Inquiry From Delivery Health Ladies

[TAG Manager]

We have received some information that there are a number of ladies working in delivery health that are looking for a way to hookup with wealthy foreigners in Japan.

Does anyone know if an active site that has a good reputation about this kind of hookup? These ladies are looking for someone they can connect to and stay with for a longer period of time. They aren't interested in playing musical chairs.

We're not offering any personal connections, just collecting advice on where to look.

With the Olympics coming to town in 7 years, theses ladies are expecting the Tokyo government to clamp down Tokyo's sex trade. We predict that the independent scene will explode as it did in other cities.

 

[Zaphod222]

That is an interesting conundrum. For Japanese speakers, there is a whole world of bulletin boards where girls can and do post "sugardaddy wanted" messages. With the desired price eliminating the riffraff. But the rich expats hardly speak Japanese, and won´t ask their executive secretaries help them. So I guess that leaves only the option to advertise on things like "girl directory", or that horrible dump called craigslist. Maybe the new member, the delivery pussycat, has advice?

 

[TAG Manager]

That is an interesting conundrum. For Japanese speakers, there is a whole world of bulletin boards where girls can and do post "sugardaddy wanted" messages. With the desired price eliminating the riffraff. But the rich expats hardly speak Japanese, and won´t ask their executive secretaries help them. So I guess that leaves only the option to advertise on things like "girl directory", or that horrible dump called craigslist. Maybe the new member, the delivery pussycat, has advice?

Actually, I'll get some more clarification of the language issue and see what they expect.

If I understood correctly, they didn't want Japanese or at least the Japanese men wouldn't hang around for a long time.

 

[Zaphod222]

Actually, I'll get some more clarification of the language issue and see what they expect.
If I understood correctly, they didn't want Japanese or at least the Japanese men wouldn't hang around for a long time.

I get that. Japanese men are of course spoiled because there is such a wide selection available. I quite get that they would like to find wealthy expats. And I also believe that there are some expats who would be in the market. However, the language barrier is smack in the middle, so I don´t see a good way to bridge that.

 

[drewz]

Interesting! They might try Universe Club, which I imagine is always scouting new girls and has a good number of foreign male members.

Even better though, why not add a section for them on TAG? I for one would welcome the chance to vet girls via messages/chat prior to a meeting.

 

[Zaphod222]

Even better though, why not add a section for them on TAG? I for one would welcome the chance to vet girls via messages/chat prior to a meeting.

I think that should be feasible, as long as the admin watches the message and makes sure they are within the legal limits.

 

[Serenity Now]

I like the TAG idea too.

Clubs like UC might be an option but I think the expectation on both sides is not for long term relationships.

With 7 years to the Olympics this is some serious long term planning on their part...

 

[meiji]

I don't really see them being that successful outside going with the UC, even if they speak really good English. Maybe try some of the established sugar daddy sites like Ashley Madison or Seeking Arrangement, or Metropolis/Craigslist sites. I think any place they post, including here on TAG, is going to be problematic -- they need to worry a lot about screening and the like (which is handled by their agency now), and that's before you get to any language difficulties. Unless they are really attractive or open to kinky stuff (couple kissa, etc), they probably aren't going to get a high price if they are expecting a long term thing.

I would think that wealthy foreigners are going to go with UC (or other social clubs if they speak very good Japanese), or would just pick up girls in bars after work. It's not like there's a scarcity of attractive young women in Tokyo looking to hook up with successful men....for free. That's basically their competition.

 

[Serenity Now]

Good point.

Clubs like UC do provide some form screening. And there are ways with the date type ratings that the girl can indicate she wants to feel comfortable with the person she meets before going all the way, as it were.

 

[Wwanderer]

Both UC and SA are workable/good options. At least I have met women via both that would seem to fit in the market these ladies are apparently looking to find. I have no clear idea of the demand in these markets though, i.e., how many men they can expect to meet per month or year or whatever. I have heard complaints from a couple of SA SBs that it is pretty dead in Tokyo, but such things can change fast.

It is MUCH cheaper to meet potential SBs via SA than UC, but I can imagine that being seen as a plus by SBs who want to meet wealthy guys and avoid one-offs. Also, as noted by others above, UC provides reasonably good screening whereas there is often none for SA SDs.

-Ww

 

[Zaphod222]

I would think that wealthy foreigners are going to go with UC (or other social clubs if they speak very good Japanese), or would just pick up girls in bars after work. It's not like there's a scarcity of attractive young women in Tokyo looking to hook up with successful men....for free. That's basically their competition.

Hmm... not so sure about that at all. Absolutely there are "attractive young women in Tokyo looking to hook up with successful men", for sure. But to married successful men? Just for regular shagging? Discreetly? Without any marriage prospects? Come on, if you believe that you are in dreamland.

And that is what the sugardaddy scene is all about. That is why wealthy Japanese men pay them extremely good monthly allowances and even put them up in apartments and with cars. That is why Hollywood celebrities and politicians pay for sex.

Wasn´t it Mick Jagger who said: "We don´t pay them for sex, we pay them to leave". That is what this scene is about, and just like there is a market among wealthy Japanese men, I bet my behind that there is a market among expats for that. Communication is the problem.

 

[meiji]

Hmm... not so sure about that at all.

Well, we discussed the whole social club thing at length in the Universe Club thread. Obviously there's is a market for sugar babies, and that's why Universe Club and many, many other social clubs exist. I was one of the few people that didn't see an issue with UC when everyone else was saying it was too expensive for a date.

