Date Cafes 出会いカフェー

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  1. Hamerare

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    http://www.cafe-kirari.com/top.php?val=10

    I have been a member of the Kirari group for over 3 years. To join, you need to be able to speak Japanese and have a cellfon. These cafes can be found in all the big centres of Tokyo, with 3 in Shinjuku and 3 in Shibuya.

    You pay 2000 to join and go into a room with a 2-way mirror. You can see the girls but they cant see you. The name, age and interests of the girl will be posted on a card on the wall. If you want to interview a girl, you fill in a form to give to the bell hop and he will seat you in a private booth where you got 5 minutes maximum to strike a deal.

    The girls are usually in their l8 teens or 20s and what's good is that you can actually meet them first instead of have to choose from a photoshop job. Many of the girls are students. If you and a girl agree on a date, you pay the cafe 2000 which I guess you could call a barfine.

    Some girls wont want to go with you, probably bcoz you are gaijin. Other girls will not want to shag and expect 5000 to be taken out for one hour to a cafe or restaurant. The going r8 for a shag is 20,000. The Japanese term for this is "wari-kiri".

    I have never had much luck in these places. Ideally, I want to take a girl out for drinks and chow somewhere and then, if we hit it off, take her to a love hotel. My first question in the interview booth is always "jikan arimasu-ka" (Do you have time) and typically they will say about one hour. Only twice have I ever met girls who wanted to go out on a proper date, the first time she got so ratassed that I had to carry her home, the second time my wife rang so had to cut it short.

    A lot of the girls in these places are regulars, and not very nice people. Obnoxious in fact and very mercenary. When a girl who has just joined walks in, the bell hop usualy comes into the mens room and does a "junken" among all interested parties to see who gets to talk to her first.

    I have never seen another gaijin in these places although once interviewed a half African/J-girl who was a fat bitch. I have never had any problems with the other Japanese punters in these places, and in any case they are more likely to succeed than me. Can never forget being turned down by this lovely young thing whoo consequently left with an old Japanese guy who looked like the cat had dragged in.

    Yap, worth a try if you dont never tried these places b4
     
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    The Kirari 出会いカフェー off Shibuya Basektball Street (Center gai) is kinda interesting in that the girls choose the guys. It is pretty much a done thing if they choose you but they may not be to your liking. They will expect 20,000 and go half on the love hotel (2000 each typically). You will have had to pay 2000 to get in and 2000 to take her out = 28,000 for a poke. At least they dont expect to get wined and dined too. You can try and knock them down - I got an agreement once for 10,000 then realized I never even had that much with me and credit cad was at home. Aint that always the way. I enjoy hanging out in those places and even if I end up with nothing, it's 2000 yen not wasted. They got machine for free soft drinks and computers with internet to piss around on if you get really bored
     
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    Thanks for the write-up.

    One question: Why do they need your cellphone? I would be very reluctant for such establishments to have my personal contacts.
     
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    so whats the most someone can expect to spend here?
     
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    So that they can trace a person if he was to abuse/murder the girl. It's legal requirements. Same for the girls. They wont get in under 18.

    I have never received a spam mail or call from them. It's discreet and safe.

    They got a joining sale on now 1000 instead of 2000
     
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    Joining fee 2000 (payable 1st time only)
    Entrance fee 2000
    Barfine 2000
    Love hotel 4000
    Shag 20,000

    Total is 30,000 but that would be the absolute maximum. In practice you would split the hotel tab so knock 2000 off. You can find love hotels for 3000 and rental rooms with shower and bed for 2000 so knock another 500-1000 off. Hopefully, you could knock the girl down to 15,000.

    20,000 seems to be standard for FS in Tokyo but the advantage of the date cafe is that you can actually meet the girl first. In standard joints you have to choose from a foto and bait and switch is not uncommon from what I've heard
     
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    damn...thats alot altough theres a chance that the girl wont end up going to the hotel with you, the way i see its a risk involved...i have never been involved in going to these places but im really curious to try it...but i like to score the girl if i end up going
     
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    Great post, thanks a lot!

    So about "warikiri", is it ok to bring this up while you're interviewing her? Sorry for the newbie question, but how would I bring it up? ワリキリはどうですか?

    Any tips on best day/time of day to go?

    I went to one in Ikebukuro and interviewed about 3 girls. None of them really worth it though, so left empty-handed. I thought at the least it might be a way to practice my Japanese for an hour over a latte, but I was a little afraid the girl would just demand 2000 yen for her time and walk away. If you just do coffee, is it decided that it's a 1 hour thing?

