Dodging a kiss on the second

[Frenchy]

Old school...

Nah, bad kisser

 

[e-smile]

Lucky boy. For me it was more like « I rarely did second meetings with girls I DID kiss on the first »

I usually don't do second date either if the first ended with only a kiss.
all my LTR have been with girls I slept with on the fist day, including my wife
I know many girls have this stupid "don't sleep on the first date" policy but mine is "not keep seeing a girl who's not at least equally attracted to you" policy. we can only build up a relation if he can't wait fucking me same way I can't wait fucking her.

 

[Frenchy]

I usually don't do second date either if the first ended with only a kiss.
all my LTR have been with girls I slept with on the fist day, including my wife
I know many girls have this stupid "don't sleep on the first date" policy but mine is "not keep seeing a girl who's not at least equally attracted to you" policy. we can only build up a relation if he can't wait fucking me same way I can't wait fucking her.

Yes, well if you have a daughter you may think twice before giving that kind of advice

 

[e-smile]

Yes, well if you have a daughter you may think twice before giving that kind of advice

if I have a daughter I'll try to educate her as a lesbian

blague à part, I'm not going to tell her not to have sex on the first date for sure I don't think it's a stupid policy only because I'm a guy.

 

[jhingy567]

Sorry but I call BS on that. You probably just find uncomfortable to be seen in public holding hands or kissing with a much older man which is understandable in a way , but I am not so sure it is completely about « discretion »

Speaking of whether it’s rude or not, I think you calling my preferences “BS” and trying to back up your idea with your theories about my behavior is very rude. It’s my private life and what goes on between me and a partner or client is my business.

Since frenchy brought it up: can ladies here actually honestly answer whether it's embarrassing to be seen hand-in-hand with clients who are ugly/badly dressed/ 'older than Dad' ??

 

[MikeH]

Since frenchy brought it up: can ladies here actually honestly answer whether it's embarrassing to be seen hand-in-hand with clients who are ugly/badly dressed/ 'older than Dad' ??

Last I checked I was not a lady but I still have the answer to you.

If it is embarrassing to them then no, they cannot honestly answer that question. At least not if they are not already retired from the game.

 

[Simonka]

Since frenchy brought it up: can ladies here actually honestly answer whether it's embarrassing to be seen hand-in-hand with clients who are ugly/badly dressed/ 'older than Dad' ??

I’m not sure if I can make myself clear.. I simply don’t enjoy walking like we have just formed a molecule. Lol. I’m very physically active and I need my independence while walking. Doesn’t matter it’s my real life partner or client. Has very little to do with if he looks like Chris Pratt or has ties to the Habsburg dynasty.

On top of his, we are living in Japan and it garners unwanted attention on the street if you get too close to someone. I don’t want to hear comments from passerby’s.

Am I embarrassed to be with older, ugly or fat people? (Whatever you name it without sugar coating) No, I’m not, never been a person who harshly judges others based on appearance, neither do I think too highly of myself. It’s sad that some assume I’m that kind of person, whereas there are countless other things they could have asked me..

 

[Durg50]

I’m not sure if I can make myself clear.. I just don’t enjoy walking like we have just formed a molecule. Lol. I’m very physically active and I need my independence while walking. Doesn’t matter it’s my real life partner or client. Has very little to do with if he looks like Chris Pratt or has ties to the Habsburg dynasty.

On top of his, we are living in Japan and it garners unwanted attention on the street if you get too close to someone. I don’t want to hear comments from passerby’s.

Am I embarrassed to be with older, ugly or fat people? (Whatever you name it without sugar coating) No, I’m not, never been a person who harshly judges others based on appearance, neither do I think too highly of myself. It’s sad if some assume I’m that kind of person, whereas there are countless other things you could have asked me..

If you are in Kabukicho or some other LH district, and you as a relatively young and attractive slim person are with man that is clearly not young, slim or attractive, would you be ok holding hands with them? It would be very clear to anyone what the relationship is and what your job is given the proximity to love hotels, age and looks differences.
I absolutely take you at your word that you aren't embarrassed to be seen with older, fat or ugly people, but how about being clearly recognized by the general public in the street as a working girl? I thought that was something that the majority of providers seek to avoid?

 

[User#8628]

all my LTR have been with girls I slept with on the fist day, including my wife
I know many girls have this stupid "don't sleep on the first date" policy but mine is "not keep seeing a girl who's not at least equally attracted to you" policy. we can only build up a relation if he can't wait fucking me same way I can't wait fucking her.

