Ana Intercontinental Tokyo - Girl Friendly?

[Blurr Sotong]

Hi
Will be staying at ANA Intercontinental Tokyo.
Understand it is near Roppongi..
Is this hotel girl friendly if I bring someone back?
Any info most welcome..

Thanks!

 

[cabbie]

I know it used to be. I picked up a Chinese free lancer in the lobby about 10 years ago. I haven't been there in a while though.

 

[meiji]

Hi
Will be staying at ANA Intercontinental Tokyo.
Understand it is near Roppongi..
Is this hotel girl friendly if I bring someone back?
Any info most welcome..

Thanks!

Most Japanese hotels are not officially 'girl friendly'. If you were to, say, take her up to the front counter to register her, they would require you to pay for double occupancy, and depending on the room might refuse her entry. However, most major hotels don't have elevators immediately next to the front desk, so bringing a girl back, or having a girl come up to your room in the case of deliheru, is usually not a logistical problem and it's not like the hotel is going to make a big stink about it unless you or your guest are causing a scene.

 

[Kitty Carr]

I've been there more than any of the other big hotels and never had an issue. As always, request that the girl dress in a way that won't draw undue attention and you should be fine.

I actually met a Japanese working girl in the lift in one of the Shinagawa business hotels at about 1am on my way home, and her clothes absolutely screamed (down to the fishnets and pleather boots). The staff were definitely giving her 白い目 (icy looks) in the lobby!

 

[Blurr Sotong]

Thanks... should not be a problem then! great!

 

[Wwanderer]

I've been bringing women to my room in a wide range of places - hotels with 3 to 5 stars, ordinary "business hotels", "serviced apartments", guest houses, private clubs and so forth on a regular basis for almost 20 years (before that I only did incall in Japan), and I only recall running into significant problems (meaning that my liaison had to be relocated to a nearby LH) once...maybe there was a second time, but I think that was in some other country. If you handle things with reasonable discretion and class, it should not be a concern, and even if you don't, it isn't likely to blow-up in your face. It will, however, reinforce the view of many Japanese that gaijin are ill-mannered and inconsiderate, so please do us all a favor and handle the matter in as low profile a manner as possible.

-Ww

 

[GoldenDalton]

I've been bringing women to my room in a wide range of places - hotels with 3 to 5 stars, ordinary "business hotels", "serviced apartments", guest houses, private clubs and so forth on a regular basis for almost 20 years (before that I only did incall in Japan), and I only recall running into significant problems (meaning that my liaison had to be relocated to a nearby LH) once...maybe there was a second time, but I think that was in some other country. If you handle things with reasonable discretion and class, it should not be a concern, and even if you don't, it isn't likely to blow-up in your face. It will, however, reinforce the view of many Japanese that gaijin are ill-mannered and inconsiderate, so please do us all a favor and handle the matter in as low profile a manner as possible.

-Ww

How strong is the anti- p4p stigma in Japan? I was walking around Fukuoka with my girlfriend a year or so ago and an older guy behind us started saying some things. She wouldn't translate but by his tone it seemed he was very angry. But it seemed like that was because this was obviously a neighborhood woman ( She had her Lawson's uniform on) out with a foreignerp. I wondered if p4p would carry the same kind of stigma.

I've met too many honorable and impressive Japanese men to go around shaming myself and others. I want those around me to gain face.

 

[Avocadolover]

How strong is the anti- p4p stigma in Japan? I was walking around Fukuoka with my girlfriend a year or so ago and an older guy behind us started saying some things. She wouldn't translate but by his tone it seemed he was very angry. But it seemed like that was because this was obviously a neighborhood woman ( She had her Lawson's uniform on) out with a foreignerp. I wondered if p4p would carry the same kind of stigma.

I've met too many honorable and impressive Japanese men to go around shaming myself and others. I want those around me to gain face.

