Just starting a new thread, I'll add my own opinion later but for now just wanted things to be neat
If this is in the wrong place, please move it.. Wasn't sure where to put it
@Wwanderer @just4fun @Dorian Gray
I dont think it is immoral. p4p has its uses, a lot of people rather spend the time that others chase women and chase money instead. or chase happiness. If guys can do that by using their money then thats up to them.
Some people want to use their energy directly i.e. picking up girls.
A lot of guys have just Extreme mental blocks that pretty much stop them from doing this, (i.e. Aproach Anxiety), getting over that is just way too dificult for some people
and even if they dont have trouble talking to women, they amount of work you need to put in just to have sex at timescan makes the whole chase not worth it.
I used to be one of those guys who would approach everything, in the street, in the bar, in the book store, record store, shibuya 109 etc etc everything, and yes while I did get some success. . .I just realized that it was really draining.
AND I was still poor(not that Im rich now but yeah) I was spending all of my free time chasing girls out here, after a while I just grew tired of that, ever had that post nut regret? Yeah I had that one night after having sex with a girl who was just acting silly, took me hours to have sex with her, she was BAD in bed as well! Thats when I stopped trying to pick up women actively, I mean I still do like online stuff here and there or hit up a bar every once in a while and sometimes Ill find something but at this point in my life I have things that I want to do to get my life in a better place. I love it when having sex with a fairly attractive girl is just easy, not a struggle, or a second/third job. Right now I am in the middle of just building myself up so that I can attract women to me and have fun and easy experiences with women (mainly body, and living location) Thing is; this takes time, and since I`m spending all of my time on trying to improve myself, I simply just dont have time to chase women, try to get them on dates, deal with flakes, changed minds, dead end conversations, dead end attempts at getting a one night stand with a girl, contact information and correspondence that goes no where etc etc. . .I realized that it was a huge time sink doing somethign that I hate. Why not just spend that time on doing the things that I love? Then Pay whatever I need to pay to get some decent companionship when I need it?
There may be a time when I wont need it, and women will just flock to me without having to hustle like I did in my early 20`s. We all just want to be happy, Men want sex and companion ship with multiple women, women want resources/money, and security. Both have something the other wants so why would an exchange be immoral?
Just because you trade your resources for sex (pick up is the same thing in my opinion you just trade time you could be spending doing things you love) doesnt mean you are `less of a person` because you didnt `grow` in the arts of picking up women. You can grow through other things as well. There is no one `Right` way to live and we as humans are never going to agree on that one way, ever. what Dorain Gray said is just his own opinion. He wanted to Row against the current to get what he wanted, and it worked for him! A lot of people dont want to spend their lives that way, they DONT love or even like the `challenge` the grind etc.
Everyone wants a piece of their own happiness, and they dont want to have to climb the Mt. Everest of their lives to do it.
The whole trafficking thing is not really a cause to stop p4p really, I mean if that were an issue then you might as well just not wear clothes, as pretty much everything you wear is either made through slave labor or in sweat shops in India/africa/china(yes this still happens) Hell just look at the world cup in Quatar, its pretty much being built by slaves with many dying every day! Yet pretty much every one is still going to watch the world cup.
The world isnt always going to be peaches and roses, we just live the best we know how. Our desires cant really be denied, as men(sexual side), and as humans in general, so its just easier for a lot of men to go the path of least resistance. Thing is, there`s NOTHING wrong with that.