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Considering going with a 19 year old SB. Is this madness?

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I've read the full age of consent in Japan is 20. For a 19 year old seeing an above 20 the older guy could be in trouble if the parents did not approve (which they obviously wouldnt, if they found out).

Can any one shed some light on the Japanese '3-tier' age of consent laws? What is the worst that can happen? Deportation? Prison? Telling the wife? ;)

I guess I really just have to walk away from this, but she is so cute and so up-for-it :(
 
According to Quora (debatable)...up to 5 years of hard labour if her parents decide to press charges...honestly, it does not seem like a risk worth taking if you already know her parents aren't chill (and even if they were).
 
why chose the troublesome situations when you pay ?
there are so much other options
 
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I don't know where you read that but it doesn't seem to be correct. 20 is the age of becoming an adult and being able to vote but as there are girls as young as 18 working in pink salons and DHs I don't think that adds up with your understanding.
 
Hmmm...my understanding, which I have previously regarded as clear, is that while you have to be 20yo to sign contracts, vote and so forth, the age of full (sexual) consent is 18, not 20. As @MikeH mentions, there are lots of 18-19 year olds working in the sex industry and openly advertising their ages, and although the Japanese police will turn a blind eye to many many things, one thing they won't tolerate is anyone openly and blatantly flaunting laws in public (causes the police to lose face or something like that). That is why DHs do not advertise that their escorts provide FS, even though they do routinely and everyone, including the police, know it. We have even had escorts younger than 20yo advertising and being reviewed on TAG...which means gaijin customers of course. I also know lots of older gaijin guys who date young women in that age range and have never heard of any problems; you need go no further than the neighborhood of US military bases in Japan to find plenty of examples of this sort of dating. I really think it would not be a problem.

Finally, and perhaps most usefully, let me summon @Sudsy who has previously posted links to very good information and links regarding age of consent issues in Japan (unless my memory is playing tricks on me...again).

-Ww
 
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let me summon @Sudsy who has previously posted links to very good information and links regarding age of consent issues in Japan (unless my memory is playing tricks on me...again).

Awww... thanks for the vote of confidence, WW.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-age-of-consent-so-low-in-Japan This is what I found...other sites seem to agree that if you are over 20 and she is 18-19 it can be a grey area as she is still considered a juvenile...as a foreigner, no way I am taking any risks...

That quora article was written by a first year university student.... at a particularly shitty university to boot. And looking at the date, looks like it was written while they were still in high school.

There's nothing at all grey about it. The age of sexual consent is 18 in all prefectures. The national AoC is 13 (with a provision that the two must be in a committed relationship with an intent of eventual marriage) but it's trumped by prefetuctural ordnances nationwide.

The voting age was lowered to 18 a couple of years ago. 18-19 year olds can also sign financial and labour contracts, but their legal guardians can nullify them if the contracted arrangements are exploitative. Persons under 20 still require parental consent to get married, though.

I've read the full age of consent in Japan is 20. For a 19 year old seeing an above 20 the older guy could be in trouble if the parents did not approve (which they obviously wouldnt, if they found out).

That's the full age of majority, not age of consent. Turning 20 means they can get married without parental permission, and legally drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. Their parents can't do anything about their romantic relationships aside from decline to allow them to marry. They could sue the suitor, but they wouldn't get anywhere with it aside from causing the fellow to incur some legal bills.

Can any one shed some light on the Japanese '3-tier' age of consent laws? What is the worst that can happen? Deportation? Prison? Telling the wife? ;)

There's no three tiered law. There's the national law at 13 with caveats, and the various prefectural laws that set it at 18. If the lady in question is over 18, nothing at all, aside from the possibility of your wife finding out. It's perfectly legal. Hell, an 18 year old can legally work as an escort providing her services directly, or in any legal sex work shop, such as a delivery health or soapland. Here's a listing of all the openly advertised 18-19 year olds working in fuzoku around Kanto.

If you're talking about someone under 18, that's a whole different ball of wax. The penalties vary from prefecture to prefecture, but they are criminal charges, and as such carry a risk of deportation and prison, particularly if there was a financial exchange.

I guess I really just have to walk away from this, but she is so cute and so up-for-it :(

And legally, not at all problematic. Go for it.

Edit: Should add - in theory the one thing parents of an 18-19 year old CAN do is have someone charged with abduction if you take them out of town or keep them out overnight. In practice, the cops will laugh this cases off. Only becomes serious is the girl actually moves in with you.
 
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in theory the one thing parents of an 18-19 year old CAN do is have someone charged with abduction if you take them out of town or keep them out overnight. In practice, the cops will laugh this cases off. Only becomes serious is the girl actually moves in with you.

OMG, I'm going to have to kick all those under-20 girls living in my apartment out! Several of them are going to have trouble paying their own rent. What an inhumane law! (n)(n)(n):eek:

-Ww
 
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Awww... thanks for the vote of confidence, WW.

Quite seriously, you are the most reliable source of information on matters of fact concerning life in Japan on TAG imo. I rely on your posts regarding all sorts of such matters.

But if I ever get thrown in prison or waterboarded due you making an error, I am going to be decidedly cross.

-Ww
 
If they say they are 19, they are probably 22-25. Maybe even 30!!!!

It seems to be a standard way in DHs that the profile is filled when the girl starts working at the said establishment and then it never gets updated. So I have seen 19 year olds who have been 19 at several years in row.

But then also just this year I met a working girl who really was 18 years old (turning 19 the next month). She was having a year off after high school studying for university entrance examinations and was working on the side.

