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[tinsoldier]

Good point about the first time. I was more thinking of P4P encounters. I obviously need to get out more and have some more non-pro casual sex (seriously!).

Vaginal muscle control is a great point too. I certainly didn't know how to clench and relax on purpose when I was less experienced, so it is something that has to be practiced. Those eggs or balls that you put in there are great for that, but you can just as easily practice 'empty' sitting in your office chair. Which I am doing right now as I write about it.

Question if your still around. If a girls vagina suddenly tightens around my cock and all other signs indicate orgasm is it safe to assume shes not faking? I guess i am asking you if yours tightens up during orgasm.

 

[User#8628]

Question if your still around. If a girls vagina suddenly tightens around my cock and all other signs indicate orgasm is it safe to assume shes not faking? I guess i am asking you if yours tightens up during orgasm.

She could flex her muscles to fake an orgasm if she's a good faker but it's also something that happens with a real orgasm so could very well be real.

 

[Wwanderer]

Tightening of vaginal muscles is not very hard to fake. A better indication is other muscle tremors/trembling (often right after the peak of the orgasm)...shakes n her legs/thighs. These are typically faster than most people can fake with voluntary actions, though maybe with practice... Probably the hardest sign to fake is a strong flush (reddening of the skin) between the neck and breasts right after an orgasm; it would take yogi level control of your body to fake that. It can be hard to see on dark skinned people or in the dark (obviously). A racing heartbeat/pulse that takes a while to get back to normal is another good indicator.

-Ww

 

[Solong]

She could flex her muscles to fake an orgasm if she's a good faker but it's also something that happens with a real orgasm so could very well be real.

This is possible, but... 2 reasons, that might not be so obvious, and particularly for guys that had previous orgasmic sex-friends/girlfriends.

1) The muscle contractions tend to feel more spasmic.

This is rapid involuntary muscle contractions, versus controlled ones. It's possible for a man to feel the difference with his penis. However, each woman's vagina is different, so it might not be possible to feel her muscles contract in every case.

2) Women with high level vaginal muscle control, arguably are less likely to fake.

Maybe she fakes because it's a customer that's going on too long for her liking, but if she having sex for pleasure, her muscle control can mean she's in the group that's more likely to orgasm.

 

[DJV]

Tightening of vaginal muscles is not very hard to fake. A better indication is other muscle tremors/trembling (often right after the peak of the orgasm)...shakes n her legs/thighs. These are typically faster than most people can fake with voluntary actions, though maybe with practice... Probably the hardest sign to fake is a strong flush (reddening of the skin) between the neck and breasts right after an orgasm; it would take yogi level control of your body to fake that. It can be hard to see on dark skinned people or in the dark (obviously). A racing heartbeat/pulse that takes a while to get back to normal is another good indicator.

-Ww

You meant "blush" right ? Or is it a Flush in a Seaplane ?

 

[Solong]

Tightening of vaginal muscles is not very hard to fake. A better indication is other muscle tremors/trembling (often right after the peak of the orgasm)...shakes n her legs/thighs. These are typically faster than most people can fake with voluntary actions, though maybe with practice... Probably the hardest sign to fake is a strong flush (reddening of the skin) between the neck and breasts right after an orgasm; it would take yogi level control of your body to fake that. It can be hard to see on dark skinned people or in the dark (obviously). A racing heartbeat/pulse that takes a while to get back to normal is another good indicator.

-Ww

Pretending to tremble from an orgasm is something that can be faked. Porn actresses, for example, will try to pull this at times. Though it does requires a bit more acting skills to be convincing at it.

Muscle tension is something a bit harder to fake, when it corresponds to the sexual action. Often before an orgasm, a woman will tense up her muscles in various ways. Clinch her toes tightly, make a fist, bite down on her lip a bit, squeeze her stomach muscles, etc...

Something that women who do fake, that tends to give them away or make guys with experience suspicious, is "verbal or vocal" orgasms. That is, saying she will cum or has cum, but nothing else about her appears to match or indicate such.

 

[Wwanderer]

The muscle contractions tend to feel more spasmic.

Yes, that is what I was describing as trembling or tremors. It is harder to get right than just squeezing.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

You meant "blush" right ? Or is it a Flush in a Seaplane ?

Nope, I typed and meant "flush". Both "flush" and "blush" are English words and have related meanings. I believe that a blush only means a reddening of the face, whereas a flush can affect other parts of the body. A blush also connotes embarrassment, but a flush can be caused by other strong emotions, including anger. Basically a blush is a kind of a flush.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Some of the harder-to-fake symptoms/effects of orgasms, such as the upper torso flush or the trembling, only occur or are only noticeable for particularly strong orgasms. In other words, if you notice these, she probably did have a real orgasm, but if you don't, it doesn't necessarily mean that she is faking.

