Newbie Soapland Questions

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  1. KeithOP

    KeithOP TAG Member

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    I'm sure this is all going to sound really stupid, but I've never done any p4p before, so bear with me.

    I live way out in the sticks doing the standard English teaching gig. Pays the bills. I'm a few hours away from Tokyo, and I want to bang a cute young Japanese girl, so after doing a little research it looks like a Yoshiwara Soapland is what I'm looking for. I'm a white guy but I've studied Japanese for many years so communication in Japanese isn't an issue. Do I have a decent shot getting in any establishment in Yoshiwara as a hakujin if I show them that I know the language?

    Right now I'm really cautious about either getting ripped off or snagged by the cops. I would guess that people in this forum would say that I'm overthinking it, but it's hard to get a second opinion on this stuff since I don't have anybody to talk about this in person with. Also, I see a lot of reviews and info from several years ago but I don't know if anything's changed since like 2010.

    Basically, I want to have some peace of mind when I stumble into one of these establishments about what goes on and what I can expect.

    I figure my budget is about 4-man at the highest. If I go into one of these places and choose a girl, can I:

    a) Kiss her?
    b) Play with her breasts/butt/legs? Not aggressively, but if I reach up and fondle her boobs or something then is that a breach of etiquette?
    c) Finger her pussy? Maybe that's not a great idea from an STD viewpoint.
    d) Have a reasonable expectation of CFS? Can I ask her to do whatever position I like or does she decide what we do? Nothing crazy but if it's my cash then I want to at least do cowgirl and doggy-style.

    Looks like the big ones I see online are King's Club and Darling Harbor. Is one generally better than the other? I see better reviews here for Darling Harbor. Are the facilities pretty clean? I'm guessing that it's gonna be hard to escape the smell of cigarette smoke.

    Up to a point, I'm willing to pay extra bucks for a hotter girl and better service. Are the girls more generous if you pay for the longer courses? When you select them, do you just see face shots or full-body shots? I'd love to get a slightly athletic girl with C-cups or bigger, but it sounds like it's a real crap shoot in that regard.

    Oh yeah, and one last thing. I'll probably be doing it on Saturday mid-day, since I'm generally hornier in the morning. Is there a better time? I figure that I'd want to catch the hottest chicks right at the beginning of their shift, but I don't know when that would be.

    Sorry for all the stupid questions. If this all turns out well I'm sure it'll be a hell of a time but right now it's terrifying as shit! :)
     
  2. bichan2

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    KeithOP welcome to TAG.

    I see you do have many questions on soapland experience. I would do a TAG search for soapland as there are several good explanations on the experiences others have had. One suggestion though. Make sure you ask for mat play or you may not get the full soapland experience. I speak from experience. Since you speak the language you can call to make a reservation making sure you get the girl you want and being able to be picked up from a near by station such as Minowa, Irya, ect.
     
  3. KeithOP

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    Thanks, I appreciate the response.

    I've tried to do my research around here, which is why I'm looking at Darling Harbor. It's got 2 good reviews on here versus one bad review for King's Club. I'm still unsure about a lot of this stuff, though, so if anyone can try and field my questions I'd be extremely thankful.

    Also, another thing I meant to ask, how easy is it to arrange a threesome? Can you do it at a Soapland or do you have to go to more of a specialist? Always wanted to check that item off the bucket list but I assume it's not cheap. Don't want to recreate that scene from American Psycho. ;)
     
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    I can't remember where it was posted, but there's another soapland thread on TAG that talks about 3somes at soaplands. I think you just have to arrange it up front. Don't count on the girls interacting, though.
     
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    To answer you questions from my view.

    Do I have a decent shot getting in any establishment in Yoshiwara as a hakujin if I show them that I know the language?

