Bettina (independant - Kind Of)

[Barry44]

Title: Bettina, Review, Rant and Request

Date/Time: July 2014
Provider: Bettina AM (but i contacted her through another website)
Contact Info: escortserv.com (follow the link to the Tokyo page)
Type/Location: Escort/ Tokyo
Language Specifics: Good English
Session Length/Fee: 2 hours 25000
Physical Description: Her pics on escortserv.com are taken in a very good way, her truer reflection are the pictures on Asian Mystique. She has nice soft skin but she`s carrying a few rolls of puppy fat on her belly and thighs. Nice breasts. Multiple Tattoos
Details: So after years (literally) of umming and arring. I finally decided that I would go with an escort. After a few more years of researching/reading/contacting etc I finally found what seemed like a good fit with Bettina. At the time I booked her I thought she was an independent but I now realize that she is also listed with AM.

A little background - I`m a really happily married guy and have been for years. Deep down though I`m the kind of guy who will definitely touch a bench if it says `don`t touch - wet paint`. So since about 7 years ago I`ve really wanted to pay for some time with a lady. the whole fantasy being the act of paying itself I guess. After 7 years of fighting myself I finally decided that I would, just to get it out of my system. However the whole process has left me a bit deflated.

Here`s why:- We meet at the station and had a 5 minute walk to the hotel. I`m already a bit sad that shes not as good looking as the pictures (or my wife) but I`m still bang up for a bit of a romp, and fully thinking "this was a great idea". We get into the hotel room and there is about 15 minutes of her lying on the bed looking at her phone, amicable chatting and waiting for the room to become colder. I`m sat on the chair at this point and we are having a nice chat but I`m concerned things aren't going to plan. Then I say right I`m gonna get a shower because its hot. She says "ok, I`m not" so I have a shower by myself, gutted there is no shower action. Come back out and lay on the bed. She changes into a dressing gown and lays down next to me.

20 second hand job
45 second blow job
and shes reaching for the condom.

She cant put it on because I'm not hard, so then she straddles me and tries to thumb it in. Not working. So then she said you go on top. So I spend a few seconds working myself up and then when I`m ready I try and enter. She has basically pulled her knees up to her chin, strapped herself in with her arms and closed her eyes. In goes the wee fella, but its just a bit weird. "dont be too long" were the only words of encouragement I got from her. Luckily I wasn`t as despite this her ladybox felt great (but I`m thinking great in the way that one of those masturbation tubes would be great). We finish up, she slides the dressing gown back on. 40 minutes in to the date, about 7 minutes of total action. Basically thats it. I told her that I felt pretty good about what happened, was glad that I got the urge to pay for play out of my system and we could call it a day. She jumped up ultra quick and we were out the door. I didn't know my way back to the station so we walked together in silence, then about 60m before the station she just took off. Weird.

I honestly don't think it was me. I`m fairly average looking, we had a nice talk on the way to the hotel and in the room. I don't even mind paying the full 2 hours for our session. I genuinely have no hard feelings towards Bettina and I`m sure other people will think she`s great. I just feel a bit crushed by it all. Or were my expectations too high?

Recommendation: Yes because she is nice enough and has everything going for her and clearly if shes in the mood I think she would be a good lay but also No because in the main it was rubbish. The best thing I learnt today was that I realized how much I enjoy having sex with the wife.

Request: To anyone else of experience, can you help me?

I`m keen to try again as i have an idea of what I should be experiencing. I dont want a GFE, I think I need to be serviced (Does that make sense?) There is a great video on ero-video.net called デリバリーSEX アナタの自宅に希志あいのをお届けします I`m looking for this experience. Not the hotness of the girl (though that would be great), but the casual/flippant attitude towards getting the job done. I want her to be thinking "Isn't it fun making this guy shoot his load over my breasts".

Ive already lined up 2 girls. One is the German girl from AM and another is an independent from tokyo.backpages. Miss Vivienne. I`m sure Mia will be fine but I worry that she wont have that `service` nature that comes with Japanese girls. Miss Vivienne worries me utterly but she`s clearly hot, I also told her I would walk if she wasnt the girl in the pictures. to which she replied no problem, so shes quite confident that she is the girl.

