon by a lot of people.
 
I don't know if this affects any of the discussion of the video or not, but I definitely got the feeling that it was deliberately staged with (amateur) actors and actresses performing for the camera.

He was traveling all over Asia with his GoPro, either on his head, a selfie stick, or something else. Quickly into the iteraction he would show it and mention how he's traveling and making a video with it. It is not, as far as I understand, staged. This is how he filmed everything he did.

My 'game' is to be confident and slightly assertive, and not consider picking up women to be a zero-sum game. If a girl is with a guy, I might check her out, but I show a little consideration. There's plenty of other women out there. I don't have to be sleazy just because it might be a fun game to 'win' a woman by essentially humiliating the guy she's with.

It occurs to me that you might not be familiar or have had recent experience in clubs. This sort of behavior is rampant and normal in clubs..

Lets review the facts of what we know:

At the beginning of the interaction, we have two guys sitting on either side of a girl. They are both holding hands with her. She "belongs" to neither, nor did she come with either (clearly). Over time, the white guy sticks in, talks to her, and pulls her away while the Chinese guy doesn't really do much to move her or re-assert himself. It is clear that the Chinese guy did NOT come to the club WITH the other girl, or if he did, she is not committed to him.

For some reason - probably because of the title and how it was made into a race issue of white man vs Asian man (already a sensitive subject) - everyone took it and ran with it when actually it is THE GIRL DECIDING THE WHOLE TIME. In reality, this is a situation where one guy was just more assertive and stuck in there and had tighter game than the other guy, and the other guy was just kinda pushed out of the set.

this part of PUA is frowned upon by a lot of people.

I thought we had already gotten over this "PUA teaches X" myth.

This happens ALL THE TIME in clubs, and has nothing to do with whether or not someone has "studied PUA" or not. In general, in clubs, guys always come into other guys' interactions, and often, if you're not paying attention and don't have your wits about you, the girl WILL shift over to the other guy, especially if his game is tight. Again - because you don't own her. If the woman somewhat attracted to both guys or doesn't have her mind made up, she will just let it play out and see which guy "wins". If your frame is weaker and you're not willing to shoulder out the other guy, yeah you will lose the chick. It's your choice. You can take the moral high ground and go home alone, confident in the knowledge that you 'didn't resort to such cowardly tactics', or acknowledge the dude, direct him away, and move the girl with you to another part of the bar, and get the girl. Since the 'morality' only matters in your mind, go for the girl. If it's a legitimate couple and they came to the club together, don't be a douchebag, leave them alone. This is not the case in this video.. or, if it is, the dude had already lost the girl before he stepped into the club.

The Chinese guy in the video could have EASILY stood up and moved the girl if he was a little more assertive and proactive, and pulled her away from the white dude. But he didn't, ended up looking weak and passive, and his chick lost interest and went with the white dude. All's fair in my eyes!
Remember once again - the girl decided who to go with.
 
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Furthermore, a PUA knows when the battle is lost, and can eject from the scene with dignity.

Dignity, that's the one thing I didn't see a lot of from anybody when skimming through that video. If it's a video showing "how to be an effective PUA" then you can't blame those that look upon you with disdain.

Humiliating the guy wasn't necessary, and a lot of people would have acted a lot more violently than he did, so maybe all these boxing analogies are based on facts. Wait for him to go to the bathroom, then slip her your number with "I can see you are with someone tonight...." would have been far more appropriate.

Still, she was hardly a catch, if she has no respect for the guy she's with then why be with him, I certainly wouldn't want to be with her.
 
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I guess none of us know the facts (you posted your version as I was typing), but you assume she wasn't with either guy to begin with, whereas I assume she was with the guy to begin with (with him being on his own, and not just walking away).
 
Yeah if she's his girlfriend he already had lost her before he set foot in the club.. I HIGHLY DOUBT they were together at the beginning of the night though
 
Some guy online reckons this girl was already with the blond guy and the Chinese guy was trying but failed to pull her away.

The thing that strikes me most about the video is that David Bond can't exactly be taken at his word (something you suggest in one of your other posts, Sinapse, no?). I think that is one of the problems with any of the discussions about pickup on here: there are so many shady liars and scam artists involved that it is a bit difficult to see the wood for the trees.

As for the video itself there are all sorts of douchiness on display in my personal opinion, but I have no problem with the girl's behavior myself. That is exactly the type of girl I like - someone who would quitehappily go off with other guys. Maybe I'm not cut out for pickup!
 
