Daily WHO Reports for the Coronavirus Outbreak (Link)

[faboo2001]

Ya think?

Apply some logic.

If those screenshotted numbers were remotely realistic, we'd have thousands of confirmed cases in Japan and Singapore by now, and that cruise ship would be near 100% infected.

I do "think" and apply some logic to my thoughts, thank you very much. On that note, just because it's wide spread in one area it doesn't automatically mean it would spread in greater numbers to other parts of the world. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it would make sense for it to happen, but it's not a must or a guarantee.

Even the cbc.ca link there now says the numbers are fake.

From what I read in the article, experts are saying that it's most likely a hoax based on what they know. That doesn't make it a confirmation.

At any rate, it was not my intention to argue the validity of the screenshot as even I myself don't fully believe it. It could've just be a glitch on the website that people just happen to catch, or most likely someone just trolling. However I'm also not gullible to believe that we're all getting the full picture here, especially after what happened with SARS and how transparency is an ongoing issue with the country. People have been saying that the outbreak is far worse than the media/government is sharing, and that things like this "photoshopped image" could be a way for them to share that sentiment with others on the outside.

 

[Keihan]

What you should worry about is Hong Kong. They had a pretty ugly record during SARS, and now they are doing some shitty job again. It's highly unlikely that their government could ban their citien with a bullet from fleeing to Bangkok and contract those poor ladyboys there.

That's exactly what I'm worried about. We have a very large population from Hong Kong around here. Shit, my employee sitting ten yards away from me right now is from Hong Kong. And lots and lots and lots of daily direct flights coming in from Hong Kong. And zero restrictions or screening of passengers coming in from Hong Kong. When the coronavirus arrives here this week, if it hasn't already, it'll be on a flight from Hong Kong. I knew I should've bought that cabin in the Rocky Mountains when I had the chance. I could hide up there with my guns, liquor and porn until this all blows over.

 

[warubuta]

That's surely bullshit reporting but on the other hand, if 25k Chinese suddenly disappeared, would anyone really notice? Especially if Big Brother Xi didn't want anyone to notice?

All I know is, I was speaking yesterday with a colleague of mine who is originally from Shanghai and still has family there. He was telling me that the government is obscenely full of shit (which we all know) and that when he spoke with his relatives recently, they assured him that the situation is much, much worse than the state news is letting on. They live in downtown Shanghai and told him the streets are eerily deserted. No people, no vehicles, nothing. They claim the government has not only ordered everyone to stay indoors, but also banned all forms of travel including cars, buses, trains, etc. That, and the country seems to have run out of masks, so my colleague is busy stockpiling boxes from Amazon and shipping them to his relatives.

If I decide to fly into HND next month I'll be taking an airlines that doesn't service any airport in China or Hong Kong or virtually anywhere else in Asia but Japan, but something tells me it'll be just my luck to show up at the terminal and find it packed with screaming, spitting Chinese tourists who routed their escape trip to Japan through one of the 7 U.S. airports still accepting them.

Met with several Chinese long term residents of Japan over the past few days. All of them have, without prompting from the Buta, expressed extreme frustration in the way the Chinese government is handling this. In particular they are convinced that the initial response was slow and weak and there was more concern for China’s global image than for the safety of the citizens. They are sure this is going to lead to an unnecessary prolongation. They are pissed.

 

[surak]

Met with several Chinese long term residents of Japan over the past few days. All of them have, without prompting from the Buta, expressed extreme frustration in the way the Chinese government is handling this. In particular they are convinced that the initial response was slow and weak and there was more concern for China’s global image than for the safety of the citizens. They are sure this is going to lead to an unnecessary prolongation. They are pissed.

For their defense, the initial delay and weak response was almost inevitable.

They had to deal with false SARS alarms almost every year made by paranoids who caught flu or common cold.

And speaking of flu, it was also on an outbreak there and kept the authorities busy. At the same time there was a lesser outbreak of H5N1.

It must take some time for them to figure out there's a new and nasty bastard there.

 

[Keihan]

Met with several Chinese long term residents of Japan over the past few days. All of them have, without prompting from the Buta, expressed extreme frustration in the way the Chinese government is handling this. In particular they are convinced that the initial response was slow and weak and there was more concern for China’s global image than for the safety of the citizens. They are sure this is going to lead to an unnecessary prolongation. They are pissed.

Read a story today claiming that Chairman Xi is flat-out refusing to allow CDC or WHO scientists and officials into the country to help fight the outbreak, presumably because he doesn't want the rest of the world to find out just how fucked up the situation is and, more importantly, how many of their own medical staff have been infected and/or died while fighting the virus. Better to just lock down the country leave the citizens to their own fates. The western world will be perfectly capable of wiping out this pandemic in their own countries, and when when the last infected Chinese in China finally recover or die off, Xi can reopen the country for business and pretend nothing happened. I suppose that makes ruthless sense.

