Deposits & Advance Payments For Escorts

I can understand why you would want to do it. I don't know if I'd be willing to do it. It would really depend on the method, for example you mention a gift not sure how that works. I suspect they give you a digital gift card #, and if they cancel you just don't use it? I mean what's to stop them from the minute before they decide to cancel just entering that gift card number into their account. I suspect the person buying the gift card also gets a copy of the number electronically? no? (i've only ever bought physical gift cards).
Thanks for your response!

I’d go with the Amazon gift card method because they can be used for basic home necessities. Clients can also easily find them in convenience stores, Don Quijote, etc.

Admittedly, I’ve never received or purchased Amazon gift cards before, but I assume they’d work similarly to iTunes gift cards. If they do, clients can send me the code and I’ll verify if they haven’t been used yet before confirming the booking. Would this method work?

If it does, all I have to figure out is how to pay an Amazon gift card back if they cancel a day in advance. PayPal could be an option.. but I’d imagine they’d have to share their real name with me.
 
But what happens if, (in very rare cases) the client seems physically satisfied in the booking but then goes on to write a negative and unfair review, thus potentially damaging an escort’s business and self-esteem?
There is a massive difference between being ‘physically satisfied’ and having an experience that is worth the about 30-100k per session charged by various independents.
Ive never had a p4p experience where i didnt cum at least once but there have been various times where Ive been dissapointed by the experience and deeply regretted spending money on it.
 
Thanks for your response!

I’d go with the Amazon gift card method because they can be used for basic home necessities. Clients can also easily find them in convenience stores, Don Quijote, etc.

Admittedly, I’ve never received or purchased Amazon gift cards before, but I assume they’d work similarly to iTunes gift cards. If they do, clients can send me the code and I’ll verify if they haven’t been used yet before confirming the booking. Would this method work?

If it does, all I have to figure out is how to pay an Amazon gift card back if they cancel a day in advance. PayPal could be an option.. but I’d imagine they’d have to share their real name with me.

It looks like that could work. Looking at Amazon account they do have a means to "check" without redeeming a gift card.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gc/redeem/ref=gc_redeem_new_exp_DesktopRedirect

You're risk would be someone smart(asshole) enough to redeem the card before they cancel. You would just have to be ready to redeem it fast in case they cancel.
 
It looks like that could work. Looking at Amazon account they do have a means to "check" without redeeming a gift card.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gc/redeem/ref=gc_redeem_new_exp_DesktopRedirect

You're risk would be someone smart(asshole) enough to redeem the card before they cancel. You would just have to be ready to redeem it fast in case they cancel.
Oh wow. Thanks for the link! That’s very helpful.

I think I would redeem it immediately if the booking is in 24 hours or less time, but what if a client who wants to book in advance has had a change of plans? Would they be able to use a Japanese Amazon gift card for themselves if they don’t live in Japan?
 
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Unfortunately, yes. It happens a lot. I’m not the only indie who experiences it.

That’s what I’m trying to figure out right now. If a client cancels at least 24 hours before the booking, I will refund the deposit. I just need to figure out how to send it back. If it’s with Bitcoin, it’ll be easy, but I don’t know if they’d appreciate an Amazon gift card back. I know some countries don’t even have Amazon. :notworthy:

I feel like it’s not really losing clients, but dodging timewasters. What is a provider going to do with a 5,000yen deposit? Run away to Italy? It’s not smart to risk your entire business for that amount of money.

A 1,000yen deposit wouldn’t work for me because that wouldn’t even cover transportation costs. If a client is willing to pay me 30,000yen for one hour, but thinks 5,000yen for a deposit is too much, it doesn’t make sense to me.

You also have to consider the time we take in order to get ready. When I meet clients, I usually spent about 2-3 hours on hair and makeup. I want to look good, and I would highly prefer not to waste that much time if somebody is just going to cancel on me an hour or 30 minutes before we’re supposed to meet..

* I just want to be clear that these deposits are only for first-time clients. I trust my regulars and they very rarely cancel on me. *
It would definitely dodge timewasters, but I think it would also turn off some otherwise legit clients who aren't comfortable with these deposits for whatever reason (like some guys in this thread).
Older, unsavvy men aren't going to like messing around with bitcoin (hell, even I've never used it before).
But of course it's your business and you're free to do whatever works best for you.