    A Spanish guy came in with a Japanese friend and they left with 2 girls. Wonder how that ended up.

    Curious about the girls leaving with older guys. Do you think they've just agreed to a higher price, or are they just interested in getting a free wining/dining? Most of the Japanese forums talking about these cafes seem to have the experience just meeting a girl who wants a free meal. Fascinated by the social dynamics of the whole thing, though. I'd love to see an in-depth investigation of the system by an anthropologist.
     
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    Absolutely, bring up the 割り切り issue str8away. Most girls at date cafes are regulars and will have been asked this same question.

    Yap, not all the girls are there for the warikiri gig. Some just want 5000 for a free meal included.

    My personal ploy is to offer 4000. When they query it, I say its bcoz I am different. I alwayz insist on unlimited time until last train. Most refuse but I couldn't give a toss
     
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    i am really really curious to try this...but i am hesitant becuase my goal is to score the girl and hit it to a love hotel, ive been on enough random dates i cant really picture myself wasting tons of money to the point at the end of the date no action just a sayonara at the train
     
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    You sound like you do ukie without needing to drop 20.000 yen on a girl u just met

    These places r for dudes with more money than sense, or desper8 barstewards like myself
     
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    come on man! you can do better, if your japanese is decent than scoring girls is a peice of cake without spending a single yen its all about knowing the girls weak spots and hitting the target, one which is making them laugh to break the ice
     
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    If you have an unlocked phone, you can perhaps get a sim card from econnect.

    http://www.econnectjapan.com/

    You wouldn't be legally untraceable, BUT: 1) you would have no worries from seedy shops that want your phone number, 2) no worries about seedy places you are making calls to, 3) can vastly decrease the odds of a wife catching you.
     
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    @AKB69

    In theory, such places sound interesting, because of the possibility of some real chemistry between the man and woman.

    But, then there is the Japanese xenophobia and racism factor. This is where, the other Japanese put group pressure on Japanese women not to date foreigners, even if she is kind of curious. Often, only the strong-willed Japanese or those that spent years in other countries, can resist this backwards minded Japanese peer pressure.

    Would like to see guys that had decent success going this route. It might depend on which shop a guy goes to.
     
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    @Solong well...true, i myself am half japanese so i think thats why i got away with so many girls...i have been going on blind dates this month and last, i put in little effort if the girl is not on my rating scale of 7-10...yea..i become that picky and aggresive now..(i go somewhere cheap and waste time until she goes home if i am not satisfied so far 10 girls and only 2 were on my waiting list, if i do find the girl i am interested, i try to give her a good date and along the way compliment her in serval ways to the point she is like "wow, no one has ever spoken to me like that" *blushes* i smirk and proceed with my game plan i then suggest we take a walk along kabuki cho for izakaya drink then stroll by love hotels and i say i have never been to a love hotel haha then next thing you know shes vaccuming me....tough work but effective, most of these girls are from either POF.com or hunting girls in the street saying im new in town and looking for fun things to do on my day off LOL...
     
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    @Solong also by the way i bought a AU phone on craistlist since its GSM couldnt i unlock it and use overseas? just curious
     
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    damn it..ok so ive been thinking about it, but i wanna give this date cafe a try, wheres the best and inexpensive area to try..i wanna see my luck see if i get into a girl pants on 1st try
     
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    Ikebukuro, it's full of skanks from Saitama visiting the city.
     
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    I don't know, but since you already bought it, try and see what happens.
     
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    I'm kind of suspecting that certain locations and certain shops might be good, provided they are offering a real service and not petty scams.

    And, skanks is a relative term. I think that's a bit harsh... LOL!

    For some reason, I've had bad luck with pickup and hunting in the streets of Ikebukuro (minus the train station). I can do well in Shinjuku, Shibuya, Shinagawa, Shimbashi, etc... But Ikebukuro kills me, despite all the cute girls walking around.

    I haven't located a good spot to make attempts at nor a good date spot where a good hotel and restaurant were near each other. I suppose that I should study the area harder, but don't seem to have the patience.

    But on the P4P side, Ikebukuro seems to have lots of shops with younger college girls.
     
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    @Solong @psd haha i laughed at the term skanks...i will definitly try ikebukuro! but any idea where or what are the names of those establishments i am interested in giving one a shot...
     

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