I have a vivid memory of a lover who had one of the strongest female orgasms I've ever witnessed and then got a "case" of trembling all over so intense that it sort of freaked her out. Even her lips were trembling so much that she had trouble speaking clearly.

I once read some explanation of the trembling that I don't recall clearly at all, but it is somehow akin to the trembles people get when they are in shock...something like an adrenalin overload. Men can get the trembles too, and I have occasionally.

-Ww

 

[Solong]

Yes, that is what I was describing as trembling or tremors. It is harder to get right than just squeezing.

-Ww

I meant this differently. This is where her vaginal muscles contract uncontrollably. It's like when us guys have an orgasm, and we feel muscle contractions in our penis as we ejaculate. The corresponding thing can happen when women orgasm.

Sometimes a guy can feel this with his penis. Also, her anus muscles will contract too. So if you are doing her doggy style, you might can see this happening.

With trembling, it's like when the woman's legs shake. Some women try to fake this and pretend that's an orgasm. However, when some women are acting, they can exaggerate this, where it's suspicious. Plus the totality of her behavior can be off.

 

[Wwanderer]

I meant this differently. This is where her vaginal muscles contract uncontrollably. It's like when us guys have an orgasm, and we feel muscle contractions in our penis as we ejaculate. The corresponding thing can happen when women orgasm.

Sometimes a guy can feel this with his penis. Also, her anus muscles will contract too. So if you are doing her doggy style, you might can see this happening.

Ahhh...I see. Yeah, I know what you mean...and agree that it is different. For one thing, and as you say, it is more right before and during, rather than after. I suspect that it is easier to fake than the afterwards trembling.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

I think those FitBit things people wear to exercise could be used as a fake-orgasm detector...don't they give heart/pulse rates? The thought just crossed my mind.

Fwiiw, I think it is a bit silly for guys to obsess over fake orgasms and detecting them.

-Ww

 

[R.O.B]

I'll have go back and re-read Mary Roach's 'Bonk' about female orgasms, but in my very limited experience a real orgasm (and of course I am sure there are variations) seems immediately preceded by three things (1) small torso shudders in a wave (2) a sort of lock down of movement for a bit (3) all hell break loose (add aftershocks). (1) and (2) can be recycled. OMG do I love simple arithmetic! And also the neck blush as Ww said, but it is not always obvious esp. from where I will usually be at the time! Recently enjoyed the company of a gal who enjoyed double digital insert locations and internal contractions are obvious.

 

[Solong]

Fwiiw, I think it is a bit silly for guys to obsess over fake orgasms and detecting them.

-Ww

Actually, guys should be very concerned if the woman is faking orgasms. Such fake behavior is possibly indicative of:

1) A woman trying to deceive you in general

If so, what else might she be dishonest about? Could be she's conning and cheating you in other areas too.

2) Sex won't improve

When a woman is faking, she's denying the opportunity of him or HERSELF, to figure out possible ways for her to really orgasm during sex with a partner.

 

[Sinapse]

Actually, guys should be very concerned if the woman is faking orgasms. Such fake behavior is possibly indicative of:

1) A woman trying to deceive you in general

If so, what else might she be dishonest about? Could be she's conning and cheating you in other areas too.

2) Sex won't improve

When a woman is faking, she's denying the opportunity of him or HERSELF, to figure out possible ways for her to really orgasm during sex with a partner.

Alternatively, maybe she just likes you and wants you to feel like a component lover

 

[Anna Summer]

Alternatively, maybe she just likes you and wants you to feel like a component lover

Or maybe she simply doesn't want to orgasm. Can happen too

 

[Wwanderer]

Actually, guys should be very concerned if the woman is faking orgasms. Such fake behavior is possibly indicative of:

1) A woman trying to deceive you in general

If so, what else might she be dishonest about? Could be she's conning and cheating you in other areas too.

That makes little sense from my perspective. I have been consistently treated so fairly, kindly, honestly, unselfishly and geneally well by so many women (but not every single one) for over 50 years now, that it would seem "excessively paranoid" (if I may borrow a phrase you often use) to be on the alert for signs that a woman is conning or cheating me. I take my partners to be innocent until proven guilty, to be good and trustworthy people until/unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary.

2) Sex won't improve

When a woman is faking, she's denying the opportunity of him or HERSELF, to figure out possible ways for her to really orgasm during sex with a partner.