With Amazon gift card, you'd claim it at the 24 hour mark. But if he cancels beforehand, then you can tell him to claim it himself (maybe you need to send the gift card info to him?) and you don't need to do anything... (he'll get the giftcard balance, but would be useless if he doesn't use amazon).
If only there were a way to convert gift cards into cash.
 
A deposit requirement would be a deal breaker for me unless you could somehow arrange to handle via cash in a way that (a)wouldn't inconvenience me and (b) would ensure my privacy. I visit Tokyo frequently but don"t live there and hence don't have any set up for online payments in Japanese Yen.

I get the annoyance of last minute cancellations or ghost appointments. I guess a deposit requirement would help avoid these but my sense is that it would also cause you to lose clients due to the hassle factor.

Just MHO.
 
Older, unsavvy men aren't going to like messing around with bitcoin

I'm an older and savvy man who won't mess around with bitcoin.

@MissInsomnia Theres a real dilemma here. For most professional services a booking deposit seems alien. There are of course exceptions, generally where the professional service results in something tangible like photography or legal services.

Travel and prep time/costs are sunk costs on your part whether or not a booking goes through but for most customers thats probably understood as your cost of doing business whether they go through with a booking or not. If you are going to request this of new customers, I'd suggest don't explain your costs, just say as early as possible its a standard for new customers and leave it at that. As for payment methods, Amazon cards look the easiest.
 
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Oh wow. Thanks for the link! That’s very helpful.

I think I would redeem it immediately if the booking is in 24 hours or less time, but what if a client who wants to book in advance has had a change of plans? Would they be able to use a Japanese Amazon gift card for themselves if they don’t live in Japan?

Amazon gift cards only work in their country of origin, so if it's an out of towner then this is not a good idea as they would not be able to use it. This would really only work with people who live in Japan who could use them.
 
If I may ask, do you use P4P? Because you don’t seem to have written any reviews so far.

I’m keeping in mind that some repliers may not even use escorts’ services in the first place.


Yes you may, and I did use P4P. And I did pay deposit a couple of times for escorts. But in my country it was hit and miss. Sometimes you lost deposit because it's fake, sometimes it's not.
So I was just saying based on my experience.
In Japan I only use Gontanda FS, Shinjuku street touts, Shin Okubo street walkers, Happy Hinomaru, Janjan, and Uguisudani nice pretty lady on the street. But I don't see any relationship between my reviews and my caution against lost money, especially after this question. Really.
 
Amazon gift cards only work in their country of origin, so if it's an out of towner then this is not a good idea as they would not be able to use it. This would really only work with people who live in Japan who could use them.
Amazon.com ships many things to Japan and has many nice things Amazon.co.jp does not. @MissInsomnia could specify .com and .co.jp cards only.
 
In Japan I only use Gontanda FS, Shinjuku street touts, Shin Okubo street walkers, Happy Hinomaru, Janjan, and Uguisudani nice pretty lady on the street. But I don't see any relationship between my reviews and my caution against lost money, especially after this question. Really.
Connection seems pretty obvious based on the previous sentence.
 
Amazon.com ships many things to Japan and has many nice things Amazon.co.jp does not. @MissInsomnia could specify .com and .co.jp cards only.

Unfortunately I've been having lots of issues with amazon.com shipping the things I want here. I suspect they are Amazon Marketplace vendors though.
 
But what happens if, (in very rare cases) the client seems physically satisfied in the booking but then goes on to write a negative and unfair review, thus potentially damaging an escort’s business and self-esteem?

Would the client be honest about how they felt, and opt to keep their “reverse-deposit” in lieu of writing a review?
Or would they pretend to be a gentleman, not say a word about their satisfaction level, return their “reverse-deposit” then write a disparaging review anyway?
I don't know how you define "physically satisfied" but a man can be physically satisfied even in a mediocre session. Physical satisfaction is only a small part of what a session is about.

Also bad reviews are even more important than good ones. They are written for fellow mongers to help them avoid paying for something they may regret.
 
I was thinking of using the “reverse-deposit” method that Frenchy mentioned.

For example, I currently charge 35,000 for an hour, so clients could send me an advance payment of 5,000yen to prove that they’re serious, and when they get to the booking, they only have to pay the remaining 30,000yen in cash. If by any chance, we’re not feeling the chemistry within the first 5 minutes that we’re together, they can keep the 30,000yen and I’ll keep the 5,000yen deposit to cover transportation costs and the time I took to get ready for a client.

