Closed Fake Provider Reviews

[meiji]

Not speaking as a moderator here --

It's difficult, but my initial reaction was:
1. All reviews go into a "pre-approved" queue before being published.

Lots of other boards have review queues generally so that they can give credit for quality reviews. The main successful one that I've been on -- ECCIE -- didn't pre-screen reviews to verify their authenticity. Objections to those reviews were handled after they were published.

As has been mentioned before, this is way too much machinery to put in place at the moment, especially given the manpower needed.

2. Any suspicious reviews are mailed to the escort (if she's a TAG member) and asked for her to verify.

I personally have a really tough time giving a 3rd party final approval on board content. Nothing against any provider here, but there will be expectations not met, either via misunderstandings or a provider having a bad day, and everyone has a right to express their own opinion in the matter. A good review writer will be gentle instead of going thermonuclear, but even someone that's outraged by a situation has a right to express that outrage, just as the provider has a right to respond. Allowing a provider to ax a review that's suspicious allows her to dump any criticism of her, whether that criticism is accurate or not. Again, nothing against provider TAG members, but if they have the right to ax an accurate but negative review, don't you think many would do so? I know if it would affect my business, I probably would.

The key here, as @Willful mentioned is research. Seeing a 'well-reviewed' provider doesn't mean going to see a woman with a single glowing review by some random user. It's seeing one that has a long history of good reviews, or is reviewed by a user that I trust, or she works for an organization that I've had a lot of good experiences with in the past. And there's always going to be negative reviews, suspicious or otherwise. Everyone has bad days. A provider that is known for mindblowing experiences 90-95% of the time is a really good bet.

On ECCIE, there were users that I knew had very similar tastes in body type, etc that I did, so when they gave a provider a glowing review I knew to put that woman on my short list. That's slightly harder to do given the more transient nature of the foreigner hobby network in Tokyo, but it gives you an idea of what we should strive for.

None TAG members, the suspicious review is automatically removed.

I completely disagree with this. We can't be axing reviews of non-member providers when one of the main points of TAG is to give guys options above and beyond the foreigner friendly.

3. If the escort approves the review, and it turns out to be fake, then ban the escort, remove all positive reviews of her and change the shill review into a warning post. This would work for TAG account holders only.

Wiping out review history is a really bad idea for a number of reasons.

I don't personally think this is really that common of a phenomenon to be a major issue. We need to encourage people to post reviews, and we need to encourage people to continue reporting things they think are fishy. I don't think we really have that much of a problem with people reporting those things, honestly.

 

[NormalGuy]

We can't be axing reviews of non-member providers when one of the main points of TAG is to give guys options above and beyond the foreigner friendly.

I understand what you are saying, and agree, but I think maybe I should have stressed the word in bold: None TAG members, the suspicious review is automatically removed

I wasn't talking about 99.9% of the reviews that are accurate, so if there's a positive or negative review that is accurate you would just approve it (without the option of veto by the provider), it was more for the obvious first review which is so overboard on the positive (or negative) that it's legitimacy is questioned.

But I also agree with it not being a big problem.

 

[Sudsy]

In all honesty, the number of questionable reviews that have cropped up here have been pretty miniscule, and swiftly handled. It's really not worth the effort it would take to put some sort of verification system in place beyond what's already here, and it would discourage new posters from getting involved.

 

[hardharry]

I like injip's points. I have been a member since 2015. Had only one encounter - a lovely afternoon with Mako from AM. Thought about posting, but remembered how sceptical I myself am of glowing first time posters. Decided i would rack up some cred first and then just never got around to it.

Now I am considering another (insert euphemism here) and want to post a review (hate just being one of those lurkers). So here I am doing my bit for society. May i ask the room a question should i post about an encounter even if it occured a year ago?

 

[User#8628]

- Not a bait and switch - pics are real/recent and it's who you actually meet.
- System - Cost vs. Time vs. Value
- Point out any major flaws (that aren't disclosed and would be a deal breaker for *most* people.)
- Report on general attitude and overall service from start to finish. (i.e. clock watcher, one pop and done, too mechanical, 'dead fish' syndrome...etc.)

Generally this systhem works very well for reviews about shops that mainly cater to Japanese clients and that maybe don't even know that TAG exists. However for escorts using TAG this is pretty flawed.