    A lot of soaplands do not allow foreigners even if you speak the language. There are some foreign friendly as you mentioned two of them and I know one other but you need to check TOKYO NIGHTS WEBSITE. There is someone that speaks some English at the first one. http://www.tokyonights.jp/japanese-girls/escort_list.php?id=1

    This is the one I mentioned to make sure you ask for mat play.
    Prices can be confusing as some soaplands will only show entrance fee and then it is more when you get inside.


    a) Kiss her? Yes most likely depend on the girl. Sometime with DFK.

    b) Play with her breasts/butt/legs? Not aggressively, but if I reach up and fondle her boobs or something then is that a breach of etiquette?

    Yes, but you need to be slow and watch how she responds.

    c) Finger her pussy?

    Yes most likely depending on the girl. Make fingernails are cut short and are clean underneath as to not injure or hurt her.

    d) Have a reasonable expectation of CFS?

    Most all the time CFS is included but not advertised as it is illegal if you have other TAG forums.

    e) Can I ask her to do whatever position?

    I wouldn't see why you could not move her around.

    Are the facilities pretty clean?

    Yes all are clean if not you wouldn't see many in business other than some have the smoke smell you mentioned.

    Are the girls more generous if you pay for the longer courses?

    Not necessarily. If you can afford it go for at least 90 - 120 minutes to get the full soapland experience as you be able to do mat play & bed play.

    When you select them, do you just see face shots or full-body shots?

    When I have gone usually a full body photo is shown and are photoshopped but still gives you the main view.

    Oh yeah, and one last thing. I'll probably be doing it on Saturday mid-day, since I'm generally hornier in the morning. Is there a better time?

    For me that is a personal preference as I would rather the girl be fresh if you get my drift.

    This may not have answered all your questions but it is a start. One other advice is I know you are nervous, but relax before you go in and enjoy yourself.
     
  6. KeithOP

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    Awesome, that helps a lot.

    I'm doing a little more research on the girls and I found one who had some gravure shots on an external site and it was stunning how different they looked from her shots on the Soapland's site. Still wouldn't kick her out of bed if she were just a random girl I met, but I can see why so many people say that they chose their girl based on the pictures and got something totally different than what they expected. I'd link it but furonavi's server is misbehaving. In any case, sounds like you really have no earthly idea how she's going to look until she's standing in front of you? Are the measurements at least somewhat accurate? I'm hoping I can get a girl who's got enough bust to do some paizuri, at the least.

    I was reading the blog of another girl and she was talking about how she had an American customer who visited her 3 days in a row. On the last day, he came in at 10 am but she wasn't able to make it until 2 pm. Hope they cut that poor dude a deal.

    If I do a phone reservation, do I have to give them my phone number? I guess they want to protect against pranks and stuff, but I really don't want to get Soapland spam on my phone. Maybe I'd be better off going there on Friday night to make the reservation in person and then coming back early Saturday morning when the prices are lower.
     
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    Are the measurements at least somewhat accurate?

    Speaking for me usually the measurements are pretty much accurate unless they've gotten a different job done and between their pictures.

    If I do a phone reservation, do I have to give them my phone number?

    If you are going to make arrangements to pick you up you most likely will need to give them your phone number just in case they need to contact you when they pick you up and you're in the area and they can't find you. Most of the times that I have done it I've had no problems with spam or anything on the phone numbers. It is your choice going there on Friday night to make the reservation in person and then coming back early Saturday morning. Most of the time for foreigners there is usually what is called a geijin tax is ¥10,000 so lower prices in the morning time may not apply to foreigners.
     
  8. KeithOP

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    Sorry, one last round of questions to torment you all...

    How common is the "entrance fee" thing? On Darling Harbor's site I see that the early bird special is something like 2-man for 90 minutes (the site's down so I can't confirm) and then an additional discount if you say you saw it online. Adding in the gaijin tax (I really hope I get a receipt so I can look for something like "外国人税") that would be something like 3-man, but is that just to get onto the premises? I'm trying to figure out how much cash I should have on hand. Hope I don't have to walk around with like 10-man in my pocket.