At least for a few months. I currently live a little over an hour away from most meetup spots, and most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute, so it would just be nice to have more reliable clients.

When I’m ready to move back to the center, I will most likely stop asking for deposits.

What do you guys think?
that's not fair, if you're not as good as they expected they should have the right to get 35k back

you're not the only one paying for transportation and wasting time on it and if you say that you should be refunded for that while they shouldn't in case there is no service provided it would be the same as telling them you're better than them and that is not acceptable.

it's not about the money, it's about dignity. if you're in need for help I'm sure any gentleman in the street can give 5k yen or even more to take a cab but if you tell people they have to give you that money because you deserve it although you didn't give them anything in return they will think you are crazy.
 
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that's not fair, if you're not as good as they expected they should have the right to get 35k back

you're not the only one paying for transportation and wasting time on it and if you say that you should be refunded for that while they shouldn't in case there is no service provided it would be the same as telling them you're better than them and that is not acceptable.

it's not about the money, it's about dignity. if you're in need for help I'm sure any gentleman in the street can give 5k yen or even more to take a cab but if you tell people they have to give you that money because you deserve it although you didn't give them anything in return they will think you are crazy.
When did I ever imply that I’m better than my clients? A client’s time, money, and safety are just as important as mine.

However, if a client wants to see if I’m legit, they can read my reviews on TAG. Most of my reviews were written by active TAG users, some that TAG Manager has even met. I also have a Preferred411 account, meaning that I had to send them a copy of my ID. I also have public Twitter and Instagram accounts that clients can check out to see if we could be a good match before contacting me.

How would I know if a first-time client is legit? I don’t screen clients and only get an idea of their personality by the way they e-mail me.

I’m also not an aggressive/leader-type of provider, as all of my reviews mention or imply, so I always prefer that the client lead the session. The only times I won’t provide FS is when the client specifically asks not to include it in our session or when time has already run out.
 
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However, if a client wants to see if I’m legit, they can read my reviews on TAG. Most of my reviews were written by active TAG users, some that TAG Manager has even met. I also have a Preferred411 account, meaning that I had to send them a copy of my ID. I also have public Twitter and Instagram accounts that clients can check out to see if we could be a good match before contacting me.

I believe that on this occasion I really must side with e-smile. Over the years, I have a met a few providers whose photos were, how can I put it, taken several years and a number of kilos earlier. I am in no way implying that this is the case with yourself. I have never met you before and I have no idea who you are but I am sure that you probably do look exactly like your photos (you have a very cute smile by the way). However, I have certainly learnt to be wary of photos and to always take them with a pinch of salt.

I really know nothing about what the Japanese market is like but certainly at both the low end and high end of the market in, for example, London or Paris then I would suggest that insisting on an upfront payment would really affect your business a lot as it simply isn't done in those markets. Either incall or outcall at whatever price level.


if a client wants to see if I’m legit, they can read my reviews on TAG. Most of my reviews were written by active TAG users, some that TAG Manager has even met.

I think that you might possibly have a case if you were getting the vast majority of your customers through TAG, but is that really the case? If not, then any reviews you get on here aren't really affecting your business in any real way I would suggest.

Just as a comparison, there is a site in the UK for independent escorts (it's also used by agencies to some extent as well) called adultwork.com where feedback and reviews do play an important part and the site does remove adverts, or give warnings, when it is alleged that fake photos have been used. There is a similar site in France called 6annonce.com. You can think of these sites as a bit like Uber for escorts - the UK site has around 3,000 providers in London and more in other cities and the French site has around 500 in Paris and more in other cities in France.

Anecdotally, I am aware that good reviews make a lot of difference to these women as these sites are where they get the majority of their customers from.

If you had excellent reviews on the Tokyo equivalent of one of those sites (does such a thing exist in Japan?) then I could well understand that you might wish to demand a deposit and that it would be unlikely to affect your business. However, is TAG (with all due respect to the site - I actually do think it's a great resource) and the reviews given here really on the same scale and have the same influence in Tokyo that those other sites have in their own markets? I would suggest not.

However, at the end of the day, if it works for you and you find it doesn't put off too many new customers then go for it.


I currently live a little over an hour away from most meetup spots, and most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute, so it would just be nice to have more reliable clients.

I would suggest that there are two ways of dealing with this. Firstly, have an incall location (incall means that your customers come to you) or insist that they give you a name and room number in a hotel that you can then call the hotel and check that they are actually booked in there.