My concern is that they both might be like today's experience. Does anyone have any recommendations for a girl that will spend the whole session getting the job done and just generally being up for it without being a GFE. Ideally it would be an escort as I want to cancel out today's session, and then move on with my life.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to anyone's input hopefully

 

[lotus]

Barry,
what a terrible experience. I have had a few meetings with girls, but this never happened to me. Some girls were a bit cold, but most were nice and caring. Always they went the agreed time, and the girl was with me, and doing things for me. Passivley lying on the bed, texting, never happened. I like cuddling and kissing after the act.
There are three providers that belong to the same group (they exchange info and refer to the other two, too) that cater different types of girls
http://www.jk-style.tv for 18-25 y/o 'student' types
http://ol-style.tv/ for 20-28 y/o OL type
http://www.erouto-style.net/ for generally busty and more adventurous girls (3some, etc).
FS is usually not included, but their HJ, bj and sumata is usually great!
Pls contact me directly if you need more specific info about specific girls.

 

[RIDER 00]

Hey Barry44,

Thanks for the post. Sorry about your bad experience. It's kind of similiar to my first escort experience.

I too, am a happily married man, but for years I have always wanted to experiece sex with other women (especially sex professionals).
My first and only experience has been my wife, as I never got the chance to fool around with hot high school/college girls and had no frame of reference for how good I/she was in bed.

Your experience was typicall of many escort/fuzoku exeriences where you really don't know how good a girl is in bed until you fork over some money and bang them, and, in your case, your girl turned out to be a dud. I guess my advice to you would be to check previous reviews of the girl you want to sleep with and pick only the ones with good reviews. If there are no reviews of the girl in question, then you should expect things to not go as planned but hope for the best.

My first escort was an indepedent named Kyoko who I chose only because her picture was very similar to this hot JAV idol I always wanted to bang. However, the person who showed up was in her mid 40s with saggy boobs and very bad smoker breath. Her hand job and blowjob technique were good, but she would not return any of my kisses, which was a huge turn off. Also, when I was banging her she was basically unresponsive with little moaning or encouragement, so my erection just died out and the session ended with no pop.

Hope you have better luck next time.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Barry (and Lotus, Rider, et al)-

That experience sounds awful. Don't let it turn you away from the hobby. Just take it as an indication that reviews are your best friend when planning for future dates. If you guys don't mind, I'd like to discuss my first time with an escort. Not bragging or anything- many times it's hit or miss and that has nothing to do with the guy in question, but due to the escort's skill and experience. It's research before hand that's vital here. Once you've been at it a while then you can to try out new experiences- you don't want to take that kind of risk your first time though, if you don't mind me offering my humble opinion.

I'll describe my first time in a second post.

 

[GoldenDalton]

My first time was with the legendary Manami. I chose her after reading several dozen reviews/websites, etc. My main reason for researching this was that I did not want to get caught and get deported. The police bust guys right and left in the U.S. and I thought that would be the case in Japan. I was also worried about being set up or robbed. Fortunately Japan is much different!

I've only dated one true professional model. Manami was like being with her, only without all the downsides (arrogance, demanding, guys constantly trying to fight you, etc.)

The first thing Manami did in the love hotel was initiate a shower. I was nervous but she complimented my @&$" and them led me into the shower. She washed me, the started with the oral, which was the second best I've had (gotta give props to my obese girlfriend from my low self esteem , 11th grade days lol).

We then went to the bed. Because it was my first time I was VERY nervous. "Pretend like I'm your girlfriend" is what she said to calm me. Then she got on top of me and I have to say that if tasted, smelled, felt, and sounded about as good as sex can.

After that we were on the bed talking. I asked her a lot of questions about Japan- to which she was very gracious, very eager to discuss. Her intellect impressed me. She also made me feel relaxed. She seemed like she was into me the entire time. I know that it's somewhat fake, but a man desperately wants to believe- and she does everything possible to steer you in that direction. We went at it a second time, followed by more chatter. Then a third.

When it was time to go she took the money and thanked me profusely in Japanese- which made me want her more.

Then we exited the hotel and walked me back to my hotel. She kissed me and we parted.

 

[Nikkei Guy]

7 years of planning and you get shortchanged. You definitely need to do your research and get the full treatment next time. I personally go for the gfe with the kissing and cuddling.

 

[psd]

That experience sounds awful. Don't let it turn you away from the hobby. Just take it as an indication that reviews are your best friend when planning for future dates.

Yeah, I have to second that. I'm quite exasperated that after all this time you went with someone with no reviews. I know the feeling when you've felt really bad about a meeting, although I'm not married.

Practically any girl at a Japanese health place, Happy Berry etc would have given you a great time, (FS unlikely) not to mention the well reviewed girls here.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Yeah, I have to second that. I'm quite exasperated that after all this time you went with someone with no reviews. I know the feeling when you've felt really bad about a meeting, although I'm not married.

Practically any girl at a Japanese health place, Happy Berry etc would have given you a great time, (FS unlikely) not to mention the well reviewed girls here.

