Is Pua A Natural Human Trait Or Something Learned?

[BankaSakka]

Would humans do this naturally or not?

 

[Sinapse]

Talk to attractive women when they see them? Yeah, NOT doing that is pretty unnatural IMO

 

[BankaSakka]

Sovthen one could say that PUA is a necessary part of life and that it is not all that improper.

 

[Sinapse]

PUA is a necessary part of life and that it is not all that improper.

I think that pursuing your desires is a necessary part of life. If the only women you desire already surround you, then I'd say cold approach is unnecessary. However, if you regularly see women walking around who inspire you, and are unable to approach them (which often manifests themselves in the excuses of "I don't want to bother her," "she probably won't like me," "I'm in a hurry to ____" and/or "I'm too ____ for her"), then I'd say some action is necessary to cleanse yourself of these limiting beliefs which have been imbued in you by society. If you want a better, more abundant romantic life, I think cold approach and the larger arena of PUA (which also encompasses general social skills and "social game") is a great way to achieve that.

As for "proper" - that is a loaded word. 100 years ago women staying at home and not being able to vote was "proper". 300 years ago having slaves was "proper". In the current day and age I think that most of society thinks both pickup and prostitution improper. However, that says nothing as to whether it is valuable, important, beautiful, or powerful. I think most of the reason that pickup (and prostitution) is "improper" is that it threatens the current romantic paradigm, which is essentially the tyranny of monogamy. Monogamy ensures (or at least highly increases the chances) that all available men can find a partner, thereby keeping them slaves to the productive industrial state and pacified without thought for revolution. Any institution or method which upsets this paradigm - in this case it means providing men with more sexual partners than is "proper" - is going to be considered "improper" by the dominant culture. It's your call whether you believe the narrative given to you from birth by society or decide it doesn't suit you.

In other words, what is "proper" is entirely socially constructed, and what is "natural" is biological. It certainly is natural for men to desire multiple sex partners and pursue them. To that goal, there isn't really any better method than pickup

 

[John Chavers]

Would humans do this naturally or not?

Talk to attractive women when they see them? Yeah, NOT doing that is pretty unnatural IMO

 

[Goshogawara]

In other words, what is "proper" is entirely socially constructed, and what is "natural" is biological. It certainly is natural for men to desire multiple sex partners and pursue them. To that goal, there isn't really any better method than pickup

I find this way of life highly disturbing and anachronistic. Just because something is "natural" it is not desirable or good. Or do you think disabled persons should be disintegrated because helping them is against natural selection and empathy for the weak just something the current atmosphere of society dictates us?

If you want to stick your penis into every hole you find appealing, fine. Promiscuity is not condemnable. But please, don't think of yourself as the Liberator of us poor suppressed men. The way you're trying to construct a philosophy out of this is ridiculous.

 

[Sinapse]

Just because something is "natural" it is not desirable or good.

Mhm I agree. But OP asked if it was natural or not.

Or do you think disabled persons should be disintegrated because helping them is against natural selection and empathy for the weak just something the current atmosphere of society dictates us?

......what? Where did that come from?

If you want to stick your penis into every hole you find appealing, fine.

....huh? I just like sex.. like many people on this board.

But please, don't think of yourself as the Liberator of us poor suppressed men.

I never said that. But thanks for the title!!

 

[BankaSakka]

That's thing isn't, is it natural to want to bang every woman that you are attracted to? At what point is this merely addiction or psychosis? Womanizing can be many things right. But in the land of the rising son where once men bedded any woman they wanted as long as the hubby or father was gone, and in today's era where women and men have shunned sex in favor of independence, womanizing is a very restricted practice. More so focused on escorts and hostess type deals. So on a scale where does PUA fit when thinking about dating and womanizing?

 

[User#8628]

I think PU is natural, PUA not so.
I think it's normal to try to pick up someone if you're attracted to them, if you have enough confidence of yourself at least.

The whole "art" which guys teaching each other and stuff seems less natural but i understand some guys may need a helping hand or push in the back.

 

[BankaSakka]

I keep reading PUA sites and the PUAs even say it's unnatural. Right PUA should not be misunderstood with asking a girl out. PUA seems to be strictly related to sex. But is it natural to want to screw every woman a man is attracted to without any real dating or interest other than sex.

 

[Sinapse]

I think PU is natural, PUA not so.
I think it's normal to try to pick up someone if you're attracted to them, if you have enough confidence of yourself at least.

