Karaoke Date With Working Girl

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  1. Sushilover

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    I've arranged a karaoke date with a working girl, and we haven't discussed her compensation. We've hit it off really well, but obviously this is not a typical date, and her expectations will be different from a normal girl's. If anyone has experience with this, could you tell me how you would handle it? Would you just offer to buy her a nice dinner? Or hint at an "okozukai"?
     
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    You haven't told us how you met her and/or how you "arranged" this karaoke date, but unless you did so in some manner that involved her work/profession, my *strong* advice is to treat the date and her *exactly* the same way you would if she were a teacher, a nurse, an attorney, a pilot or whatever. In other words, treat her like a "normal girl" because that is precisely what she may very well be. It is an insulting stereotype to put women who sell their sexual appeal and skills in a separate category from all other women. A "working girl" can perfectly well have a conventional romantic/social life quite apart from her work, and many/most of them do. Of course, if you contacted her through her escorting website and hired her at her going rates for a "social date", then it is a different story. Then you are her customer, just like all the others.

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    Thanks Wwanderer. I sessioned with her once as a customer, and like I said we really hit it off. She gave me her contact info after the session, and we have planned a date without going through her agency. She didn't mention money, so I am wondering how to handle this. It is possible she simply wants to enjoy my company, and that is enough for her, but more likely she is looking for extra income. I don't want to offend her. Since she did not mention money, I think I will follow your advice, treat her like a lady, and play things by ear.
     
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    It is not uncommon for agency escorts to "cut out the middle man" by giving customers their contact info; it is referred to in the US as "stealing" the customer, by both agencies and escorts. So that could be the deal; if so, she definitely expects to be paid her usual fee. But it could also be what you are thinking/hoping. If it were me, I'd just ask her directly and very politely/respectively, but that is my style (being direct and open I mean). I'd definitely go prepared (i.e., with the required cash and a willingness to spend it) in any case.

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    I'm sure I'd want to know what is clearly her state of mind before the date, using the fact it's a karaoke.

    I hardly see any satisfaction coming if you are not on the same page beforehand.
    And what if you're expected to pay and the karaoke sucks ? (no pun intended)

    Or maybe there's a way to enter a sugar baby-daddy relationship.
     
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    What DJV said!

    Talk to her, dude. If she is a pro escort, she is not going to be offended by a direct conversation/approach, as long as it is polite and respectful. Probably.

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    Thanks guys. She canceled, apologized, and asked to reschedule for next week. I really like this girl, so I'll wait a couple days and if I don't hear from her, I'll make her an offer.
     
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    So what happened? I'm sitting on pins and needles :)
     
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    Good point! OP hasn't been seen here since May 3rd! :eek:
     
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    Hamerare Offa da street

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    The OP was either murdered, or the d8 never panned out as planned. 20 bux and the spare nut sayz she never showed up

    Trying to d8 a service provider is as reliable as asking a bear to guard ur picnic basket
     
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    This was a learning experience for me.

    Date #1
    I emailed her, and asked her if 5000 yen was ok for a date. We went to Karaoke, and I took her a box of Godiva chocolates with the money inside an envelope in the bag. She seemed genuinely surprised and happy to get the chocolates, and did not open the envelope. We had fun singing for a couple hours, and then it turned into a therapy session. She told me about her life - an abusive father and a string of abusive boyfriends. She had quit her job, and had recently moved out. We went to dinner, and I was impressed that she tried to keep the tab low. Nothing happened during the date; I don't think we even held hands. I walked her to the bus stop, then took the train home, amused that I had had sex with this girl the first time we met, and that the second date would be so uneventful. Still, I had spent the whole day with an attractive girl. She emailed me, thanked me, and told me that she was surprised to find the money inside. She had just expected me to pay for karaoke and dinner. I wondered if I would hear from her again, and how far I wanted to get involved.