Exactly!
It's not my place to tell the OP what to do, and I don't know his tastes-

But if my impression about what you want- that you want solid, genuine GFE- it sounds like Eri of Asian Mystique might be a good suggestion.

A disclaimer though: I have actually not met her yet. But I've heard consistent reviews from men I trust that she's one of the sweetest, kindest, most caring providers in Tokyo- and that she has a great body and face to boot.

I've also heard similar descriptions about Kitty, who sometimes posts here, though also with her I'm not actually familiar personally.

Just some suggestions if you really want the GFE to be emphasized.

I definitely don't mean to offend or step sideways here; I just know that I was in your position at one point ( as we all were) and I really benefited from other gentlemen's advice with all of this.

Just my 2 cents- take it with a grain of salt.

Finally I strongly agree with psd ( don't know why it had misspelled earlier- my phone sucks) that delivery health would be great for you if you just wanted oral and Sumata. If you want full service you should try Eri or Kitty. Or Kansai Sayuri/ one of Sayuri's associates.

 

[Barry44]

Hello,

Thanks for the feedback. It all makes sense what your saying. Thinking about it, there was no good reason to go with her other than............ she answered her emails promptly. Ah well never mind. I`ll try something new next week and report back.

 

[Kitty Carr]

Barry, I was just browsing the forum for the first time in a while and read your post. I'm the Kitty a couple of guys mentioned (thanks guys! ). Please feel free to check out my profile, which has a link to my site.

Now, that said: reading reviews like this seriously makes me angry. I'm a perfectionist in most things I do, and so it's of paramount importance to me that I'm the best at what I do, both to satisfy my intense competitiveness and to make sure my client is happy. It's not rocket science that satisfied clients are good for business. Agency girls can get away with a few bad sessions because they're high volume; independents make or break on stellar reviews and regular clients.

And so for all these reasons it absolutely blows my mind that some so-called 'independent' girls think it's OK to treat a client the way you were treated. I want to reach in and slap her through the monitor. It's just so disrespectful, and so far from what good escorting - be it the full GFE or just a fun PSE quickie - is about. It makes all independents look bad.

This may be my British hatred of social awkwardness in all forms coming out, but I also personally couldn't handle being in a room and knowing that my client knew he was getting bad service and was probably hating me on some level. She must have the thickest skin in Japan.

 

[Solong]

If the agreement was for 2 hours and she tries to speed out of there in 1 hour, guys should demand to pay only HALF or request half their money back.

Part of the problem is guys not arguing the point and allowing women to take advantage of them. More guys need to make it very clear, 1/2 the time, then 1/2 the money. Maybe guys need to push for 1/2 the pay at the beginning and 1/2 the pay at the end or no payment until finished.

P4P providers that don't stick to their agreement are CHEATING their customers. It's often indicative of their attitude towards sex too. Time cheaters tend to be bad at sex too.

From what I've seen in Japan, most P4P women try to get their money up front. Once they get their money, they no longer give a damn about the customer or service. They have no honor and no commitment to developing sexual skills for their job.

They try to do the MINIMUM they can get away with for the SHORTEST amount of time, then they are running out or pushing the guy out.

A method that has PROVEN to work on several occassions, is you put the money on top of a drawer or table, and say that goes untouched until the 2 hours is up. This way she has more inspiration to provide good service for the agreed amount of time.

Another method, which can be used with the above, is to flush out cheating type P4P providers beforehand. Ask her to agree to the full 2 hours (or whatever time limit) up front and 1/2 the amount if only 1 hour. The P4P will often commit or reconfirm the time as guaranteed, or not want to come. If she doesn't want to garantee full time or refuses 1/2 pay for shorter time, she is doing you a favor.

Often she may say 2 hours or until you cum, as a trick to cheat you out of time. So the guy must be clear that it's 2 hours and irregardless of if you cum. You are paying for TIME and not per male orgasm.

 

[Mr Cat]

Bettina once was on craigslist, i contacted her and she explained a BS story about her being a student on holidays in japan to visit her family. She was extremely complicated to deal with, not accomodating at all, it went to the point that we scheduled to meet but in the end i cancelled on the same day because i felt something was odd with her. It felt like she was not likely to deliver a good service as in all our communication she appeared minda selfish.

Reading your experience im glad i havent wasted time and money on her.

 

[Kitty Carr]

Solong: it's standard practice to pay the girl up front, and makes absolute sense in terms of her safety and peace of mind (after all, what can she do if the client decides to just leave without paying?). However, I completely agree about asking for your money back if the girl doesn't stay for the time agreed. It's a totally different thing if the client decides to end the appointment early because he's satisfied and wants a beer and a nap in peace (it has happened to me: I tend to wear guys out ), but guys, don't be ashamed of bringing up the agreed time if she attempts to leave an hour or even half an hour early and you're not done yet.