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As for the video itself there are all sorts of douchiness on display in my personal opinion, but I have no problem with the girl's behavior myself. That is exactly the type of girl I like - someone who would quitehappily go off with other guys.

You pretty well summarize much of my reaction too.

-Ww
 
Dignity, that's the one thing I didn't see a lot of from anybody when skimming through that video. If it's a video showing "how to be an effective PUA" then you can't blame those that look upon you with disdain.

Humiliating the guy wasn't necessary...

I guess none of us know the facts (you posted your version as I was typing), but you assume she wasn't with either guy to begin with, whereas I assume she was with the guy to begin with (with him being on his own, and not just walking away).

She was NOT with the Chinese guy, nor did she know him prior to coming to the club. This comes from the girl herself, as reported by the Hong Kong news media. In fact, the Chinese guy tried to pull a cave man and to strong arm her, as if he owned her and she didn't have the right to choose who she wants to be with. That particular Chinese guy lacked any skill to win the woman over, other than attempt to grab and force her to be with him.

The other problem was local xenophobic and racist guys, turned it into a race issue of White man VS Chinese man, when it wasn't that. As if White foreigners had launched an all out invasion to steal all the Chinese/Asian women or purposely insult all Chinese/Asians. And some Chinese groups insanely went after the women, to include trying to get them fired from their job. That it became national news, shows the level of ridiculous insecurity, petty jealousy, and xenophobia involved. It was instead, just 2 guys at a local club, where the girl chose one over the other. One guy happened to be White and the other Asian, but it could have been any combination of color or nationality. Some women are going to be curious about other colors or nationalities of guys (and as guys are in other colors of women), and let them have free choice.

This is a slice of how it was reported in the Taiwanese news.


(Chinese news reporting on and interviewing the foreign guys involved (has some Chinese, but English subtitles and interview in English))


(Alex telling Taiwanese news media (notice the sausage at the beginning) about being labeled as if sex predators, to include insecure and racist Chinese guys that went searching for and attempted to destroy the lives of the Chinese women who talked to the White guys, as part of a childish jealousy fit).
 
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It occurs to me that you might not be familiar or have had recent experience in clubs. This sort of behavior is rampant and normal in clubs..

...This happens ALL THE TIME in clubs, and has nothing to do with whether or not someone has "studied PUA" or not. In general, in clubs, guys always come into other guys' interactions, and often, if you're not paying attention and don't have your wits about you, the girl WILL shift over to the other guy, especially if his game is tight.

The Chinese guy in the video could have EASILY stood up and moved the girl if he was a little more assertive and proactive, and pulled her away from the white dude. But he didn't, ended up looking weak and passive, and his chick lost interest and went with the white dude. All's fair in my eyes!
Remember once again - the girl decided who to go with.

This is an important point that can be overlooked. In clubs and bars, this type of scenario plays out all the time, where 2 guys are competing for the attention and affection of a woman, or other guys move in on the woman a guy is talking to.

Many guys are ill-equipped to handle dealing with such club interactions, so lose out. Some guys with no experience in the clubs, may have no clue whatsoever about anything that is going on. In the previous posted video of the PUA, JT Tran (also called Asian Playboy), shows exactly how to handle such a situation, where guys are trying to interfere with the woman you are talking to. A little knowledge could have went a long way in helping a guy in such a club situation. But ultimately, it also comes down to who the woman chooses to be with. If she chooses the other guy, respect her decision, and move on. There are plenty of other women to talk to and who may like you.
 
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While there is outrage, slut calling, and national anger in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, and Japan over a few White guys or foreigners of different races being successful at pulling Asian women...

Asian guys in America and Europe quietly go about dating, having sex with, and marrying White and Black women. No national news coverage, no news media creation of an Asian male invasion, no attempt to hunt the White and Black women down to publicly shame or humiliate them...



 
I guess none of these guys are posting douchey videos though, where they claim (untruthfully) to be stealing white guys' girlfriends. That might be one reason that there is no manufactured outrage.
 
I guess none of these guys are posting douchey videos though, where they claim (untruthfully) to be stealing white guys' girlfriends. That might be one reason that there is no manufactured outrage.
And you would be wrong. There are plenty of "douchey" videos of Asian guys doing such, and bragging about their conquest of White women.

Western media and more racially diverse countries simply don't react to it. Such childish insecurity and jealousy fits over interracial dating are now mostly seen for what they are.