So you need to be just 18 to be the customer or the provider. Don't think many of the guys visiting said places get their parent's approval either.
 
Ok thanks to everyone for the contribution especially Sudsy with the detailed post. It's definitely reassuring.

But im still not really clear if there is some practically unenforced laws for 18-19 year olds or rather its just a myth, and the age of consent is 18, period.

I'm just a bit worried still that if it is technically at least a grey-zone, given that it's a SD thing involving money, there could be some element of risk, albeit very unlikely, if for example things got messy/ nasty (she became obsessed with me, decided to make trouble, parents got involved etc).

Thanks
 
Ok thanks to everyone for the contribution especially Sudsy with the detailed post. It's definitely reassuring.

But im still not really clear if there is some practically unenforced laws for 18-19 year olds or rather its just a myth, and the age of consent is 18, period.

I'm not sure what you still find unclear, but the answer is that the age of consent is 18, period.

I'm just a bit worried still that if it is technically at least a grey-zone, given that it's a SD thing involving money, there could be some element of risk, albeit very unlikely, if for example things got messy/ nasty (she became obsessed with me, decided to make trouble, parents got involved etc).

It sounds like you are inclined not to proceed due to her age despite the aforesaid clear answer that it is not a problem, and if so, I wonder why you bothered asking the question in the first place. I have the feeling that you are actually looking for a reason (maybe to give her and/or to give yourself) to take a pass on this opportunity. Imo, if you are uncomfortable with her age or the age difference between the two of you for whatever personal reasons you may have, that should be sufficient cause to let her go, regardless of the legal situation. It wouldn't be fair to either of you to get involved if you don't feel comfortable with the age issues.

Btw, you haven't told us if this is a p4p or np4p situation nor how you know that she is actually 18yo. I have heard occasional disturbing rumors that some women have been known to mislead men concerning their ages.

-Ww
 
But im still not really clear if there is some practically unenforced laws for 18-19 year olds or rather its just a myth, and the age of consent is 18, period.

There are no "unenforced laws" for 18-19 year olds. Like I said above, at worst, if her parents know about your arrangement and they object, they can press kidnapping or parental rights interference charges if you take her out of town or she moves in with you. As a general rule the cops laugh these people out of the station.

If you want to be safe, don't take her travelling until she's 20.
 
Personally, if I were in your shoes, and after consulting better sources than Quora (look I LOVE reading Quora but many of the answers there are given by eloquent, well written, yet totally unqualified people), I'd go for it. 19 year olds you can really enjoy time with (other than purely sexual time I mean) get harder and harder to find as the age gap widens. I do not believe it would be hard to confirm @Sudsy's assertions with a little bit of googling.

If you still aren't sure, do the most responsible thing I can recommend when you have a legal question, spend a little bit of money on a lawyer. One hours consulting is usually totally worth it for the peace of mind in my experience if you are really not sure about the law.
 
I'm not sure what you still find unclear, but the answer is that the age of consent is 18, period.

I think it was just that sudsy's answer alluded to at least 'something' going on legally for those under 20, with the 'parental interference' issue, and ideally i would like to know exactly what that is. Probably best to consult a lawyer as also suggested. But anyway, having reread the answer plus sudsy's follow up confirmation (thanks) it sounds clear that <20 thing is not related to sexual consent, and I'm convinced enough to proceed...

The age 20 myth I guess is also coming from the age of consent to marry, without parents permission.

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/japan

And no, I definitely have no psychological hangup with the age. Although anything under 18 would feel really dodgy, for some reason I feel fine with 19. The best SB I had was 20 and that was a few months ago. We got on fab and had a great time.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this post.
 
with the 'parental interference' issue

I thought I was clear about that, but to clarify:

If you take an 18 or 19 year old girl out of town or keep her overnight without her parents' OK, they can in theory file charges of interfering with parental rights - in practice, the police will tell them to go pound sand.

If you were actively preventing her parents from seeing or talking to her, THEN the police might take an interest in it. This charge is more often levied against religious cults than it is against boyfriends.
 
Ok thanks again Sudsy for your help. I definitely do not plan to take her out of town, it's way too early for that anyway. I have already told her I'm concerned about the age gap and if I have any doubts she is under 18, I will just have to ask to see her ID before doing anything!

Actually is there like a standard ID card she is likely to have on her all the time? Would be more palatable to ask to see that (when done with charm and giggles obviously) than asking to bring her passport in advance ;)
 
The age 20 myth I guess is also coming from the age of consent to marry, without parents permission.

Slightly off topic but the interesting thing is you only need one of the parents to give permission for the marriage and you are good to go. The other one can protest as much as he/she wants and nobody will care.
 
Slightly off topic but the interesting thing is you only need one of the parents to give permission for the marriage and you are good to go. The other one can protest as much as he/she wants and nobody will care.

I've always been curious how that would work in the case of an orphan...
 
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I had a look at Wikipedia Japan re the age of consent. 性的同意年齢
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/性的同意年齢#.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC
It says that according to article 176 of Japan's criminal code (indecent assault), the sexual age of consent is 13 for both males and females.
However, according to the Child welfare Law, forcing a child under the age of 18 to perform indecent acts is a punishable crime.
It goes on to say that under the laws which regulate adult entertainment, there are penalties for business owners that don't comply with those laws.

What Sudsy said makes sense. Everything that I saw in the article pertains to the ages of 13 or 18. 18 and over you're free and clear. Though I'm not a native speaker, so a Japanese better take a look and see if I missed anything important.
 
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