 

[warubuta]

Read a story today claiming that Chairman Xi is flat-out refusing to allow CDC or WHO scientists and officials into the country to help fight the outbreak, presumably because he doesn't want the rest of the world to find out just how fucked up the situation is and, more importantly, how many of their own medical staff have been infected and/or died while fighting the virus. Better to just lock down the country leave the citizens to their own fates. The western world will be perfectly capable of wiping out this pandemic in their own countries, and when when the last infected Chinese in China finally recover or die off, Xi can reopen the country for business and pretend nothing happened. I suppose that makes ruthless sense.

The Japanese made a similar mistake with the Hanshin earthquake, if you remember. They hesitated quite significantly before letting foreign rescue workers and doctors into the country. They were heavily criticized. They wouldn’t let rescue dogs in because they hadn’t been through Japanese pet quarantine. They rejected foreign made aspirin because they were 500mg tabs instead of 350mg tabs. This time around with Fukushima, they had learned their lesson and pretty much opened the gates to foreign help. I guess the Chinese will learn some lessons too.

 

[surak]

Read a story today claiming that Chairman Xi is flat-out refusing to allow CDC or WHO scientists and officials into the country to help fight the outbreak, presumably because he doesn't want the rest of the world to find out just how fucked up the situation is and, more importantly, how many of their own medical staff have been infected and/or died while fighting the virus. Better to just lock down the country leave the citizens to their own fates. The western world will be perfectly capable of wiping out this pandemic in their own countries, and when when the last infected Chinese in China finally recover or die off, Xi can reopen the country for business and pretend nothing happened. I suppose that makes ruthless sense.

CDC was refused for some different but equally silly reasons.

WHO is always allowed in.

Individual scientists from the states are also alllowed in, as long as they are not associated with CDC (such as this guy: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202001/29/WS5e311020a31012821727391e.html).

Anyway, the lockdown is not about who's allowed in. It's all about preventing their own citizens from fleeing out (and bringing the virus to Nana Plaza).

 

[just4fun]

. This time around with Fukushima, they had learned their lesson and pretty much opened the gates to foreign help.

From the horses mouth I got intel that the Japanese. Govt. demanded that the US Military go into Fukashima and do the clean-up. The US Military is still laughing at those demands.

 

[Keihan]

The Japanese made a similar mistake with the Hanshin earthquake, if you remember. They hesitated quite significantly before letting foreign rescue workers and doctors into the country. They were heavily criticized. They wouldn’t let rescue dogs in because they hadn’t been through Japanese pet quarantine. They rejected foreign made aspirin because they were 500mg tabs instead of 350mg tabs. This time around with Fukushima, they had learned their lesson and pretty much opened the gates to foreign help. I guess the Chinese will learn some lessons too.

At the risk of gleefully making you feel old, I was a 14yo virgin halfway through freshman year in high school when the Hanshin Earquake hit Japan. Worse, I was still six months away from my first time getting properly drunk and a year away from getting high. All I recall is the news saying that Kobe was on fire, and then my 10-second attention span shifted its focus back to the more pressing need of finding more R-rated flicks on Cinemax Late Nite to record on VHS and masturbate with before slipping out to the roof to smoke a Marlboro Light because that's what people are supposed to do after sex, or so the movies say.

Kurt Cobain had just blown his head off, OJ Simpson had just removed his wife's head and Bill Clinton was still happily sticking his dick in young interns while his wife watched (the girls) and pleasured herself. That was a long, long time ago.

 

[Ken1988]

2019-nCoV Resource Centre of the Lancet (free access)
www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

 

[oLUXo]

Wonder how much worse this will get?

 

[MongerInAStrLnd]

japan is 2nd on the list after china with most infected....noooooooo!
be safe tag community since most of us use p4p

Not any more, since the shipboard cases at Hong Kong and Japan ports have been moved to their own separate category.

No new cases in Japan in 5 days.

 

[warubuta]

Not any more, since the shipboard cases at Hong Kong and Japan ports have been moved to their own separate category.

No new cases in Japan in 5 days.

Good news. Maybe. But the whole world needs to be super vigilant and plan for the worst IMO. All the idiots who are saying otherwise, are just that, idiots. It is still very early days for understanding just how dangerous this virus might be and how it is going to behave over time. In that situation, the only thing to do is plan for the worst.