I dont think there is any P4P stigma in Japan to speak of at all. P4P has a long history in Japan. However, with Japan being a quite homogenous country, foreigners stand out here, and like everywhere there are some people who don´t like foreigners. If the guy who made remarks about you was one of them, it was not because of P4P, it was because he did not like the idea of a pure Yamato woman being defiled by a hairy barbarian. That situation can occur, but it is very rare.

 

[Wwanderer]

My understandings are similar to AL's but not quite the same.

While p4p is MUCH less severely stigmatized in Japan than in the West, the negative cultural attitudes toward it still exist at a significant level. For example, Japanese sex workers are not likely to tell their families or their casual friends that they are working as an escort or whatever and may well keep it hidden from the boyfriends, current and future. Little girls don't tend to grow up with the ambition of becoming a prostitute in the same way that they might dream of becoming a nurse or a teacher or... Etc. And, as in the West, attitudes toward p4p vary quite a lot from person to person and place to place. An old guy on the street in Fukuoka is more likely to take a negative attitude than a young guy walking through, say, Shibuya.

In passing, there is also a long history of p4p in the West of course - "the world's oldest profession" and all that, and in some cases/cultures/times upscale working women ("courtesans" is perhaps the most relevant term for them) were not so badly regarded by most people.

In any case, GD was not describing a p4p situation in Fukuoka; he was walking with his gf, and I agree that the guy was most likely taking offense at the thought of "a pure Yamato woman being defiled by a hairy barbarian", as you put it...although who knows, could have been something else entirely. Maybe he doesn't like gaijin in general, regardless of whom they are with, or maybe he just hates Lawson's! But again I'd differ with you slightly in that I would not call his presumed dislike of seeing GD with a Japanese woman a "very rare" attitude; it is reasonably common (especially outside cosmopolitan areas such as Tokyo) imo. However, showing it and going so far as to make angry comments in the street is "very rare" (and sounds like drunken behavior to me); most Japanese display better manners and tend to "mind their own business" most of the time.

-Ww

 

[GoldenDalton]

My understandings are similar to AL's but not quite the same.

While p4p is MUCH less severely stigmatized in Japan than in the West, the negative cultural attitudes toward it still exist at a significant level. For example, Japanese sex workers are not likely to tell their families or their casual friends that they are working as an escort or whatever and may well keep it hidden from the boyfriends, current and future. Little girls don't tend to grow up with the ambition of becoming a prostitute in the same way that they might dream of becoming a nurse or a teacher or... Etc. And, as in the West, attitudes toward p4p vary quite a lot from person to person and place to place. An old guy on the street in Fukuoka is more likely to take a negative attitude than a young guy walking through, say, Shibuya.

In passing, there is also a long history of p4p in the West of course - "the world's oldest profession" and all that, and in some cases/cultures/times upscale working women ("courtesans" is perhaps the most relevant term for them) were not so badly regarded by most people.

In any case, GD was not describing a p4p situation in Fukuoka; he was walking with his gf, and I agree that the guy was most likely taking offense at the thought of "a pure Yamato woman being defiled by a hairy barbarian", as you put it...although who knows, could have been something else entirely. Maybe he doesn't like gaijin in general, regardless of whom they are with, or maybe he just hates Lawson's! But again I'd differ with you slightly in that I would not call his presumed dislike of seeing GD with a Japanese woman a "very rare" attitude; it is reasonably common (especially outside cosmopolitan areas such as Tokyo) imo. However, showing it and going so far as to make angry comments in the street is "very rare" (and sounds like drunken behavior to me); most Japanese display better manners and tend to "mind their own business" most of the time.

-Ww

is it similar to western racists who don't like white women going with black men? I personally don't understand the mentality of despising an interracial pairing, or even actively focusing on race quite so much.

What's funny is that the gf played me a little. Yes I had fun with her and I'm not angry in the slightest, however I did want a LTR with her at the time and I was surprised at how quickly she went through me then other guys, all foreigners strangely enough. Of course jealousy plays a role in how I see that.