The whole "art" which guys teaching each other and stuff seems less natural but i understand some guys may need a helping hand or push in the back.

Yeah, I think pain drives most guys to pickup. They go talk to that cute girl they see around, and when their nervous approach doesn't go well, they wonder why. If it happens consistently, they start to think maybe they aren't the best at talking to women. Then, they seek out how to change it. To me, that's noble. Nobody should feel like they are unlovable and destined to a life alone. Pickup offers a path out of that.

PUA seems to be strictly related to sex. But is it natural to want to screw every woman a man is attracted to without any real dating or interest other than sex.

Pickup is certainly NOT strictly related to sex. Many guys want to find a wife or just a normal girlfriend. When they do, they stop. Pickup is about improving your relationships with women - whatever the goal is! Many guys' goals focus on getting laid to begin with because they can't get sex from women (or not enough), and I don't think there's a problem with that goal.

As for sex addiciton.. that is a concern. I would argue that as long as you're not hurting anybody there's nothing wrong with having lots of sex. It may not be the most productive thing to do compared to reading books or learning new skills, but it certainly isn't detrimental to your health like a heroin or tobacco addiction.

 

[User#8628]

It may not be the most productive thing to do compared to reading books or learning new skills, but it certainly isn't detrimental to your health like a heroin or tobacco addiction.

Compared to the smut i read, sex is more productive.

 

[Wwanderer]

I think PU is natural, PUA not so.

Bravo! That pretty much nails it imo.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Compared to the smut i read, sex is more productive.

Hmmm...not all you read is smut. As you know, I have read (on your recommendation) your favorite novel...a deep, amazing, masterful work imo.

-Ww

 

[PunishaSnake]

Still new here... putting my 2 cents in everything, lol.... But I think PUA is a form of evolution, because I can't count how many times a girl has posted on her dating profile: If you send me a reply saying just "hi", "hey" I won't respond. don't call me "ma" "baby" or anything like that, use my name... etc. It's like when a father teaches his son the general dealings in life... he needs to teach him how to talk to girls too. Unfortunately ladies, we can't just come up to you and say... "Hi, I don't really feel like trying to spend a long time getting to know you right now, I think you are extremely gorgeous, but my mini me downstairs wants to get to know you, and i'm trying to make that happen... oh by the way, we have talked casually and I believe we share the same interests, but for now can we just act like we've already been dating for a long time?" There was this girl in particular who I really really liked... it took me 9 months to finally become her boyfriend... (and then I fucked up because I didn't have a condom on the night of consummation, she was fine without it... I wasn't, lol) I'd have to be dense if I didn't think that she had other guys on the side that whole time... and likewise, I was checking for other potential girls on the side as well... I believe when you are a young adult, you have to be a PUA to stand a chance out here.

 

[static]

PUA is just a skill set. It's the ability of knowing how to behave in front of the opposite sex to yield the best connection. You could say that the guy who doesn't walk up to ever girl say "Hi wanna fuck?" is practicing a basic tenant of PUA, or more accurately, social skills. You could make the argument that a guy who practices monogamy is unnatural, seeing as how human men are biologically programmed to have sex with several women for the purpose of creating more offspring. Even further, the idea that we learn through Disney movies and other new "social standards" are unrealistic and unnatural, and PUA is course correction for that. If guys were able to get the kind of girl(s) they wanted without any practice or training, we wouldn't need these PUA boot camps. =P

It always feels like people are projecting a weird image to what PUA's actually are compared to what it actually is. =P

 

[Exnocomment]

PUA is just a skill set. It's the ability of knowing how to behave in front of the opposite sex to yield the best connection. You could say that the guy who doesn't walk up to ever girl say "Hi wanna fuck?" is practicing a basic tenant of PUA, or more accurately, social skills. You could make the argument that a guy who practices monogamy is unnatural, seeing as how human men are biologically programmed to have sex with several women for the purpose of creating more offspring. Even further, the idea that we learn through Disney movies and other new "social standards" are unrealistic and unnatural, and PUA is course correction for that. If guys were able to get the kind of girl(s) they wanted without any practice or training, we wouldn't need these PUA boot camps. =P

It always feels like people are projecting a weird image to what PUA's actually are compared to what it actually is. =P

Firstly, knowing when to walk up and what to say is not "PUA" it is learning social mores, cultural norms and having self assurance and self confidence. While I personally am actually quite intrigued (but slightly skeptical about the whole "PUA" thing, not about whether it works or not but whether it is ultimately non-coercive), I would say please don't assign my most basic of social tenets and manners to "PUA" - it feels like you're taking away my agency..

