Brexit, Yay Or Nay?

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By the way, do you believe the western media when they say Japanese people stopped having sex last year?

I'm doing my best to help with that! This far this year everytime I've had sex there has been at least one Japanese citizen involved.
 
Another thing is just because the number or reported cases of racism has increased, it doesn't necessarily there are more racist incidents. Victims are more likely to report incidents of racism if they see the police are dealing with it seriously.

Actually in recent years, the UK probably deals with racism more seriously than any other country in the world. People have been jailed for making racist comments on Twitter. Saying disgusting things to minorities is often dealt with and receives harsher penalties than crimes such child abuse and knife crime.

Be careful if you are quoting media stats as the basis of an argument.

Please do not reach the conclusion that I am bashing the UK. In many regards it is a bastion of freedom and defender of human rights.

The same may be said of America.

Yet, it cannot be denied that there are significant elements in both of these fine nations that represent the antithesis of freedom and advocacy of human rights for all.

No, the media cannot be trusted completely.

They most certainly have the own agenda. At best, they cannot report a general mood, and at its vey best can inform that which would otherwise never see the light of day. At worst, they can manipulate and distort.

My reference was only to provide a glimpse into a mood that appears to be present.
 
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Roots, I believe you are one of the most open-minded people on here. I haven't suggested that you bashed the UK.

Anyway I have been around the block. And I have personally seen racist behavior in other countries against black people. So I know how the UK is in terms of tolerance levels on a global scale.
 
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People have been jailed for making racist comments on Twitter. Saying disgusting things to minorities is often dealt with and receives harsher penalties than crimes such child abuse and knife crime.

Hate speech laws are useless. Basically they allow the Left to feel they have done something but often the problem migrates or gets worse. Neo-nazis and other racist groups just modify their language into new code words or dog whistles.

Legislation of speech is Orwellian in the truest sense.
 
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There is nothing worse than people who live in a foreign country and then choose to be derisive about it. I'm sure most people have met such negative gaijins in Japan too.
I don't live in a foreign country, Britain is my country, I have lived there more than half of my adult life... and that is why I feel so much about the recent events. If it was another country, I would not mind much, frankly... Qui bene amat, bene castigat.
Has it never happened to you to be disappointed by something that your chosen partner has done/said? It does not mean that he/she is globally bad, but at a given point of time you may be affected. I live in a country, or rather a city, that I chose to be in since more than 25 years ago. Never regretted it, not even now. I know that it is hardly better elsewhere. But waking up one morning realizing that the country I had made mine , because of its openess and tolerance, was actually as bad as the country I had left behind, was a big shock.

BTW, The Polish centre in Hammersmith was tagged last night with "Poles go Home" signs. . MossBoss, you say it's all in the press, in that case, it's next door to me. I saw it with my eyes, and I saw the face of the ordinary guy next to me , who happened to be Polish, with fear in his eyes. The fear that those people feel, when they send their kids to school, MossBoss , is not invented by the press, it's real. It may be an overreaction, nobody has been killed, but the atmosphere is pretty deleterious just now...
To conclude on a more optimistic note, 70 % of people in my borough voted to remain, and all my English friends are far more critical of the recent events than I am. Things will stabilize. The big Brexiters are nowohere to be seen, retropedalling already. All this is probably for nothing...
 
The financial sky might not be falling after all:

http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/

Of course no single day means much, but that applies equally to a day or two of going down.

-Ww
Yes, true, although the FTSE 250 which deals specifically with domestic UK companies is struggling.
And the Pound is still pretty low. My purchasing power in Japan has lost more than 30% ... which will affect my P4P activities...
 
Not to make light of the serious issues in the aftermath of the Brexit vote but this clip from a British comedy 'Yes Minister' from the 80's has been linked by an Australian newspaper online and elsewhere no doubt.

 
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I am with you, @dreams, it seem you and I have similar backgrounds (albeit, this might be too much of a far-fetched statement, apologies in advance).

It is, indeed, very saddening turn of events. But, the last laugh would most likely be on the EU, since it would seem that the UK would try to negotiate similar agreement to the one of Norway (or something very similar; but don't quote me on this, as this has been a rumor for the time being). If so, then it would change very little concerning the claims of the "leave" campaigners, yes most certainly strip the UK of any say in EU legislature, etc.