It's kind of humorous that anyone would be so hellbent on preserving the "virtue" of a woman who actively chooses her lifestyle. She has so much expensive stuff- there's no way Lawson's pays that well.

I'm not criticizing. I dare say that I was smitten. I probably would have stayed with her even though she wanted an open relationship. I'm just saying that if anyone thinks she is this helpless maiden and I'm some kind of rapacious foreigner, they have the game wrong. She was the dominant party in the relationship.

 

[meiji]

is it similar to western racists who don't like white women going with black men? I personally don't understand the mentality of despising an interracial pairing, or even actively focusing on race quite so much.

While this isn't 100% accurate analogue, it's very close. There's the same sort of feelings of racial superiority and sexual inferiority there. It's pretty interesting to note that there's lots of relatively mainstream interracial Japanese porn where the JP girl sleeps with black guys, but you NEVER see Japanese-made porn where the JP girl sleeps with a white guy.

In terms of dating and P4P, you also have to consider that WWII is still pretty recent in the memory of the Japanese (not to mention the sizable number of US military bases that are still in Japan). The US occupied Japan until 1952 and Okinawa until 1972. At the beginning of the occupation there was a Japanese policy of 'volunteer' Japanese hookers servicing the US military. There's still quite a bit of sore feelings if not bruised egos.

 

[GoldenDalton]

While this isn't 100% accurate analogue, it's very close. There's the same sort of feelings of racial superiority and sexual inferiority there. It's pretty interesting to note that there's lots of relatively mainstream interracial Japanese porn where the JP girl sleeps with black guys, but you NEVER see Japanese-made porn where the JP girl sleeps with a white guy.

In terms of dating and P4P, you also have to consider that WWII is still pretty recent in the memory of the Japanese (not to mention the sizable number of US military bases that are still in Japan). The US occupied Japan until 1952 and Okinawa until 1972. At the beginning of the occupation there was a Japanese policy of 'volunteer' Japanese hookers servicing the US military. There's still quite a bit of sore feelings if not bruised egos.

Why are white men not desired as interracial porn actors?

 

[Wwanderer]

there's lots of relatively mainstream interracial Japanese porn where the JP girl sleeps with black guys, but you NEVER see Japanese-made porn where the JP girl sleeps with a white guy.

Absolutely true (of course), but some how it had never registered on me! A very interesting observation, meiji...thanks! It bears thinking about.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

What's funny is that the gf played me a little. Yes I had fun with her and I'm not angry in the slightest, however I did want a LTR with her at the time and I was surprised at how quickly she went through me then other guys, all foreigners strangely enough. Of course jealousy plays a role in how I see that.

It's kind of humorous that anyone would be so hellbent on preserving the "virtue" of a woman who actively chooses her lifestyle. She has so much expensive stuff- there's no way Lawson's pays that well.

I'm not criticizing. I dare say that I was smitten. I probably would have stayed with her even though she wanted an open relationship. I'm just saying that if anyone thinks she is this helpless maiden and I'm some kind of rapacious foreigner, they have the game wrong. She was the dominant party in the relationship.

The notion that sex implies romance is not nearly so strong in Japanese culture as in Western cultures. One of the consequences is decreased stigmatization of p4p. Another is that many Japanese women, especially educated, cosmopolitan young women, take an attitude toward sexual partners that resembles a classic Western male one - namely, wanting/seeking "bad girls for fun and a good girl to marry". This is the (horrible for women) madonna-whore-complex (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=madonna-whore complex) syndrome. In this context, it means that attractive young Japanese women are often comfortable seeing gaijin men for fun, financial "pampering", sexual pleasure and so forth whom they would never consider as serious romantic partners. They "use" gaijin guys without much feelings or commitment. At a *guess*, you may have run into such a young lady. If you listen to Solong, they are the norm, the large majority. I don't agree, but they certainly aren't rare in any case. There is really no problem with the situation, imo, as long as it does't blindside you.