And with the utmost respect and candor.. It is the PUA culture itself that has projected a weird image on itself over many many many years. Albeit perhaps only fringe elements?
The subculture at least broadly known to the public is quite toxic and has had run-ins with issues around consent and manipulation:
http://time.com/3578387/julien-blanc-feminism-real-social-dynamics/ - People hate Julian Blanc
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...Rape-Unconscious-Woman-Gaslamp-335042701.html - Self-proclaimed PUAs are charged with rape

And the whole concept of "negging" which I've brought up before is also generally a reason why people have a hard time accepting "PUA" as non-offensive and non-sexist:

 

[static]

Firstly, knowing when to walk up and what to say is not "PUA" it is learning social mores, cultural norms and having self assurance and self confidence. While I personally am actually quite intrigued (but slightly skeptical about the whole "PUA" thing, not about whether it works or not but whether it is ultimately non-coercive), I would say please don't assign my most basic of social tenets and manners to "PUA" - it feels like you're taking away my agency..

And with the utmost respect and candor.. It is the PUA culture itself that has projected a weird image on itself over many many many years. Albeit perhaps only fringe elements?
The subculture at least broadly known to the public is quite toxic and has had run-ins with issues around consent and manipulation:
http://time.com/3578387/julien-blanc-feminism-real-social-dynamics/ - People hate Julian Blanc
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...Rape-Unconscious-Woman-Gaslamp-335042701.html - Self-proclaimed PUAs are charged with rape

And the whole concept of "negging" which I've brought up before is also generally a reason why people have a hard time accepting "PUA" as non-offensive and non-sexist:

This is what I mean by misimaging. I have never coerced a woman into doing something she didn't want to do. I never manipulated a girl. I don't know any guys who employ any kinds of manipulation in their game. I mean if you consider having a strong leadership frame to be manipulative, then I guess, but beyond that *shrug*. I wrote a beginner's guide to game, feel free to read it and let me know if you think anything in there is manipulative. Feel free to read a lot of Sinapse's stuff from his website and tell me what you think is manipulative. More importantly, if you find anything, please explain how it's manipulative since I personally don't see it.

See, those two examples actually point out something important about the media and perceived perspective:
Julien Blanc was labeled enemy of women because of selectively taken posts from his twitter, and 5 second clips from a 1 hour talk. Having watched him in action while he was here during that trip, talking with him and listening to his lecture with another coach, he's a pretty nice guy. While the things he did were flashy, edgy, etc, he never did anything that made the girl uncomfortable. The two of them were operating on the same wave length and were enjoying the moment, where as an onlooker might have a difference of opinion. In any social interaction, if the two involved are consenting, approving adults, then I don't really give a shit what onlookers think. There may have been a couple cultural blunders, but I don't see that any different than any other tourist who's never been to Japan before.
It became more obvious when Julien went on CNN after this whole incident broke and tried to explain himself, but the interviewer kept cutting him off before he actually could explain the situation. All he managed to get out was "The whole situation was completely misinterpreted-.." "What do you mean, aren't you going to apologize for those grossly inappropriate things you did?!"
Media wants to paint PUA as X, when really, they're just normal guys.
The other two guys, admittedly, I hadn't heard about them, I'd say they were rapists who were also PUA, rather than PUA and rape having anything to do with each other. Most of the tenants of PUA are more in the line with getting consent. Firm hand, soft grip; mentality. Assertiveness, not rape. I doubt you'd find many PUA's (read: people) who actually condone rape.

What you've outlined in your first sentence is exactly what PUA is about, learning and applying social norms and having self confidence. The difference is, a PUA takes it to extreme levels. Just because you know how to walk around a party and start conversations, being a "social butterfly" doesn't necessarily mean that you're a master of being social, it means you have proficiency. Being confident in yourself doesn't mean you don't shrivel up in the presence of someone with a stronger "presence" than you. There are many gradient levels of confidence and social proficiency. PUA, as most everywhere that I've ever learned from, is about pushing those skills into higher levels. Approaching massive amounts of women exposes you to a variety of experiences, and with experience, you learn the skills necessary to overcome similar challenges in the future. Being in more relationships gives you the skills necessary to deal with a wider variety of girls in your life.