The no bait and switch this is not much of an issue for girls who regulary post on TAG. Most of them have been vertified by the TAG staff or are well known by a few of the regulary posting crowd, so it's pretty known that we look like our pictures. Also we provide high end service so i expect we are not clock watchers or girls who finish up after one pop if there could easily be more in it.
The flawed part is that we do read the reviews, that our feelings could get hurt and that any kind monger knows this and probably would consider this while writing a review. Unless some of us were actually spreading diseases or stealing money i don't think they would complain. "She was a bit fatter than i imagined from the pictures" or something would be pretty hurtful to read and would be said much easier about a girl of random soapland than off a girl who you know is gonna read this. People have to keep in mind that the reviews of the girls who use TAG are much sugarcoated compared to the reviews of other providers. I don't think you often find a bad review about the girls adverticing here, also because we are all pretty girls (at least evenyone i have met) and we all claim to provide a high class service so we'll most likely try to work hard for it.

Also we have quite some pressure with guys asking if we have reviews... So yes, if i know someone has a good reputation and i think we had a good time i'll ask them to review.

 

[TAG Manager]

However for escorts using TAG this is pretty flawed.

We only have a handful of ladies that we know actually read and post on this site. There are tons of others that read but don't post... a few stopped reading because of the registration requirement to view reviews.

We have filtered out the trash from posting here... namely fly-by-night agencies that have tried to post their ad here (found on BP usually) -- a lot of this gets filtered out or removed before the majority of the readers get to see it.

Reviews should be honest even if it's technically hurtful... but for the ladies we have here now, most are top notch and each of you give a good experience. There'd be no reason for a bad review.

My list that you quoted is a general view and it's setup for one side or the other; that was just the main areas that we were looking for, especially in the early days when we didn't have such fabulous independents.

 

[User#8628]

Generally the admins don't seem to think there is a problem so don't worry OP @MossBoss

 

[Willful]

We only have a handful of ladies that we know actually read and post on this site. There are tons of others that read but don't post... a few stopped reading because of the registration requirement to view reviews.

My list that you quoted is a general view and it's setup for one side or the other; that was just the main areas that we were looking for, especially in the early days when we didn't have such fabulous independents.

If I ever get a job in Japan it will be my goal to complete the independent list in this site before getting hitched; hopefully it doesn't grow too big!

 

[TAG Manager]

If I ever get a job in Japan it will be my goal to complete the independent list in this site before getting hitched; hopefully it doesn't grow too big!

As more girls opt to not join an agency, the list will grow. We're adding one today (already known) and seems like another will be added soon.

 

[User#8628]

I think you maybe misunderstand: I don't think I have need to stand handing out refunds. However, if someone was to write a review about me that said that I love anal sex, only for the gentlemen on the next date to request this and be told that this is not something that I actually offer, then that is cause for concern, no?

I figure it's just an example but in this particular case it's not abnoral.

Anal sex strongly depends on dick size and also a girl might have had another anal customer going a bit too rough on her and needing recovery.
So it's perfectly normal to offer anal to some guys but not always have it available on the menue.

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

I figure it's just an example but in this particular case it's not abnoral.

Anal sex strongly depends on dick size and also a girl might have had another anal customer going a bit too rough on her and needing recovery.
So it's perfectly normal to offer anal to some guys but not always have it available on the menue.

I would go even further and say that it's the clients fault only, if he expects service that he didn't inquire about before and that is not listed on @User#16452 's ad or website.
Unless you explicitly state to him that it is available, it is really not your fault.
Reviews have to be consumed with some degree of common sense. The more reviews available, the better.

 

[User#8628]

I would go even further and say that it's the clients fault only, if he expects service that he didn't inquire about before and that is not listed on @User#16452 's ad or website.
Unless you explicitly state to him that it is available, it is really not your fault.
Reviews have to be consumed with some degree of common sense. The more reviews available, the better.

Yup, anal is a sensitive (literally) matter, and if you randomly request it after meeting then you should expect a high chance of hearing "no" wether someone has it on offer on they website or has a review about their good anal service or not.
This is really something that should be asked about in advance. Many girls don't offer it and many girls who offer it need to prepare in advance.

 

[User#16452]

I figure it's just an example but in this particular case it's not abnoral.

Anal sex strongly depends on dick size and also a girl might have had another anal customer going a bit too rough on her and needing recovery.
So it's perfectly normal to offer anal to some guys but not always have it available on the menue.

I am well aware of this already. In the my original post I mentioned "not something I actually offer", i.e. not available to anyone. As you mention, it was just an example anyway.

Let's keep the thread on topic

 

[injp]

Let's keep the thread on topic

Anal sex is always on topic

 

[MossBoss]

Yup, anal is a sensitive (literally) matter, and if you randomly request it after meeting then you should expect a high chance of hearing "no" wether someone has it on offer on they website or has a review about their good anal service or not.
This is really something that should be asked about in advance. Many girls don't offer it and many girls who offer it need to prepare in advance.