    Date #2
    Several days later, she emailed me again. She wanted me to spend the night at her place. No mention of money. I took her flowers, but I wasn't quite sure what to expect. I wasn't really interested in being the friend / free meal guy. She was wearing a loose shirt, low neckline, and no bra, but wasn't coming on to me. Red Flag #1 - which I ignored foolishly- she told me she found some guy through a dating site to pay for her apartment and all her living expenses, but was basically stringing him along and giving him nothing in return. She had no savings and the guy was going to take her apartment away. She was desperate for money. I got the hint - I offered her 20k for the night. Long story short - she took the money and pulled the dead fish routine. I was so disgusted I wanted to leave that night, but her place was in the middle of nowhere, so I had to wait till morning.
     
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    Wow. Sorry to hear how it turned out in the end. :(

    Life lesson, I suppose. So, once she knew she was going to be out on the street, she gave you call... at least that's the way I read it.

    Thank you for coming back to follow-up, many of appreciate that level of effort! (y)

    Hope things are going better for you now.
     
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    It's very easy to get a date for karaoke or dinner at a deai cafe, if you can speak some Japanese and become a member.

    http://www.deai-cafe.net/tokyo/
     
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    I know this may be very controversial, but many Japanese women are often terribly bad at sex and doing the dead fish routine is common. Many Japanese guys (clearly not all) are intimated by female sexuality and seem to like this dead fish behavior.

    Many foolish Japanese women seem to think ALL guys want sex in this style, and they get so used to this habit, that's it's hard for them to break it. Now with some Japanese women, it's an act, and they will do a different style if you tell them to. But the guy has to be keen on telling them to do differently.

    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all Japanese women play dead fish, because some of the BEST and wildest sex that I had was with Japanese women. And on the swinger side, I've seen Japanese women like literally going into a sexual trance, do 10 guys in a row, and every hole (including anal).

    While I had the best sex with Japanese women, also the WORSE sex has been with them too. Bad at BJs, bad at hand jobs, clumsy, awkward, clueless about sex, not flexible and bad at opening her legs, to stiff, acting childish/immature, stubborn, etc...

    But what I'm saying is, there is this amazing dichotomy between the 2 different styles among Japanese women that I have NEVER seen among any other nationality of women or with Western women.

    Sex with Japanese women can be fantastic, as many are more willing to do whatever their guy asks. A complete and TOTAL commitment to sex that many Western women don't have. These Japanese women that I encountered also tended to be more athletic and physical types, versus a more soft and fragile acting type.

    On one hand, playing dead fish, then on the other side there is insatiable anything goes sex. There is average sex, but I mean there is a very wide range, with way too many Japanese women at the BOTTOM of the spectrum.

    AND I have almost NEVER seen good wild sex from P4P women in Japan. I can count awesome P4P women on 1 hand. At best, P4P women being average and then many P4P being amazingly horrible to the extent it feels completely not worth it or being cheated. If you are guy that is a quick in and done (wham bam thank you ma'am), maybe dead fish is cool. It just seemed so weird to me that PRO women that do sex for a living, can have so many that are horrible and with no skills. Like damn, at least WATCH a Western porn and get a CLUE about how to do it. A woman should have at least some skills in what she is doing for a living or often.
     
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    Something like that. I just wasn't paying attention to the signals and got burned. I'm all good! The next day, I found a nice provider who I enjoyed thoroughly.
     
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    Solong, thanks for the advice on the date cafes. I might give Kirari another shot.

    I think there is sexual inexperience / inhibition and then there is disrespect. This was clearly the latter. This girl performed a completely different way when I first met her through her agency, and when I spent the night, she showed all the charm of a Dogenzaka massage girl once she had her money.
     
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    Hamerare Offa da street

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    At least u got a date :)

    U will have realized this urself, but u were far too nice to the slut, what with the chocol8s and flowers plus dosh.

    The problem with the kind of woman you encountered - and I have met a few of them in my time - is that the only way they know how 2 respond to men is as a victim. No matter how much love and affection you try to give them, you will end up getting treated like shit. Think of a stray cat. You cant touch them or domestic8 them and if you get them inside ur house, they will scratch ur face till u let them out. Not that I have ever let a stray cat in2 my house, but I think the comparison is a good 1.

    Sad but true. All u can do is let them run. As u said, a learning experience (y)
     
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    what songs did you plan on singing? i always sing biggie and tupac. god, i am wondering if i should show you that video of me drunk singing goin back to cali with my friends.
     
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