In terms of social skills, you can consider your average, healthy person as a regular level, where as a PUA may be on par with a body builder. Some of those body builders may not just be models, they're UFC fighters who fight legit and honorably, or they're working for Mr. Universe modeling contests, or going for the Olympics. Others, you get those guys doing underground fight-to-the-death matches in the favellas of Mexico.

 

[Exnocomment]

This is what I mean by misimaging. I have never coerced a woman into doing something she didn't want to do. I never manipulated a girl. I don't know any guys who employ any kinds of manipulation in their game. I mean if you consider having a strong leadership frame to be manipulative, then I guess, but beyond that *shrug*. I wrote a beginner's guide to game, feel free to read it and let me know if you think anything in there is manipulative. Feel free to read a lot of Sinapse's stuff from his website and tell me what you think is manipulative. More importantly, if you find anything, please explain how it's manipulative since I personally don't see it.

See, those two examples actually point out something important about the media and perceived perspective:
Julien Blanc was labeled enemy of women because of selectively taken posts from his twitter, and 5 second clips from a 1 hour talk. Having watched him in action while he was here during that trip, talking with him and listening to his lecture with another coach, he's a pretty nice guy. While the things he did were flashy, edgy, etc, he never did anything that made the girl uncomfortable. The two of them were operating on the same wave length and were enjoying the moment, where as an onlooker might have a difference of opinion. In any social interaction, if the two involved are consenting, approving adults, then I don't really give a shit what onlookers think. There may have been a couple cultural blunders, but I don't see that any different than any other tourist who's never been to Japan before.
It became more obvious when Julien went on CNN after this whole incident broke and tried to explain himself, but the interviewer kept cutting him off before he actually could explain the situation. All he managed to get out was "The whole situation was completely misinterpreted-.." "What do you mean, aren't you going to apologize for those grossly inappropriate things you did?!"
Media wants to paint PUA as X, when really, they're just normal guys.
The other two guys, admittedly, I hadn't heard about them, I'd say they were rapists who were also PUA, rather than PUA and rape having anything to do with each other. Most of the tenants of PUA are more in the line with getting consent. Firm hand, soft grip; mentality. Assertiveness, not rape. I doubt you'd find many PUA's (read: people) who actually condone rape.

What you've outlined in your first sentence is exactly what PUA is about, learning and applying social norms and having self confidence. The difference is, a PUA takes it to extreme levels. Just because you know how to walk around a party and start conversations, being a "social butterfly" doesn't necessarily mean that you're a master of being social, it means you have proficiency. Being confident in yourself doesn't mean you don't shrivel up in the presence of someone with a stronger "presence" than you. There are many gradient levels of confidence and social proficiency. PUA, as most everywhere that I've ever learned from, is about pushing those skills into higher levels. Approaching massive amounts of women exposes you to a variety of experiences, and with experience, you learn the skills necessary to overcome similar challenges in the future. Being in more relationships gives you the skills necessary to deal with a wider variety of girls in your life.

In terms of social skills, you can consider your average, healthy person as a regular level, where as a PUA may be on par with a body builder. Some of those body builders may not just be models, they're UFC fighters who fight legit and honorably, or they're working for Mr. Universe modeling contests, or going for the Olympics. Others, you get those guys doing underground fight-to-the-death matches in the favellas of Mexico.

I will take a look at your guides when I have some free time but I have to make a logical statement to you that I hope you understand.

1) I was never making the point ALL "PUA" are bad people.. But, it's very fabric has qualities of which, broader society does not approve, again, see the "negging", which no one ever addresses. The Game is fascinating by the way, the very perspective, is antithesis to getting to know someone on a deep emotional level. I don't doubt it can all be very effective.

2) My point here is also this, let's say for example I sometimes feel men have a tough rap, at least those that work hard and feel the need to excel and be providers, etc. Are those points in isolation frowned on by society? Nope, but am I drawing close to a sphere with the "Men's Rights" and "Alt Right" movements that are sexist and racist? Yep. Would people associate me with them if I called it "Men's Suffrage" ? Yep.

You as a one man band are not going to rehabilitate an image where some dudes (google it) espouse walking up and just kissing or grabbing women and labelling themselves PUA. Sinapse, who seems nice as well, also isn't going to "save the brand"

 

[BankaSakka]

I can agree that most men must have to practice some form of pick up otherwise they'd never get into a relatiinship. My first wife (rest soul) I never picked her up. We just evolved from seeing each other in a cafe to being a couple (unofficially) until she started throwing up and that was that. But I never asked her out and she never asked me out we just were like together! I guess that happens too. Now when I got remarried I did ask her out many times and many times she said no! After gosh maybe like 30 times, she went on a date with me. I took her to a nice restaurant and the whole time she was flirting with this waiter. Should have used my sixth sense there for things to come. I can remember how all the guys who got rejected would ask me, "why you"? They were all jealous. And simply it is because I never stopped asking and I found new ways of asking her out. But once I got her to go out with me I stopped asking all other females I was chasing which was a lot.