Same goes for me. If you can wait, its usually not worth the wait.

 

[User#8628]

If you are in Kabukicho or some other LH district, and you as a relatively young and attractive slim person are with man that is clearly not young, slim or attractive, would you be ok holding hands with them? It would be very clear to anyone what the relationship is and what your job is given the proximity to love hotels, age and looks differences.
I absolutely take you at your word that you aren't embarrassed to be seen with older, fat or ugly people, but how about being clearly recognized by the general public in the street as a working girl? I thought that was something that the majority of providers seek to avoid?

Enough girls in kabuki cho who are doing this, also Japanese ones.

 

[Simonka]

If you are in Kabukicho or some other LH district, and you as a relatively young and attractive slim person are with man that is clearly not young, slim or attractive, would you be ok holding hands with them? It would be very clear to anyone what the relationship is and what your job is given the proximity to love hotels, age and looks differences.
I absolutely take you at your word that you aren't embarrassed to be seen with older, fat or ugly people, but how about being clearly recognized by the general public in the street as a working girl? I thought that was something that the majority of providers seek to avoid?

Thank you for making an effort to understand me. Yes, I’m trying to avoid making it obvious to the trained eye that I am working as an escort in the evenings.. In my case I need to be *very* discreet because my daytime colleagues, friends and social circle are vanilla people who may not be very supportive of my “secret life”. Some of my clients have to do the same, because they’re married / in a relationship, or have colleagues who might judge them.

Another concern of mine is if my client is a high profile person, I do not want passerby’s to take photos of us because finding myself trapped in a scandal is the last thing I need..

Then again, I haven’t been much of a hand holder with my real partners either. I prefer to show my love and affection behind closed doors.

Anyways, this discussion is getting way too long and the moral of the story is everyone has their own personal preference and people should respect that.. If it’s not working for a potential client, they may seek another companion who’s active in Tokyo.

 

[Frenchy]

Thank you for making an effort to understand me. Yes, I’m trying to avoid making it obvious to the trained eye that I am working as an escort in the evenings.. In my case I need to be *very* discreet because my daytime colleagues, friends and social circle are vanilla people who may not be very supportive of my “secret life”. Some of my clients have to do the same, because they’re married / in a relationship, or have colleagues who might judge them.

Another concern of mine is if my client is a high profile person, I do not want passerby’s to take photos of us because finding myself trapped in a scandal is the last thing I need..

Then again, I haven’t been much of a hand holder with my real partners either. I prefer to show my love and affection behind closed doors.

Anyways, this discussion is getting way too long and the moral of the story is everyone has their own personal preference and people should respect that.. If it’s not working for a potential client, they may seek another companion who’s active in Tokyo.

I agree with you (surprise surprise!) but I just wanted to say that if you market a session with you as « GFE » , including social time and walking outside, some (not all, even probably just a minority) clients may be miffed if you give them the Melania treatment. Personnally it would not put me in the right mood for the rest of the date, so maybe a bit of prior explanations would be necessary, thats all. And I just talk about light hands-holding , not French-kissing like crazies on the sidewalk of course

 

[Mrmer]

Who would have thought a kiss was so complex.....

 

[Simonka]

I agree with you (surprise surprise!) but I just wanted to say that if you market a session with you as « GFE » , including social time and walking outside, some (not all, even probably just a minority) clients may be miffed if you give them the Melania treatment. Personnally it would not put me in the right mood for the rest of the date, so maybe a bit of prior explanations would be necessary, thats all. And I just talk about light hands-holding , not French-kissing like crazies on the sidewalk of course

Thank you for the advice. On the contrary, I usually get repeat bookings after my dinner and desert dates..

It’s an age old discussion what “GFE” is. By the way I do not give my clients the “Melania” treatment, and it’s inappropriate to assume how the First Lady acts behind closed doors either.

 

[User#8628]

Thank you for the advice. On the contrary, I usually get repeat bookings after my dinner and desert dates. It’s an age old discussion what “GFE” is. I do not give my clients the “Melania” treatment, and it’s inappropriate to assume how the First Lady acts behind closed doors either.

Some people are very hard headed in believing that their judgement of how an escort should behave is superior, even though we do just fine getting repeats and positive reactions.

 

[Simonka]

Some people are very hard headed in believing that their judgement of how an escort should behave is superior, even though we do just fine getting repeats and positive reactions.