 

[TAG Manager]

Guys, is the same Bettina?

http://www.tokyochicks.net/escorts/48213

I'm fairly sure it is, but I just want to double check. A member was asking about this girl and while I'm confident, there's always room for an extra confirmation.

Ping @Barry44 - Since you were the OP.

 

[just4fun]

Thanks for the warning on Bettina. I had been talking to her and asked for some help from TAG! After reading this I'm saving myself some money and a bad experience. What a great site this is.
Barry, how was Miss Vivian? I've tried backpages a couple of times but have never gotten a reply........I'm wondering if it's just me

 

[Mr Cat]

Guys, is the same Bettina?

http://www.tokyochicks.net/escorts/48213

I'm fairly sure it is, but I just want to double check. A member was asking about this girl and while I'm confident, there's always room for an extra confirmation.

Ping @Barry44 - Since you were the OP.

Yes that's the one.

 

[TAG Manager]

Yes that's the one.

Thank you!

 

[Solong]

Oh, this story will now get even better.

This Bettina is on the dating website POF. She is MIRAKURU82. Her occupation is 'event coordinator'. LOL!

As mirakuru82, she pretends to at first be a regular woman, then wants you to agree to meet her, she suddenly requests for MONEY. This female is a total SCAM artist.

 

[just4fun]

I mailed her and told her no thanks because I got a real bad review if her......she was rather fine with it......said have a nice day

 

[Barry44]

Yeah that's her.

Just to be clear, I don't think she's a bad or dishonest person. She's just rubbish at what she's chosen to do in my opinion. I am speaking from limited experience though

just4fun - I never met miss Vivian. I did talk her down from 60000 to 35000 and though that was exciting, it also sent up a few red flags. In the end I cancelled the night before, I just wasn't motivated enough.

New plan - save some money for Kitty in October (don't retire before then please Kitty). That should give me two positives to Bettina's negative. Then if I have a shitty time with a lady after Kitty, at least I've got that positive in the bank to balance everything out.

 

[Solong]

Solong: it's standard practice to pay the girl up front, and makes absolute sense in terms of her safety and peace of mind (after all, what can she do if the client decides to just leave without paying?). However, I completely agree about asking for your money back if the girl doesn't stay for the time agreed. It's a totally different thing if the client decides to end the appointment early because he's satisfied and wants a beer and a nap in peace (it has happened to me: I tend to wear guys out ), but guys, don't be ashamed of bringing up the agreed time if she attempts to leave an hour or even half an hour early and you're not done yet.

Yes, experienced pros usually want to be paid up front and right away. However putting the money on the desk and bringing up the time agreed on has also proven effective. Even many pros are fine with that style and take the cash afterwards, not before, or acknowledge the time agreed upon if they take the cash right away.

Also not all women are high level pros, and many amateur and part-timers appear fine with this style as well.

 

[Kitty Carr]

New plan - save some money for Kitty in October (don't retire before then please Kitty). That should give me two positives to Bettina's negative. Then if I have a shitty time with a lady after Kitty, at least I've got that positive in the bank to balance everything out.

I'm not exactly unbiased, but... good plan! No retirement on the horizon while I'm still young, horny and limber. I promise you I will erase every last awkward memory of that encounter, or I'll cancel my kink.com subscription as penance.

 

[Solong]

Yeah that's her.

Just to be clear, I don't think she's a bad or dishonest person. She's just rubbish at what she's chosen to do in my opinion. I am speaking from limited experience though

just4fun - I never met miss Vivian. I did talk her down from 60000 to 35000 and though that was exciting, it also sent up a few red flags. In the end I cancelled the night before, I just wasn't motivated enough.

New plan - save some money for Kitty in October (don't retire before then please Kitty). That should give me two positives to Bettina's negative. Then if I have a shitty time with a lady after Kitty, at least I've got that positive in the bank to balance everything out.

She is dishonest. She is/was on dating websites trying to get customers. She LIES about who she is and what she is doing.

 

[Barry44]

@Solong

I can only do a review of the person I contacted and subsequently met. In all of our interactions I never felt like there was any dishonesty. I never saw her on dating websites, therefore I can`t say she is dishonest can I?

 

[TAG Manager]

@Solong

I can only do a review of the person I contacted and subsequently met. In all of our interactions I never felt like there was any dishonesty. I never saw her on dating websites, therefore I can`t say she is dishonest can I?

You're correct Barry, Solong's comment should be viewed as independent from yours.

Worse things have been done; at least she's using her own pictures and it very well could be a YMMV situation.

I'm tempted to send her an email and ask her a few questions....