 

[static]

see the "negging", which no one ever addresses.

Negging has it's uses in helping men overcome their issues. Many guys who are still awkward with women tend to be too positive with women, too complimentary, etc which tends to push women away. Negging is basically men learning how to calibrate themselves to being both positive and negative with women. Body builder example, guy spends too much time doing bench press but hasn't been focusing on legs, so instead of doing too many bench presses, do less of those and do more squats or leg presses. Once a guy's legs get up to spec, he can do less squats and go back to a balance between benching and squats.

The Game is fascinating by the way, the very perspective, is antithesis to getting to know someone on a deep emotional level. I don't doubt it can all be very effective.

See, this is the assumption again, that PUA's conversations and such aren't deep. The tenants specifically work TOWARDS building deep emotional connections with women. This is why women like PUA's. Yes, there are girls out there who want a quick russ and tuss for fun, but I'd say that's nowhere near a majority. Most girls would like something resembling romance, whirlwind romance even with their emotions going nuts, heart fluttering, etc. You don't get that unless you can form a deep emotional connection with the girl. That's the annoying part, when people criticize PUA's, the women who voluntarily go with the PUA are never blamed. It's always perceived as the big, evil, manipulative PUA tricked the girl into going home and raping the girl.

Nope, but am I drawing close to a sphere with the "Men's Rights" and "Alt Right" movements that are sexist and racist?

It's funny though, because most MRA's (very different from the alt-right), and red pill guys are 100% right about a lot of the things they complain about, and it's mostly backed with quite a bit of research and fact. The objection I have to most of those guys is that they bitch and whine about the injustices they face rather than rise to the challenge. Most red pill guys, I consider failures along the PUA path.

Rather than reading their stuff, you might check into the material from guys who are actually very successful with women, David DeAngelo, Van Perron; guys like that.

Hell, even check out this video from Julien, the enemy of women. It's one of the best start to finish mechanical explanations of game:

 

[Exnocomment]

Negging has it's uses in helping men overcome their issues. Many guys who are still awkward with women tend to be too positive with women, too complimentary, etc which tends to push women away. Negging is basically men learning how to calibrate themselves to being both positive and negative with women. Body builder example, guy spends too much time doing bench press but hasn't been focusing on legs, so instead of doing too many bench presses, do less of those and do more squats or leg presses. Once a guy's legs get up to spec, he can do less squats and go back to a balance between benching and squats.


See, this is the assumption again, that PUA's conversations and such aren't deep. The tenants specifically work TOWARDS building deep emotional connections with women. This is why women like PUA's. Yes, there are girls out there who want a quick russ and tuss for fun, but I'd say that's nowhere near a majority. Most girls would like something resembling romance, whirlwind romance even with their emotions going nuts, heart fluttering, etc. You don't get that unless you can form a deep emotional connection with the girl. That's the annoying part, when people criticize PUA's, the women who voluntarily go with the PUA are never blamed. It's always perceived as the big, evil, manipulative PUA tricked the girl into going home and raping the girl.


It's funny though, because most MRA's (very different from the alt-right), and red pill guys are 100% right about a lot of the things they complain about, and it's mostly backed with quite a bit of research and fact. The objection I have to most of those guys is that they bitch and whine about the injustices they face rather than rise to the challenge. Most red pill guys, I consider failures along the PUA path.

Rather than reading their stuff, you might check into the material from guys who are actually very successful with women, David DeAngelo, Van Perron; guys like that.

Hell, even check out this video from Julien, the enemy of women. It's one of the best start to finish mechanical explanations of game:

This has gotten a bit off topic so happy to take it off-thread but I want to follow up with this:

I want you to ask yourself is "are you making a statement that your interpretation of PUA, is THE standard definition?"

I don't doubt for those inept socially or even those that want to "up their game" learning to be confident and learning social cues (the tucked hair, shoulder touch, squared shoulders, mimicking) to the extent they don't unconsciously come ingrained in you is helpful.. But just cause a popular subculture has claimed that as their domain in current times doesn't mean that it has to.. And we'd both be fooling ourselves if we say that his is ALL that encompasses PUA.