It works both ways. I have heard of high end escorts charging 70,000 yen an hour and not revealing that she only offers covered BJs (along with covered FS) until they are both naked. There is nothing wrong with keeping everything covered as long as the client is informed in advanced. It is disingenuous to keep one's BJ policy under wraps so to speak.
Regards,

MossBoss

 

[Solong]

It works both ways. I have heard of high end escorts charging 70,000 yen an hour and not revealing that she only offers covered BJs until they are both naked. There is nothing wrong with only offering CBJs as long as the client is informed in advanced. It is disingenuous to keep one's BJ policy under wraps so to speak.
Regards,

MossBoss

Paying 70,000 yen for vanilla or lower quality sex is mind-boggling. What exactly is a man paying for at that price point? The fading memory of having very restricted "short-time" with a kind of pretty/pretty woman.

 

[TAG Manager]

Paying 70,000 yen for vanilla or lower quality sex is mind-boggling. What exactly is a man paying for at that price point? The fading memory of having very restricted "short-time" with a kind of pretty/pretty woman.

Or, 80,000 yen and no sex at all?! How about those potatoes?

 

[User#8628]

It works both ways. I have heard of high end escorts charging 70,000 yen an hour and not revealing that she only offers covered BJs (along with covered FS) until they are both naked. There is nothing wrong with keeping everything covered as long as the client is informed in advanced. It is disingenuous to keep one's BJ policy under wraps so to speak.
Regards,

MossBoss

Well, it's saver to inform at first what is exactly on the menue.
I know that BBJ is common in Japan but that is not the case in every country and if you have anything particular in play that is very important for you and that you expect to receive then it's a good idea to ask about this up front.

Paying 70,000 yen for vanilla or lower quality sex is mind-boggling. What exactly is a man paying for at that price point? The fading memory of having very restricted "short-time" with a kind of pretty/pretty woman.

More expensive generally means more pretty. Also they try to target rich people by such prices.
70.000 is a lot to many people, but not to everyone. Some can miss it more easy than others.

Anyway, there is definitely market for expensive girls, if no one would book them they would lower their prices or quit.

People should decide for themselves what they spend their money on and what is too much.

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

Some shade throwing going on here huh @MossBoss

 

[MossBoss]

Some shade throwing going on here huh @MossBoss

Can't see any myself. It seems like a positive and constructive thread. Everyone seems interested in making TAG even better for the loveliness angels and the mongers alike.

Kindest Regards,

MossBoss

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

Can't see any myself. It seems like a positive and constructive thread. Everyone seems interested in making TAG even better for the loveliness angels and the mongers alike.

Kindest Regards,

MossBoss

Seems more like "let's guilt trip girls into doing things they're not comfortable with because we are spending more than we can afford" to me.

If you want bbbj service and its that important to you, then you should request it. If you want to have a good time with a lady, enjoy her services and have her be completely comfortable then you should let her do what she needs in order for her provide said services.

The reason people think some reviews are 'fake' is one of two things. Either they are really fake and the provider cannot prove otherwise that it is real; or one customer whos expectations were not met is running his mouth so much that other people begin to doubt the legitimacy of the reviews.

If indeed you think a review is fake, why not ask for proof? Say a screenshot of the messages from that day or of the planning of the meet. Measures can be taken to hide the identity of the monger too if needed.

Either way, this thread is far from constructive and in my opinion just a way to subtly badmouth providers one cant afford.

Why pay 70,000 when other girls are 20,000?

Looks, service, cleanliness, skills and confidentiality.

Unfortunately not everyone will be satisfied with every service (what a world it would be if we were). But those who arent maybe should look at their actions towards a provider to see why she's so great to others -- but not to oneself.

 

[Anna Summer]

I think some people read too much into something which is not there. I don't consider anything here as badmouthing at all. But that's just me and I try to see things from a neutral position.

And to add: sometimes it's better to just ignore certain things. Let people talk. This is an open forum with different opinions. And that goes for both sides of preferences.

 

[MossBoss]

The initial post has received 9 'likes' so it seems to be an issue people want to talk about about. In the media in general 'fake reports' is a discussion point. Sites which review a variety of businesses such as restaurants have a problem with it. Either fake positive reviews from the owners or fake negative from rivals.

Actually as this discussion has shown fake reports aren't a major issue on TAG. This discussion has served the purpose to reinforce the view that people posting on TAG are basically honest so we needn't worry too much about fake reviews. In addition the TAG guys have ways of identifying fake reviews which most people probably aren't even aware of.

I have reported what I viewed as 'suspect' reports in the past and the moderators dealt with the issue quickly and professionally.

This thread has run its course. I kindly request the moderators to close it.

If anyone including Jennifer wants to continue a discussion on the subject, PM me.

 

[TAG Manager]

Done.