What is shocking to me personally, is that despite all these lies and slender, likes of Farage et al, backing out of what has been said, are not liable for the lies. This is a severe atrocity in making, and these people are allowed to roam freely, unchallenged, and probably will remain in the government. Blasphemy! These people have no honour whatsoever. I would not look myself in the mirror knowing that I have been lying to millions of people every day.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/developer-rebuilds-wiped-vote-leave-website

Worth adding is, that Farage is a disgrace as a politician, he truly is.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36654901

We shall see. Interesting times, lie ahead.

@Serenity Now haha!
 
BTW, The Polish centre in Hammersmith was tagged last night with "Poles go Home" signs. . MossBoss, you say it's all in the press, in that case, it's next door to me. I saw it with my eyes, and I saw the face of the ordinary guy next to me , who happened to be Polish, with fear in his eyes. The fear that those people feel, when they send their kids to school, MossBoss , is not invented by the press, it's real. It may be an overreaction, nobody has been killed, but the atmosphere is pretty deleterious just now...
To conclude on a more optimistic note, 70 % of people in my borough voted to remain, and all my English friends are far more critical of the recent events than I am. Things will stabilize. The big Brexiters are nowohere to be seen, retropedalling already. All this is probably for nothing...

There you go again with your fear mongering and playing the racist card. Why not mention when racist incidents have happened, normal British people have gone round to repair the damage or help in a dozen ways? Doesn't fit your agenda? It is a time for healing, divisive people on both sides shouldn't be allowed to win.

One of the reasons the Remain lost how they tried to gain political capital out of the murder of an innocent MP. The argument implied was if you support Brexit you condone the murder of this woman. Now you are trying to lump the racists with the 52% of the people who have an opposite view to you.

British people are getting sick of liberals playing the racist card. I'm sure you know about the high profile cases of the police being too scared to investigate muslim gangs abusing hundreds of white girls in case they were branded 'racists'.

Your side lost. Brexit won. Nobody like a sore loser. Man up and try to be positive. When things have settled down, Britain will be a better place.
 
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There you go again with your fear mongering and playing the racist card. Why not mention when racist incidents have happened, normal British people have gone round to repair the damage or help in a dozen ways? Doesn't fit your agenda? It is a time for healing, divisive people on both sides shouldn't be allowed to win.

One of the reasons the Remain lost how they tried to gain political capital out of the murder of an innocent MP. The argument implied was if you support Brexit you condone the murder of this woman. Now you are trying to lump the racists with the 52% of the people who have an opposite view to you.

British people are getting sick of liberals playing the racist card. I'm sure you know about the high profile cases of the police being too scared to investigate muslim gangs abusing hundreds of white girls in case they were branded 'racists'.

Your side lost. Brexit won. Nobody like a sore loser. Man up and try to be positive. When things have settled down, Britain will be a better place.

Wow, I didn't realize what an emotional issue Brexit is. It seems to bring out quite a bit of passion on both sides.

Since I am an American, with both conservative and liberal views, depending on the issue, I view the controversy with no prior agenda whatsoever. I do not claim that this status gives me any particular advantage, except, perhaps seeing the situation more from a logical point of view, rather than an emotional.

MossBoss, to be fair, isn't it true that both sides resorted to a massive campaign of fear mongering, misinformation, and in some cases, downright lies? In other words, wasn't the whole process one of political manipulation-on both sides?

And to refute one of your points, didn't the murder occur rather late in the campaign? Even though you appear to be on the Leave camp, you seem to condemn the senseless murder.

I question your assertion that Brexit won and Remain lost.

As I see it, the entire UK, and perhaps the EU, lost. The country is divided and may never fully heal as the sore festers and festers.

One, then, has to ask- who benefits from this fiasco? And does either side support the forces that benefit?

God save the Queen. God save the UK.

The crucial decision now involves the healing of the nation.
 
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MossBoss, to be fair, isn't it true that both sides resorted to a massive campaign of fear mongering, misinformation, and in some cases, downright lies? In other words, wasn't the whole process one of political manipulation-on both sides?

Yes. 52% would say the Remain side lied the most. 48% would say the Leave side lied the most. Others on here are blinkered and are only interested their own little worlds.
 
