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Contemplating Marriage

mittcandunk

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Hey everyone. Lurker here and occasional customer at Tokyo-area soaplands. I'd like everyones advice on this.

I've been dating this Japanese girl for over two years- I love her a lot and shes perfect in a lot of ways but... she really doesn't enjoy sex too much and we have sex probably less than once a month, maybe once every two months recently. And when we do, I can't say I enjoy it too much since I am a pleaser in bed and I just dont get the feeling that she enjoys penetration and sex too much.

I've been visiting soaplands... I don't feel too remorseful about it since I justify it in my head as satisfying my sexual urge and I don't have romantic feelings for anyone else in my life.

I'm thinking about proposing soon because I do feel like she is a great girl and will make a wonderful wife and that we can have a really happy life together, for the long term. Is this a bad idea?
 
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That is for you to decide. Just saying that you are having the most sex with her now when you are just dating. When you get married and maybe even pop a kid it will be much less frequent afterwards.

Hub is already fully booked with bitter gaijin guys complaining their wife doesn't have sex with them. Whatever you decide do not become one of them.
 
Not every relationship has to end in marriage. You two can still live together and be a couple without being married.

If, for any reason, the marriage goes wrong, you two are stuck with each other and with a fuck ton of paperwork / remorse (depending on the case)...

Noone can answer you 100%, but i dont see marriage as something nice nowadays because i dont like it, so my opinion is totally biased. Maybe someone else can give a positive opinion on it.
 
If you aren't having much sex now, you will be having even less later. If you still want to get married then that's up to you, but sounds like a shit idea to me... unless you have one of those girls who will not mind you going to soaplands occasionally (I wouldn't want to hide it my entire life tho, i'd rather be open about it with her)
 
I'm thinking about proposing soon because I do feel like she is a great girl and will make a wonderful wife and that we can have a really happy life together, for the long term. Is this a bad idea?
I think you need to do some social reading on the constant issues people have when married to a Japanese. (More geared towards non-Japanese male with Japanese Female, but the opposite holds true in some cases)

If you're going to do it, make sure you have an exit plan and not beholden to her whims. I could make a laundry list of issues, but just educate yourself on other experiences already documented.

As the other poster says, if you can't be open with her about everything, you're going to see those barriers grow higher as you constantly need to disguise a part of your life from her.
She'll eventually see through the mask and it will come to a head at some juncture.
 
Hey everyone. Lurker here and occasional customer at Tokyo-area soaplands. I'd like everyones advice on this.

I've been dating this Japanese girl for over two years- I love her a lot and shes perfect in a lot of ways but... she really doesn't enjoy sex too much and we have sex probably less than once a month, maybe once every two months recently. And when we do, I can't say I enjoy it too much since I am a pleaser in bed and I just dont get the feeling that she enjoys penetration and sex too much.

I've been visiting soaplands... I don't feel too remorseful about it since I justify it in my head as satisfying my sexual urge and I don't have romantic feelings for anyone else in my life.

I'm thinking about proposing soon because I do feel like she is a great girl and will make a wonderful wife and that we can have a really happy life together, for the long term. Is this a bad idea?

You joined in 2022 and this is the question you drop as your 1st post. What a heavy topic. I do have to agree that TAG community is pretty cool, and we have a common interests. But I am not sure if you should be getting your guidance from us. Why don't you ask your friends and family that is more aware of the situation and dynamics of your relationship?

You say she doesn't enjoy sex too much. Do you think it is her or is the way you are giving it to her? In a serious relationship, sex is more than just climaxing and busting a nut. It is about being intimate with your partner and making a serious connection. If you are only 2 years in and having sex once a month.. its going to be even worse when you get married.

You said you feel that she doesn't enjoy it much. If you are serious about getting married, you should be able to talk to her about it. Maybe she doesn't enjoy it because you are hung like a horse and its painful.. or maybe she had a traumatic experience in the past. I would suggest talking to her first, before asking us about marriage. Just my 2 cents.

MT
 
But I am not sure if you should be getting your guidance from us. Why don't you ask your friends and family that is more aware of the situation and dynamics of your relationship?
Did you miss the part about Soaplands? 😄
I think there are plenty of people here who are in similar situations or close to it.
I don't think he wants to discuss soaplands with close friends or family.
 
Did you miss the part about Soaplands? 😄
I think there are plenty of people here who are in similar situations or close to it.
I don't think he wants to discuss soaplands with close friends or family.
Lol.. I did see the part about Soaplands :) If he wants to marry her, he has bigger challenges :)
 
The fact that you're asking for marriage advice on a board dedicated to paid sexual encounters is really you answering your own question. Your relationship leading up to the marriage is usually as good as it's going to get for most people, and if you don't have that compatibility now, it's not likely to get better.
 