It’s called fear mongering.
Thank you Alice Oh the things I want to do with you “behind closed doors”

 

[Acid Burn]

In my case I need to be *very* discreet because my daytime colleagues, friends and social circle are vanilla people who may not be very supportive of my “secret life”. Some of my clients have to do the same, because they’re married / in a relationship, or have colleagues who might judge them.

But I can understand if the GFE is a in-bedroom only concept.. as long as the time outside of it is not charged then!

I actually need the GFE to start/end inside the room. Although some PDA outside would be nice, the last thing I need is to run into a colleague or friend with someone holding my hand or more. Even if age appropriate, it will raise questions I’d rather not have to answer. I have very conservative social and work circles.

Another concern of mine is if my client is a high profile person, I do not want passerby’s to take photos of us because finding myself trapped in a scandal is the last thing I need.

I’m no high profile person, but it’s not just photos, I worry about video too. With reality shows that shoot in Tokyo, random shows about Japan travel or some documentary of a Japan topic, I get paranoid.

All you need is one scene in Terrace House where they’re outside in Tokyo and the camera pans to the background and oops, outed. Hell, even being in the background of those live shots or live interviews on the morning news I need to be careful with.

 

[User#8628]

I’m no high profile person, but it’s not just photos, I worry about video too. With reality shows that shoot in Tokyo, random shows about Japan travel or some documentary of a Japan topic, I get paranoid.

All you need is one scene in Terrace House where they’re outside in Tokyo and the camera pans to the background and oops, outed. Hell, even being in the background of those live shots or live interviews on the morning news I need to be careful with.

Honestly, it should be illegal.
I don’t like the idea of being in the background of a video either. It could be some weird low budget porn or i could have an off day according to looks or indeed, be filmed together hanging out with someone I don’t really want to be associated with to the public either. Its really annoying though it wont stop me from interacting with someone (honestly the idea of my face and hair looking weird on tv is worse to me).

 

[jhingy567]

Last I checked I was not a lady but I still have the answer to you.

If it is embarrassing to them then no, they cannot honestly answer that question. At least not if they are not already retired from the game.

Yes, I'm aware. I have this habit of asking these kinds of 'pointless' questions , because sometimes the response can be interesting.

Am I embarrassed to be with older, ugly or fat people? (Whatever you name it without sugar coating) No, I’m not, never been a person who harshly judges others based on appearance, neither do I think too highly of myself. It’s sad that some assume I’m that kind of person, whereas there are countless other things they could have asked me..

Well sorry if it sounded like I was assuming that. I'm glad my Habsburg-esque appearance wouldn't be a factor in us not holding hands in public

 

[Simonka]

Yes, I'm aware. I have this habit of asking these kinds of 'pointless' questions , because sometimes the response can be interesting.
Well sorry if it sounded like I was assuming that. I'm glad my Habsburg-esque appearance wouldn't be a factor in us not holding hands in public

Hey, who could resist those Habsburg bottom lips! (I’m a bottom lip person)

 

[Frenchy]

Thank you for the advice. On the contrary, I usually get repeat bookings after my dinner and desert dates..

It’s an age old discussion what “GFE” is. By the way I do not give my clients the “Melania” treatment, and it’s inappropriate to assume how the First Lady acts behind closed doors either.

Ok my purpose was not to say you SHOULD act one way or another. And in most cases guys (including in this thread) prefer no PDA at all, indeed. Just wanted to know what do you think is the appropriate reaction if a client (old, ugly or not) wants to hold your hand on the street as he may think this is part of the GFE.

 

[Durg50]

and it’s inappropriate to assume how the First Lady acts behind closed doors either.

Innapropriate and gross / depressing considering who she’s doing it with.

 

[Frenchy]

Innapropriate and gross / depressing considering who she’s doing it with.

I thought they do not even sleep together? Not that I care much to be honest

 

[Sudsy]

Who would have thought a kiss was so complex.....

The best ones are.

 

[User#8628]

Since frenchy brought it up: can ladies here actually honestly answer whether it's embarrassing to be seen hand-in-hand with clients who are ugly/badly dressed/ 'older than Dad' ??

Hmm. To be honest i do not mind that kind of appearance at all myself but i am conscious about how it looks to the outside. I like the feeling of holding hands when walking or on the dinner table but I do not like the looks of people when walking to a love hotel, ESPECIALLY not from foreign tourists.
When a middle aged white women stares at me i get that “mom is judging me” feeling.
Also it seems some quite old guys are “proud” to walk around with a young girl but i get this kind of “who are you fooling?” feeling..