 

[warubuta]

At the risk of gleefully making you feel old, I was a 14yo virgin halfway through freshman year in high school when the Hanshin Earquake hit Japan. Worse, I was still six months away from my first time getting properly drunk and a year away from getting high. All I recall is the news saying that Kobe was on fire, and then my 10-second attention span shifted its focus back to the more pressing need of finding more R-rated flicks on Cinemax Late Nite to record on VHS and masturbate with before slipping out to the roof to smoke a Marlboro Light because that's what people are supposed to do after sex, or so the movies say.

Kurt Cobain had just blown his head off, OJ Simpson had just removed his wife's head and Bill Clinton was still happily sticking his dick in young interns while his wife watched (the girls) and pleasured herself. That was a long, long time ago.

I never feel old, but I do feel aged sometimes, like a fine claret or a rare single malt.

 

[MikeH]

But the whole world needs to be super vigilant and plan for the worst IMO.

Obviously and I think that's what basically all the sane governments are doing. But then as always there are also people in the internet who think everyone should commit a suicide to prevent them getting this virus too.

 

[TAG Manager]

China...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/f0xtop/the_government_in_china_are_now_locking_people_in/

 

[MikeH]

China...

I would take a pretty cautious stance on believing this to be true. Though nobody thinks it is beyond the Chinese bureaucrats to think doing something like this but try to go and get a bold lock on your door and bars on your windows installed and see how many days that takes. Now repeat that with every home in your building.

I mean after seeing "people dropping dead in the middle of their walk" and "bodies piled up in the street" videos I pretty much believe nothing about this stuff anymore.

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

This seems pretty plausible. I mean you can run out of masks and other medical stuff for sure, but you never going to run out of bars and locks and stuff. Not in a small country like China

 

[MikeH]

Just saw in some TV news a passenger standing in a cruise ship wearing a mask.

Then he removes the mask from over his nose and starts picking his nose with his bare finger.

I wonder why the docs claim the masks won't help?

 

[surak]

Wonder how much worse this will get?

4 different versions of answer:

If you are in Wuhan, it's living hell;

If you are in other part of Hubei Province but not Wuhan, it's self-imposed house arrest, plus medium to high risk of getting infected;

If you are in China but not Hubei Province, it's annoying inconvenience of travel ban, plus very low risk of getting infected;

If you are outside of China, it's fine.

Well maybe there's a 5th version: if you are in Taiwan, Hong Kong or Singapore, you may need to pray.

Or a 6th version: no matter where you are, pray very hard that Hong Kong imposes a travel ban as soon as possible (albeit very unlikely): https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...us-hong-kong-shows-symptoms-of-a-failed-state

 

[surak]

China...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/f0xtop/the_government_in_china_are_now_locking_people_in/

It's actually not bad.

You have to be isolated anyway, it's better to stay at home than end up in some random isolation cells.

Plus, if they lock up your apartment, they'll provide you with free groceries and meals.

 

[faboo2001]

Read a story today claiming that Chairman Xi is flat-out refusing to allow CDC or WHO scientists and officials into the country to help fight the outbreak, presumably because he doesn't want the rest of the world to find out just how fucked up the situation is and, more importantly, how many of their own medical staff have been infected and/or died while fighting the virus. Better to just lock down the country leave the citizens to their own fates. The western world will be perfectly capable of wiping out this pandemic in their own countries, and when when the last infected Chinese in China finally recover or die off, Xi can reopen the country for business and pretend nothing happened. I suppose that makes ruthless sense.

Stories like these is exactly why I think it's far worse than the media is reporting, and also why it's not spreading as rapidly in other countries. Other places have been pretty diligent and quick to address any new infections, while China would rather just contain the situation within and keep the outside world from knowing how bad it really is.

 

[oLUXo]

It's actually not bad.

You have to be isolated anyway, it's better to stay at home than end up in some random isolation cells.

Plus, if they lock up your apartment, they'll provide you with free groceries and meals.

I still think it depends how clean and sanitary people are that keep the viruses in check. This virus seems pretty brutal and I think it'll last a while. The people on the cruise ship in Yokohama are still adding up that are getting the virus even though they are isolated to their rooms.

 

[MikeH]

The people on the cruise ship in Yokohama are still adding up that are getting the virus even though they are isolated to their rooms.

It's just the incubation period working here.

 

[warubuta]

I wonder if anyone is thinking about how hay fever season is going to impact corona. My layman’s take would be that it will cause it to spread much faster. All the sneezing and runny noses. @TokyoJoeblow will definitely need to take heed as he is at the nexus of hay fever, direct contact with the bodily fluids of random strangers (saliva and semen transmitted directly and through a bicycle seat intermediary) and he also is having lots of random contact with migratory sex workers from the 3rd world.