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2f:1m 3some Setup

Nothing against you or what you did but I can't help but think this was a 3P in the making....
It's ok I can take feedback / criticism.
But how to escalate? They dodged the dares. Also primary wouldn't hookup with the friend in the room.

Actually I'm in hotel with the primary of the 2 now. Talked generally about 3P. She said if another girl, then prefer someone who isn't her friend. I can broach it very bluntly - "next time I want to hook up with you and your friend, what do you think?" Any other suggestions?

In my mind I'm working on 4P. Recruiting a suitable friend.
 
The best thing about FFM threesomes is the girls doing each other honestly!

If you think you can please two girls by yourself, good luck. Most guys disappoint there.

Unless you are into seeing her play with her friend and she's into her friend, 2:2 might be better.

Also be careful with drinking games and erections.
What advice for female on female play can you share?
 
What advice for female on female play can you share?
Just the general stuff girls can do with each other. For women who experiment with girls for the first time, licking pussy can be too big of a deal so i'd just advise making out and playing with each other's boobs if girls are not so experienced.
 
If you think you can please two girls by yourself, good luck. Most guys disappoint there.
True. Toys, lube, and a very strong tongue can help. (y)
 
My advice - Don't try to be so devious and indirect about it. Talk to your gf and suggest that she talk to her friend about it in advance, at least as a possibility. Imo this approach will probably increase the chance of the FFM actually happening and will definitely decrease the probability of losing your gf and ending up having 1p M-only sex for a while!

-Ww

We have to assume that the poster knows his girlfriend better than we or any of us does. As in there might be something about her that he is picking up on, where he can't make a direct request.

With that stated, from my experiences and in swinger circles, Ww is mostly correct. You don't have to plan every detail with her (though you can be doing a lot of planning), but rather confirm that she is up for a 3P and the type, FFM or MMF. Some women are not as bi-curious or bi-sexual as her boyfriend would like. Instead of another woman, she could prefer another guy join her.

Another point is attractiveness. Women can get a bit weird here, where she has a certain preference for the type of woman in the bi-sexual escapade. It's best if the guy has an understanding of what type of women she is attractive to, and if she will be passive or more aggressive with the other woman.

Wwanderer said:
To perhaps be a bit clearer, I don't mean that I'd plan the whole thing out in detail in advance or anything of that sort, but I'd want to make sure that both women were comfortable/willing with the general idea in advance. Whether or not this makes it more or less likely to happen is debatable and probably depends a lot on the personalities of the women in question.

Ww is mostly correct, however there is a lot that the guy is going to have to "play by ear" or go with his "gut feeling". You can surprise your girlfriend with another bi-sexual woman, but both women (though this can be separately) having agreed to the idea of a 3P in advance is best.

Adding a male friend and making it a 4P.

This can fail terribly, because the other friend has no experience or the wrong type of personality to make it happen. Also, it can "divide" in ways that you don't want. Instead of a 4P, you get a 2P + 2P, as your pal simply tries to selfishly get off and get with the other woman. Instead of a orgy, if becomes a MMF type 3P. One woman gets really shy and leaves or just wants to watch, where both guys do the one adventurous woman.

4P tends to work, when your pal has another woman that is up for couple swapping (swinging) and she is bi-curious. Then you are more likely to get the 3P and 4P type combinations that you might be looking for.
 
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Cheers. The game isn't over yet.

Great, but I've lost track...

Which inning is it?

Are the bases loaded?

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And... what are the chances of a grand slam?

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Coincidentally I return today to report that this is mission complete. Last night.
Actually, I did discuss it lightly with my girl. Mostly innuendo, just plant the seed that something might go down.

So last night, my friend and the 2 girls in a fairly sweet pad. Started to play the ousama game that Sinapse recommended (good one). Didn't get far, actually my friend was the king first. Unfortunately I don't think I can say what his command was. Anyway my friend abruptly took my girl into a room! So that was kind of a deviation from the escalation plan. So I'm sitting there with the friend. Took her to another room.

I'm giving the watered down version. It was quite an epic night in several dimensions.
 
Way to seal the deal, ichi! Always wanted to try something like this, but I think there would be too much pressure. So much overthinking and worrying would make little J refuse to cooperate.

I guess that is what viagra is for...
 
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