Absolutely there are "attractive young women in Tokyo looking to hook up with successful men", for sure. But to married successful men? Just for regular shagging? Discreetly? Without any marriage prospects? Come on, if you believe that you are in dreamland.

I didn't say that. In the scenario where everyone is open and honest about their current situation, and they agree to what sort of thing they are looking for, sure, very few women are going to go home with a guy who is already married and just looking for a long-term fuck buddy. But to be blunt, married guys looking for something on the side aren't exactly the most honest when it comes to their sex lives. While there's certainly lots of guys that don't want to do the bar scene thing for a variety of reasons, that doesn't change the fact that there are available women for free, and that brings down the price for sugar babies considerably.

It also doesn't change the fact that escort services are pretty inexpensive here for guys that speak good enough Japanese. You can even probably call up an escort agency and have naked fun time with a 21 year old Japanese former porn star for ¥35,000 for an hour. For longer-term expats, language really isn't a problem, and they aren't going to be tied to agencies that specifically target westerners.

My point is not that sugar daddy orgs can't succeed or guys should be going to get laid in bars. My point is that from a market perspective, if you are targeting wealthy expats that have been in Japan for a long time you better have something they want because there are many, many choices out there. I'm not sure what the situation with the DH girls are. They could be working for Western targeted agencies, like AM, or Western friendly ones or otherwise. They could have already tried UC and weren't getting enough dates, or weren't happy with the pricing -- since UC has been trying to make dates 'more affordable', that's going to come right out of the girl's bottom line. I don't know if they want to meet long term expats because they like Westerners, or because they think they can charge Westerners a higher rate.

My guess is it's likely one of the above. They've been used to charging an inflated hourly rate for a delivery health service catering to non-Japanese speaking Westerners, and are finding that people that are here longer term aren't looking to pay what they expect. I might be wrong. But if that's the case, the problem with their thinking is that Western-targeted agencies like AM can charge an inflated price because of the language barrier. Once that's gone, and guys that are here long-term almost always speak fairly decent Japanese, women can't continue to expect those rates.

 

[Zaphod222]

I didn't say that. In the scenario where everyone is open and honest about their current situation, and they agree to what sort of thing they are looking for, sure, very few women are going to go home with a guy who is already married and just looking for a long-term fuck buddy. But to be blunt, married guys looking for something on the side aren't exactly the most honest when it comes to their sex lives.

Yes. But not everybody wants the hassle and risk of telling stories and playing games, which can always blow up in their face. And believe it or not. some guys (me included) simply think it stinks to mispresent myself as boyfriend material when I am not.

It also doesn't change the fact that escort services are pretty inexpensive here for guys that speak good enough Japanese. You can even probably call up an escort agency and have naked fun time with a 21 year old Japanese former porn star for ¥35,000 for an hour. For longer-term expats, language really isn't a problem, and they aren't going to be tied to agencies that specifically target westerners.

Yes. Some like that. But again, some don´t enjoy going through middlemen in order to buy sex by the hour, from providers who rush from one client to the next. Some people (again, me included) enjoy having a paid girlfriend who I get to know ever better, without a middleman and a ticking clock, and certainyl without a menu set by the agency and her cellphone waiting to buzz. It does not bother you, but it bothers others.

In my own case, I totally happy with my 20 year old who is cute as button and a university student, and who is not rushing from client to client. And I don´t need to lie to her, and play complicated games. It is simply great.
But to each his own. Just don´t dismiss the whole scene, it does exist, and it has a reason to exist.

But if that's the case, the problem with their thinking is that Western-targeted agencies like AM can charge an inflated price because of the language barrier. Once that's gone, and guys that are here long-term almost always speak fairly decent Japanese, women can't continue to expect those rates.

You think the Japanese scene is necessarily cheap because there are all these low-level deals out there? Then you are wrong.
I would point out that I have seen Japanese TV shows with girls who had sugar daddies, and some of the amounts paid were stunning. One was getting 500,000/month from here sugardaddy, and you can be sure the guy could buy the whole AM farm if he wanted. That they are all extremely good looking is a given, and also that they would not consider to rush into hotel rooms with unknown strangers.

Just for reference, on the Bakusai site (which I mentioned) currently there is an 19 year old student who wants a long-term daddy to meet 3-4 times a month for a monthly stipend of 200,000 yen. Then there are 2 18-years old is asking 100,000 per meeting (but both at the same time). And this is the completely Japanese scene. Yes, there are cheaper deals out there. There also also a Big Mac out there which is cheaper than real food. Don´t compare apples and oranges.

 

[Zaphod222]

To cut through the fog: Basically, the difference is: Do you prefer a paid girlfriend who you know and enjoy, or do you prefer the thrill and risk of meeting new strangers all the time?

There is a market for both.

 

[Wwanderer]

You can use the UC member's website to request "settings" (first dates), and once one is set and the associated fee paid, it is assigned a number which appears to simply be the last two digits of the year (i.e., 13 for this year) followed by a sequential number that increases through the year. These numbers suggest that there are VERY roughly an average of two settings or so per day. That is equivalent to an average of only about one setting per year for the women with profiles on UC (again a VERY rough and average number). Not a lot at all from the ladies' perspective. Now, to be sure, you can also arrange the settings by communicating directly with the UC staff rather than through the website, and I do not know if those settings are assigned numbers on the same system/sequence or not. There could easily be more of those. And, obviously some women will be more popular than others, but that doesn't change the average. Anyway, it appears to me that a typical SB's profile on UC does not draw enough settings for the women to meet anything like a steady and reliable stream of potential SDs. Obviously the above is at least half guess work, but fwiiw, that's my take on it.

-Ww