Past the initial surprise of your question on a forum like this, let me give my 2 cents in the end.

First and foremost, the main and most important work you need to do is introspection. How important in life is sex to you? how important is it in your relationship, how much risk is there that it would make you build resentment towards your SO, etc...?

As you figure out who YOU are (and not project on yourself the opinion of some strangers from a forum), I definitely agree with MandoTiger and can only recommend that you TALK to her. Communication is the most important, and whatever you decide to do, proposal or not, you can not go in blind.

I'll close with words by Nietzsche, and remind that happiness is continuing to desire what you already possess.
 
You said you feel that she doesn't enjoy it much. If you are serious about getting married, you should be able to talk to her about it.

This. Instead of already sneaking behind her back, why not try to be fair about it?
Ask if she would prefer to have sex in a different way, or if she is asexual and nothing will help her enjoy it more. Try to subtly find out her stance on what cheating means to her and if paid services are considered cheating to her. If she is strict about it, things will end in divorce if she ever finds out what you are doing.
Who knows, maybe she will even give you the green light. That said, it’s usually not a good idea to let her know what you are gonna do and when, unless she gets off on it.
 
Just my two cents: If you love her and can compartmentalize your wild sex life while married to her, marry her.

I do not think marriage has to ascribe to a set of rules conveniently laid out by religion or cultural mores. To many people here honesty and openness is a really important value, but interestingly to Japanese it is actually not the most important thing for a lot of people.

I probably sound morally bankrupt to a few here saying this, but I honestly do not give a fuck what people not living in my shoes think. Until we have a day when someone can animatronically control my body and proceed to pump pussy for their vicarious pleasure, I will just allow myself to be ruthlessly judged.
 
Just keep in mind that, once you marry, and you have to share more of your finances, and your time, keeping your hobby as a secret will be much harder. There's the possibility that she expects to manage your finances after marriage.
 
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Yes. Seems like sex is a very important part of your life. Why would you knowingly tie yourself legally to someone who doesn't value sex as much as you?

Your sexual urges will eventually bring you back to soaplands. This time as a married man living a double-life.
 
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Let’s take it back to medieval times. Are you marrying her to unite two families? Is she loaded and you’re set to inherit a family fortune? Is she a high earner and you can become a stay at home dad? Do you want children and is she willing to have sex and get pregnant? Is she okay with having an open relationship? Is she ok with you going to soaplands?

What is attracting you to her if you as someone that enjoys soaplands isn’t getting to enjoy the sexual aspect with her? Are you okay with constantly jacking off to JAV porn? How will you do that if she is always around? Will you share the same bed or sleep in different ones or different rooms? What will you do when you have morning wood and you need to relieve yourself? Does she give you a hand Job? A blow job?

Personally as someone who enjoys sex too much I would never do this. You need to have that intimate connection to make this succeed unless this is purely a business transaction.
 
Just to echo what others have written, whether marriage works for you in this situation depends on how much you value sex in your relationship. Penetrative sex is one thing, and there are various other ways to pleasure each other. But if she is cool about sex itself and sex is that important to you, then I'd say that it would be best if you break up with her and look for someone that values sex more in a relationship.

After two years of dating, I imagine your girlfriend is already thinking about marriage as well, but before you take any further steps, you have to have some discussions about sex and your relationship post-wedding. Yes, there will be a honeymoon period, but if you and she are thinking about having kids, then after the baby-making sex, I think it's very, very likely that sex will be off the table forever. Also note that if she hasn't mentioned children, that doesn't mean that she doesn't want children.

Don't make her an ultimatum, though. No "If we don't have sex, I'm going to soaplands!" But be honest with her and yourself about your needs (don’t mention P4P), and if it looks like she is not receptive, then break it off. Two years is a long time, but better to give her and yourself freedom to pursue happiness.
 
I honestly don't find this post to be so out of place on the forum - I think it would do the forum some good if more users started discussing satellite topics such as this. It's a nice change of pace.
Also, it's not as if OP is going to base his decision solely on the recommendations of TAG'ers, what's wrong with reaching out to a demographic that's likely to have gone through what he's concerned about, seems smart to me!

I do agree with most of the sentiments above though - if you've got doubts going into marriage they will most certainly intensify once you've tied the knot. Why not address your concerns with your partner first? I have quite an active sex drive and this has been an issue with previous partners, but exploring what they enjoy in the bedroom translated into more frequent encounters and more fulfilling intimacy for us both. And yes, this partner was Japanese, so none of that "they are reserved" garbage, please.