I understand that Japan has a thing with "love hotels" so this may not be the norm in your situation. However, if you were to say to new clients that you would only meet them in a proper hotel the first time and that you need the room number that they are staying in then this would allow you to call ahead and make sure that they really are there. This is ceratinly something that is done in the major cities that I've lived in (disclaimer I haven't been to Tokyo yet)


If I may ask, do you use P4P? Because you don’t seem to have written any reviews so far.

I’m keeping in mind that some repliers may not even use escorts’ services in the first place.

Believe me, I certainly have (although not in Japan). Everything from teenage street walkers in Bradford (a city in the north of England) where, 25 years ago, a quickie in the back seat of your car was the equivalent of 4,000 Yen to Russian and French runway models at a cost of 100,000 Yen an hour.




ps There are other similar sites in many other countries. For example, I worked in Russia for a number of years and there is also a similar site in Moscow called intimcity.nl with about 3,000 providers

pps If it makes any difference, the sites I give above don't really have the high end girls advertising on them. Rates in London on this site are typically the equivalent of 20-30,000 Yen per hour. The real high end agencies and escorts (the sort that are 50-150,000 Yen per hour) just use their own websites. However, even here, I have never ever come across anyone asking fo a deposit (unless it was for a travelling a very long distance or going overseas)
 
I believe that on this occasion I really must side with e-smile. Over the years, I have a met a few providers whose photos were, how can I put it, taken several years and a number of kilos earlier. I am in no way implying that this is the case with yourself. I have never met you before and I have no idea who you are but I am sure that you probably do look exactly like your photos (you have a very cute smile by the way). However, I have certainly learnt to be wary of photos and to always take them with a pinch of salt.

I really know nothing about what the Japanese market is like but certainly at both the low end and high end of the market in, for example, London or Paris then I would suggest that insisting on an upfront payment would really affect your business a lot as it simply isn't done in those markets. Either incall or outcall at whatever price level.




I think that you might possibly have a case if you were getting the vast majority of your customers through TAG, but is that really the case? If not, then any reviews you get on here aren't really affecting your business in any real way I would suggest.

Just as a comparison, there is a site in the UK for independent escorts (it's also used by agencies to some extent as well) called adultwork.com where feedback and reviews do play an important part and the site does remove adverts, or give warnings, when it is alleged that fake photos have been used. There is a similar site in France called 6annonce.com. You can think of these sites as a bit like Uber for escorts - the UK site has around 3,000 providers in London and more in other cities and the French site has around 500 in Paris and more in other cities in France.

Anecdotally, I am aware that good reviews make a lot of difference to these women as these sites are where they get the majority of their customers from.

If you had excellent reviews on the Tokyo equivalent of one of those sites (does such a thing exist in Japan?) then I could well understand that you might wish to demand a deposit and that it would be unlikely to affect your business. However, is TAG (with all due respect to the site - I actually do think it's a great resource) and the reviews given here really on the same scale and have the same influence in Tokyo that those other sites have in their own markets? I would suggest not.

However, at the end of the day, if it works for you and you find it doesn't put off too many new customers then go for it.




I would suggest that there are two ways of dealing with this. Firstly, have an incall location (incall means that your customers come to you) or insist that they give you a name and room number in a hotel that you can then call the hotel and check that they are actually booked in there.

I understand that Japan has a thing with "love hotels" so this may not be the norm in your situation. However, if you were to say to new clients that you would only meet them in a proper hotel the first time and that you need the room number that they are staying in then this would allow you to call ahead and make sure that they really are there. This is ceratinly something that is done in the major cities that I've lived in (disclaimer I haven't been to Tokyo yet)




Believe me, I certainly have (although not in Japan). Everything from teenage street walkers in Bradford (a city in the north of England) where, 25 years ago, a quickie in the back seat of your car was the equivalent of 4,000 Yen to Russian and French runway models at a cost of 100,000 Yen an hour.




ps There are other similar sites in many other countries. For example, I worked in Russia for a number of years and there is also a similar site in Moscow called intimcity.nl with about 3,000 providers

pps If it makes any difference, the sites I give above don't really have the high end girls advertising on them. Rates in London on this site are typically the equivalent of 20-30,000 Yen per hour. The real high end agencies and escorts (the sort that are 50-150,000 Yen per hour) just use their own websites. However, even here, I have never ever come across anyone asking fo a deposit (unless it was for a travelling a very long distance or going overseas)
Thanks for the compliment.. but did you really just explain to me, an escort, what an incall was..?