This is a severe atrocity in making, and these people are allowed to roam freely, unchallenged, and probably will remain in the government. Blasphemy! These people have no honour whatsoever. I would not look myself in the mirror knowing that I have been lying to millions of people every day.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/developer-rebuilds-wiped-vote-leave-website

Worth adding is, that Farage is a disgrace as a politician, he truly is.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36654901

We shall see. Interesting times, lie ahead.

@Serenity Now haha!

"Severe atrocity" - really! Focus on your business and life. You can't change anything. Don't destroy yourself with hatred and rage. Seriously life is too short.
 
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As long as folks are reporting the financial/business woes Brexit has caused them, perhaps it is worth mentioning upsides too. So far I have done fairly well on the market fluctuations it caused. The panic sell right after the surprise results of the referendum (markets hate surprises) followed by the correction as the pros swooped in to take advantage of the buying opportunity (thus producing the "correction") has followed a classic and predictable pattern...easy to ride.

Tbh, I really know nothing about investing and markets...topic basically bores me, but I have a very old and very close friend who is *really* good at it, so he handles my investments and explains what he is doing to me when/if I ask. The previous paragraph is basically me paraphrasing what he told me.

To be clear, these are not British or even European stocks in general...just riding the hysteria followed by the return to calm rationality in US markets.

I think it is a good time to buy GBPs; they are on sale super-cheap! But my financial advisor pal does not approve of currency speculation...thinks it too volatile/risky/unpredictable, so I'll stay out of it.

-Ww
 
It seems to me that whatever the result, a large percentage of people would be dissatisfied or angry. When lines are drawn in the sand they divide people.

I truly hope everyone can begin the healing process soon, both within Britain, and within Europe. And within TAG too.
 
A bit more background for people out of the U.K. On the issue of lying, lets say the Brexiters lied more then the honest Remainers. It doesn't matter actually. As the Remainers weren't trusted by most Britsh people before the campaign even started. Check out the rogues gallery below. Millions would vote opposite to them to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

Remainers:
Goldman Sachs and other financial 'experts'. The same guys who said the UK would be a basket case if they kept out of the Euro. The UK's economy has since grown 35 percent. In contrast Italy's 2 percent.

Tony Blair and Meldelson; The lies about Iraq which led to 100,000's being killed. Including hundreds of British soldiers.

More below on their lies about immigration

Gordon Brown; Remember the old lady he called 'bigoted'.

Corbyn: people on his own party claimed he voted 'out'.

Merkel: No comments needed.

The Remain team also included various Hollywood based actors and the US based Beckhams. And Branson on his tax avoiding island.


Regards,

MossBoss


When Poland and other East European countries joined the EU in 2004, the Labour government claimed immigration would be 5,000 and 13,000 a year from those countries.

Within five years, more than a million East Europeans had arrived in this country, an annual average of 200,000.
 
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It seems to me that whatever the result, a large percentage of people would be dissatisfied or angry. When lines are drawn in the sand they divide people.

I truly hope everyone can begin the healing process soon, both within Britain, and within Europe. And within TAG too.

The French and Fins are making noises that stopping uncontrolled immigration is a possibility. That would be enough to satisfy most Brexiters. Merkel might not agree and she calls the shots so,..
 
Never thought this topic would take off the way it has.

Makes me wonder how many UK members we have.

Should we start a poll?

Maybe UK folks could post and identify their region.

Or, UK folks could just "like" this post, hehe.

What a cheap way to pad the likes!

Joking, can't believe my stats this week. I've paid a high price to do so in the house of pain.:borg:
 
TAG Manager,

I see you are online now.

What do you think of adding a poll with choices being the countries of the U.K.?
 
Merkel: No comments needed.

/yawn
It is fairly ok to hate Merkel. If an asteroid would fall on her head tomorrow, I would probably start getting religious.
But she really stayed quite on the Brexit issue and only ever expressed her hope that UK would stay. No lobbying whatsoever.
And yes she is probably responsible for the refugee crisis getting out of control, but that mainly affected Germany, not the UK who kept all borders closed.
Would be great if she would start calling shots, but that would imply that she had any vision or forward thinking. Sadly those qualities are completely absent. So don't worry, she will try to wait / sit things out. It's what she always does.
 
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