I agree with you that it is unwise for women to fake orgasms. They do themselves, their partners and the future lovers of their partners all a disservice when they fake it. However, I still don't think men should worry about it too much (note that I said "obsess" in my previous message), because ultimately it is a woman's call how she wants to behave in bed, and it is not for the guy to call her on it if he thinks she is faking. Whether she is or isn't, telling her that you think she is faking will rarely please her and may get quite a bad reaction, especially since there is an excellent chance that she was doing it to please you...very ungentlemanly and rude to confront her about it, imo.

-Ww

 

[Sinapse]

I take my partners to be innocent until proven guilty, to be good and trustworthy people until/unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary.

Additionally, I think whatever you assume, people end up being like that (generally, not always). Assume people will behave poorly, and they'll live up to your expectations just like a teacher thinking or calling a kid the bad kid makes it so. I think people who believe others will behave well attract and bring out the best in others

 

[Wwanderer]

Additionally, I think whatever you assume, people end up being like that (generally, not always). Assume people will behave poorly, and they'll live up to your expectations just like a teacher thinking or calling a kid the bad kid makes it so. I think people who do this attract and bring out the best in others

Absolutely fucking dead-on correct! I couldn't agree more.

I have said this many times in discussions with @Solong and others on TAG and elsewhere. The self-fulfilling nature of expectations about people can hardly be overstated and understanding that is one of the most important keys to a happy life, imo.

-Ww

 

[Solong]

Absolutely fucking dead-on correct! I couldn't agree more.

I have said this many times in discussions with @Solong and others on TAG and elsewhere. The self-fulfilling nature of expectations about people can hardly be overstated and understanding that is one of the most important keys to a happy life, imo.

-Ww

So like when a guy is robbed or woman is raped, they brought on themselves or it happened because of assumptions they made? Or maybe people act like X, regardless.

I'm not saying we don't influence each other, but I'm saying the person who has the biggest influence on our actions, is ourselves.

So, if it's his or her personality to cheat, lie, steal, etc... Then that's what they will do.

 

[Wwanderer]

So like when a guy is robbed or woman is raped, they brought on themselves or it happened because of assumptions they made? Or maybe people act like X, regardless.

I'm not saying we don't influence each other, but I'm saying the person who has the biggest influence on our actions, is ourselves.

So, if it's his or her personality to cheat, lie, steal, etc... Then that's what they will do.

People aren't that simple; it is not all of one (expectations, say) and none of the other (personality or inherent character)...obviously, I would have thought.

You can''t turn someone into a murderer or rapist just by expecting them to be one. But most people are capable of a range of behaviors, both good and bad. Indeed the vast majority of people are not only capable of very different behaviors but in fact behave very differently in different circumstances. What your expectations can do is affect their circumstances and thus influence (often strongly) whether they behave toward the positive or negative end of their range.

Fwiiw, there is a VAST amount of psychological research validating the impact of expectations on behavior; @Sinapse alluded to a little of it in the context of teachers and students.

-Ww

 

[just4fun]

Why would a PUA care whether it's a fake orgasm or not. Isn't like "one and done" in most cases?

 

[Solong]

Why would a PUA care whether it's a fake orgasm or not. Isn't like "one and done" in most cases?

You are projecting and attributing a negative belief to PUA that's not based on fact.

Women are often the ones who do "one and done". Reasons like to hide that she is cheating on a boyfriend or husband, foolish fears that others will find out she had sex, or that she is ashamed of her sexuality or being too "sexual".

A PUA, who enjoys sex with the woman he met, can be highly motivated to keep her around for a while. Throwing women away is starting over a difficult process for men. It's difficult for men to get sex. It's easy for women to get sex. Therefore, in modern times, women are more likely to do "once and run".

 

[Anna Summer]

Women are often the ones who do "one and done". Reasons like to hide that she is cheating on a boyfriend or husband, foolish fears that others will find out she had sex, or that she is ashamed of her sexuality or being too "sexual".

From my experience it's most likely that the guy is just not good at sex and therefore not worth it to repeat. It's not only the women being too 'ashamed' of what she's been doing or so.

It seems like that the women always get represented bad from PUA's for whatever reason

 

[Sinapse]

Why would a PUA care whether it's a fake orgasm or not. Isn't like "one and done" in most cases?

Pickup means improving your communication with women. Some guys want many women, some just want a girlfriend. So no, there's no correlation. Even if it is one and done some guys like to please. You might similarly be able to say if a guy is p4p why would he care about pleasing the girl?