If all else fails and you still feel compelled to be with her after exploring that aspect of your relationship you can always be upfront about your physical needs, hinting about wanting to maintain physical relationships outside of your marriage if necessary (break this gently, in a roundabout manner) and see how she reacts.

Marry only if everything feels right, and when you have a clear rapport.
 
Do keep into account (so ask your girlfriend) about her family, what they think, want and expect out of her. Usually you are ininfluent in the big decisions.
Wouldn't want to have nosy in-laws around the house.
Worse, in-laws to take care of.
 
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Hey everyone. Lurker here and occasional customer at Tokyo-area soaplands. I'd like everyones advice on this.

I've been dating this Japanese girl for over two years- I love her a lot and shes perfect in a lot of ways but... she really doesn't enjoy sex too much and we have sex probably less than once a month, maybe once every two months recently. And when we do, I can't say I enjoy it too much since I am a pleaser in bed and I just dont get the feeling that she enjoys penetration and sex too much.

I've been visiting soaplands... I don't feel too remorseful about it since I justify it in my head as satisfying my sexual urge and I don't have romantic feelings for anyone else in my life.

I'm thinking about proposing soon because I do feel like she is a great girl and will make a wonderful wife and that we can have a really happy life together, for the long term. Is this a bad idea?
What does SHE want?
 
I do not think marriage has to ascribe to a set of rules conveniently laid out by religion or cultural mores. To many people here honesty and openness is a really important value, but interestingly to Japanese it is actually not the most important thing for a lot of people.

To this end, OP needs to understand if it is or isn't the most important thing to his partner. I get the feeling OP doesn't necessarily really know what his partner is feeling/thinking and is just assuming or trying to read the room.

My advice to OP is:

Don't make a brash decision one way or another; wait 6-12 months and see how you feel. But, between now and then, have the talk with her about all this. Understand why (or if) she doesn't actually like sex - has she had a trauma like a rape she has never told you about? Was she a provider at one time? Are you selfish in bed? Does it hurt her? Are you just not that compatible/good in bed? Are you only interested in the physical part and not giving her the emotional part she needs outside the bedroom? Also find out what her expectations are now and in the future (but probably take what's said about the future with a grain of salt if it sounds great), and what she would think about your happiness and getting your needs met elsewhere if she's not that interested. I was with someone once who "wasn't that interested" yet at the same time, wouldn't let me do anything outside either. What a crock of crap that was, clearly my happiness didn't matter. Yes, she was Japanese. And yes, my resentment for her bred, and bred, and bred, and bred trying to figure out what was so damn undesirable about myself.

And I can speak from experience on the future of your sex life and back up the others - it WILL decline from where it is today, with a VERY high chance of it declining to absolutely zero - and very likely with no words ever being spoken about it and it becoming a completely taboo subject to the point where if the two of you are watching a movie and a sex scene comes on, it gets really awkward.

I would also understand the implications of divorce and how easy or difficult it may be. Sure, you can do mutual consent divorce in Japan and just go fill out a form at city hall and it's basically a done deal if you both agree on how to split stuff up, etc., but guess what? Some countries won't recognize that and will require a signed decree from a family court judge. So you might be able to get divorced in Japan, but NOT be able to get remarried outside Japan without a decree signed by a judge; or maybe you could due to lack of international coordination on that kind of stuff, but you might find that in order to be truly out clean in a way that is recognized everywhere, you need a signed decree. It's kind of a gray area in that at least in the US, the US requires no proof of a Japanese marriage at all, yet in some states, if you want to get divorced, suddenly they care about the manner in which it was done and a mutual consent isn't good enough when you never even had to prove you got married in the first place and they just accepted you at your word when electing to file taxes as a joint married couple? Makes no sense. Rambling, but the point here is - understand everything to the best of your ability, both personally and legally.

Good luck OP, and let us know what happens - one of the biggest challenges will be having any talk with her at all because you are definitely kind of western culture gaijin smashing her by trying to do that, in a country where even mothers and daughters don't always talk directly with one another and do the read the room bullshit around each other on stuff. Just having a successful, fully open and transparent conversation may be more difficult than you think.
 
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I think one of the best advices ever I got from an older lady friend. She told me that if I ever want to get married the first thing to do is to take a day off, grab a pen and a piece of paper and then just use that day thinking and writing down all the things that will change after you two get married.

And if at the end of the day the paper still remains empty then you can consider getting married.
 
I think one of the best advices ever I got from an older lady friend. She told me that if I ever want to get married the first thing to do is to take a day off, grab a pen and a piece of paper and then just use that day thinking and writing down all the things that will change after you two get married.

And if at the end of the day the paper still remains empty then you can consider getting married.
Mike that’s so H as in hip!