-Ww

 

[GoldenDalton]

The notion that sex implies romance is not nearly so strong in Japanese culture as in Western cultures. One of the consequences is decreased stigmatization of p4p. Another is that many Japanese women, especially educated, cosmopolitan young women, take an attitude toward sexual partners that resembles a classic Western male one - namely, wanting/seeking "bad girls for fun and a good girl to marry". This is the (horrible for women) madonna-whore-complex (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=madonna-whore complex) syndrome. In this context, it means that attractive young Japanese women are often comfortable seeing gaijin men for fun, financial "pampering", sexual pleasure and so forth whom they would never consider as serious romantic partners. They "use" gaijin guys without much feelings or commitment. At a *guess*, you may have run into such a young lady. If you listen to Solong, they are the norm, the large majority. I don't agree, but they certainly aren't rare in any case. There is really no problem with the situation, imo, as long as it does't blindside you.

-Ww

That's true and I'm fine with dating women like that. I would even date the girl I mentioned earlier again, this time with no expectations. Really it was more of a " live and learn" experience rather than one of heartbreak.

To me it's just silly that some men are hellbent on defending the chaste honor of women who enjoy sex and and actively seek it out. It's not like we are going out with nuns or teenagers. Women like sex too despite what these guys think.

 

[Braajl]

Very friendly hotel. never had a problem in the last 8 years i have used the hotel. The elevator does not require key access. Further, if you do not want to access through the main lobby on level 2, please use the lobby at level 1 which is far more discreet.
Staying at the Ana hotel right now and planning for tonight.... Any good leads on reliable escort agencies?

 

[Zaphod222]

My understandings are similar to AL's but not quite the same.
While p4p is MUCH less severely stigmatized in Japan than in the West, the negative cultural attitudes toward it still exist at a significant level. For example, Japanese sex workers are not likely to tell their families or their casual friends that they are working as an escort or whatever and may well keep it hidden from the boyfriends, current and future. Little girls don't tend to grow up with the ambition of becoming a prostitute in the same way that they might dream of becoming a nurse or a teacher or... Etc

Well, I think THAT is something that you can say even about countries where P4P is legal, like Germany and Australia. That is simply in the nature of the business. Face it, by its nature it has a number of particular drawbacks, and also it is usually not something that offers life-long employment.
But Japan is blissfully free of the moral guilt load that Judeo-Christian cultures (not to mention som that are worse) puts on P4P.

 

[Zaphod222]

Very friendly hotel. never had a problem in the last 8 years i have used the hotel. The elevator does not require key access. Further, if you do not want to access through the main lobby on level 2, please use the lobby at level 1 which is far more discreet.
Staying at the Ana hotel right now and planning for tonight.... Any good leads on reliable escort agencies?

If you speak zero Japanese, the standard answer for this would the holy trinity of "Asian Mystique", "Club Boo", and "Nasty Dolls". There are millions of other options, but they all require a bit of Japanese communication.

 

[Zaphod222]

Why are white men not desired as interracial porn actors?

I am not an expert on Japanese (or any) porn, but assuming the premise is true, I think the explanation is that blacks are generally seen as great dancers, entertainers, and sex machines. So a J-actress taking on a black guy would be seen more as an interesting challenge, while white guys are seen more as serious competition to the male population here.

You have to consider the demographics in Japan to understand that. There is no mass immigration by unqualified, poor foreigners here. Most of the white foreigners are either rich expats are at least semi-respected English teachers. And there is only a handful of blacks, who can often market themselves as a curiosity. (I think only in Japan you will totally incompetent guys who get into serious MMA tournaments simply because they are black, and after being beaten up a bit seemlessly return to a career on TV making funny faces. Google for Bobby Ologun or Bob Sapp to see examples.)