I host international tours from time to time and usually provide incalls.. but renting an incall location in Tokyo is so risky financial-wise. Japan’s foreign client market is far too small to invest in something like that. Even if it were for only one day, I would have to ask the client for a deposit in order to book an Airbnb or hotel room, and I highly doubt he’d pay that because love hotels already exist.

Most clients already want me to come directly to their hotel and provide their room number, but they can always cancel if they feel too tired, have made other plans, or if they’re having financial second thoughts.. so I don’t think that’s a sure-fire way to know that he’s serious.
 
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Hana - in the case of clients from the USA many will have P411 accounts or TER white lists. I don't mind at all if an escort asks me for a reference as a new clients but as I already indicated the requirement of a deposit is a no go for me.
 
Thanks for the compliment.. but did you really just explain to me, an escort, what an incall was..?

Certainly not. Different countries have different names for things and I have long since learnt not to make broad cultural assumptions when moving from one country to another. It would have been very arrogant of me indeed to assume that the term was necessarily used in Japan.

I know nothing of Japanese culture and I don't know if that term is used there (or in other countries where you may have worked). It would have been crass of me indeed to simply assume that a term used in a country I live in is also necessarily used elsewhere. I am glad to hear that incall is used in Japan, the only term I've come across in Japan is delivery health for outcall, I don't even know what the Japanese term for incall is.

I just had a quick look at your website and I note that you grew up in the USA and so now I realise that, of course, you are used to English terminology. But would a Japanese/Peruvian escort who hadn't grown up in the USA be aware of the term? I don't know.

Certainly, if you go to other countries and talk of "incall" then there is a good chance that you really won't be understood. For example, in Russia incall is apartment and in France it's to receive. I really wouldn't ever go to another country and just assume that what works in my culture is also used in another culture.
 
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Hana - in the case of clients from the USA many will have P411 accounts or TER white lists. I don't mind at all if an escort asks me for a reference as a new clients but as I already indicated the requirement of a deposit is a no go for me
This also wouldn’t work for me because most of my real clients have never used an escort service before. LOL.

I don’t know about TER, but if they’re already feeling uncomfortable with sending a 5,000yen deposit, I doubt that they’d spend 99 USD for a P411 membership application that doesn’t even guarantee approval.

I understand deposits can be really controversial, and I’m still not sure if I’ll go through with it, but thanks for your reply.
 
Certainly not. Different countries have different names for things and I have long since learnt not to make broad cultural assumptions when moving from one country to another. It would have been very arrogant of me indeed to assume that the term was necessarily used in Japan.

I know nothing of Japanese culture and I don't know if that term is used there (or in other countries where you may have worked). It would have been crass of me indeed to simply assume that a term used in a country I live in is also necessarily used elsewhere. I am glad to hear that incall is used in Japan, the only term I've come across in Japan is delivery health for outcall, I don't even know what the Japanese term for incall is.

I just had a quick look at your website and I note that you grew up in the USA and so now I realise that, of course, you are used to English terminology. But would a Japanese/Peruvian escort who hadn't grown up in the USA be aware of the term? I don't know.

Certainly, if you go to other countries and talk of "incall" then there is a good chance that you really won't be understood. For example, in Russia incall is apartment and in France it's to receive. I really wouldn't ever go to another country and just assume that what works in my culture is also used in another culture.
Ah, okay. Thank you for clearing that up.

Yes, I was raised in California. I don’t know if the word “incall” is popular among Japanese sexworkers and clients, but I think most, if not all, foreign sexworkers in Japan would understand what it means.

And I didn’t know that France and Russia had different understandings of the word. You learn something new everyday.. haha.
 
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This also wouldn’t work for me because most of my real clients have never used an escort service before. LOL.
Most first-time mongers are already very nervous about contacting an escort. now add the extra hurdle of amazon gift cards/bitcoin...

you could always implement the policy on a trial basis then revert if things don't go well.
 
Most first-time mongers are already very nervous about contacting an escort. now add the extra hurdle of amazon gift cards/bitcoin...

you could always implement the policy on a trial basis then revert if things don't go well.
But they have other escort options if they don’t feel comfortable with a deposit right? I’ve had a first-time client who wanted me to be his travel companion and paid thousands of dollars in advance for a multiple-day booking, so I know it can work.

It really depends on the client.
 
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