I'm also curious, I presume you've read "The Game" - what do you think of Neil Strauss? And this quote off Wikipedia:

Neil Strauss was quoted in a review in The Guardian as saying, "A side effect of sarging (socializing with the intent of finding and seducing a woman) is that it can lower one's opinion of the opposite sex", though the reviewer noted, "And yet, as he has described it, the inverse is true: a low opinion of the opposite sex is a prerequisite for sarging."

You sound reasonable and you personally may feel unfairly maligned, but, this is not about "you" - for example, negging CAN, be used as a calibration tool, but let's agree, that's not its original primary purpose. Your comment in that respect are defending a practice by saying a butter knife can be used as a spoon when eating peas. Sure, but it's still an butter knife.

 

[Sinapse]

Even IF negging and PUA itself is offensive, I'm not sure why something "being offensive" or not that all of a sudden is a reason to discredit it as true or effective. Someone could come along and say "Black people are genetically better than other races at sports" and I'm pretty sure that would prickle some hyper-liberal "we are all equal and the same" type people and many would start ruffling feathers and talking about how offensive it is to say that, but so what? What is more valuable: truth, or protecting people's feelings?

On the flip side, being nice and complimenting someone just because you want to get in their pants (the standard behavior of most men) is hardly better than being slightly cutting and brutally honest. In fact, I would value honesty over saccharine displays of groveling, which many men seem to think is what it means to give women what they want and be a gentleman.

Negging comes from the realization that no, women do not like groveling, emasculated men. Yes, they do like men who don't listen to their bullshit (if it is indeed bullshit). Yes, they reward men for acting in this way with sex.

Whether or not you think it's manipulative, offensive, or whatever is up to you but you can't really deny that it works and women actively CHOOSE to go for men who exhibit this type of behavior.

This video is the PERFECT example of these kinds of objections that guys always bring up about pickup ("it's offensive" "you're an asshole"). Have a look (it's short):

 

[Exnocomment]

So I just said, quite clearly, and several times in fact, that I did not doubt PUA was effective, so if the above was addressed towards me then it was off point..

And actually, Static's comments have been thus far, that he does in fact care about how PUA is perceived and whether it is deemed as offensive or perhaps, misunderstood.

The statements above from your response are more:

1) Who cares what people think, if it works?
2) People are too sensitive these days
3) Cloying compliments and deception are just as bad as negative

I will say, I agree, all true. I will also admit I'm happy to be an asshole during business negotiations to my own benefit. I acknowledge that I'm being an asshole though.. I also understand that just because I "act" a certain way doesn't make that who am I and conversely does not define who my "opponent" is on a blanket basis either. I must also be OK that it will make observers perceive me in a certain way. In this sense I don't think we really disagree at all?

 

[static]

I care about honesty and truth, I don't care about what people's opinions of me are as long as they're being intellectually honest. When we started this, you mentioned a number of assumptions about why PUA isn't natural (among others in this thread), thus why what we're discussing isn't really irrelevant, and also why I pointed out that you and others have a very different perspective on what we do compared to what we have of what we do. In a lot of ways, it reminds me of when I worked tech support, and someone ignorant about IT matters was telling me I was wrong in my diagnosis (Hint: I was right. Proof was, I fixed their problem and it was exactly what I said it was).

I'll say this: The definitions you and I are operating on are not necessarily THE proper definition, but they're definitions that have enabled me to lead a successful campaign in what would be considered PUA. If one definition doesn't yield any result, yet another leads to a full life, which definition do you think has more value? This is where a lot of the red pill guys went wrong, thus why I consider them to be failures, even if they do get varying degrees of success.

You link to a guardian article, which is notorious for having a leftist slant, and is often times factually inaccurate. That's the type of disinformation I hate and fight tooth and nail against.

1) I care because there are certain people who will go out of their way to destroy my life because my world views don't align with theirs, and that world view is perpetuated by inaccurate portrayal. The prevailing culture right now is that there's a certain subset of people who will MAKE you care, and further spread factual inaccuracies to make everyone think like them.
2) See point 1
3) Again, when I compliment a girl, it's genuine. If i "neg" a girl, it's genuine. Honesty is what it's all about.

Being an asshole for asshole's sake is meaningless. Negging a girl for negging's sake is meaningless. It's all about congruence, which Julien actually outlined pretty well in the video I posted above.