    If you go there at maybe 8 am on a weekend morning are the girls going to be relatively fresh? If you want to be their first client of the day do you really gotta get there at the ass-crack of dawn?

    How "clean" are the girls relative to delihel and the like? I see some reviews talking about 69s and stuff, so I'm wondering if I should return the favor with my tongue or just enjoy the view. Doesn't sound like anyone here has caught anything from BBBJ at a Soapland.

    By the way, I wanted to say that I'm impressed with this forum. Seems pretty well-moderated and level-headed. I tend to avoid your standard "expat" gathering spots like the plague, for reasons I'm sure you're all well aware of. ;)
     
  9. oppai_seijin

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    ive never heard of a sex institute giving out receipts. unless you pay it with a credit card i guess.
    regarding the freshness of the ladies. theres no guarantee. i mean honestly. it depends on the person right?
    some soaplands offers to do brabeback services not sure about darling harbor or the place youre planning to go.
    so if youre question regarding "freshness" is about that. then without a doubt being the first client is the better choice.

    on my own personally experience i find koreans much cleaner than the japanese ive met.(still prefer Japanese though)

    soaplands and deriherus main 2 diff is

    1. in soaplands youll definitely get FS. (deriheru dont provide FS, regarding FS youll have to talk to the girl not the shop, some girls say yes, some will do it for an extra charge)
    2. deriheru = younger girls
     
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    Usually if you see a price of ¥20000 that is for entrance only to the shop. Then the fee for the girl is about the same so making it roughly ¥40000. Since you speak the language you can always call & find out the total cost or send an email if the shop has an email address. You can get an idea of total cost by searching the TAG forum for others who have used Darling Harbor or send a private message to one of the people who has used their services.
     
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    Just a note, when I went to Darling Harbour the second time I went armed with all the knowledge of the discounts listed on their site, but I was politely told that those are for "members" only, ie. Japanese people.

    So there's no special fees or tax, but the discounts are not for you. Also I've found that DH at least only shops the faces, so if you check their site you'll get a decent idea of the body. And honestly the shopping with them isn't that hectic.
     
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    Yes, it's true. But in my case, the face was so unattractive, to be polite, that it killed my enthusiasm... Luckily, what she lacked in looks, she had in service quality, so that with a little bit of imagination, I managed to get it up anddn emptied.
     
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    hey keith i was a bit curious too, execpt i was wondering if theres any small services for like korean or japanese. ive tagged along with a buddy for assitance its reccomended as well. im living in tokyo myself around shibuya and scouting girls is pretty fun too but time consuming. let me know if you need help, i myself need assitance with korean ones
     
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    Well shit, thanks for the offer. Don't expect to pass me off as Japanese, though!

    I think I'm probably gonna go to Yoshiwara this weekend. I see some really, really hot girls at Kings Club but I really don't want to get the run-around from them if all the reports from the last year or two say that they do everything short of flat-out barring gaijin. Looks like Darling Harbor it is.

    I see a lot of girls working weekend mornings, so I hope they're not all booked up by the time I get there. It's been quite a long time for me so my two biggest concerns are popping too early and whether or not I should eat the girl out. I'd love to but I wonder if it's too risky STD-wise.
     
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    hey keith thanks for the reply! im wondering myself what to do this weekend, so there one your going to hows the price range and also as far as eating out the girl...id think twice about it, most girls of course are clean and served ready for the customer but theyve still been served daily to customers, id recommend protection just to be on the safe side
     
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    sorry to interrupt
    @jon kobayashi
    if ur a asian gaijin and can speak japanese good enough
    k-deri wouldnt be a problem. most of d girls cant speak proper japanese.
    specially d new ones.
    i wouldnt mind helping u though, i can call d place up and ask if they accept a person with ur qualification
    much better if id be calling d shops i frequently go to, they might loose some strings for u. but not certainly sure though
     
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    ah dont be sorry, k-deri? how do the girls look like ? if that is possible that would be really helpful and nice, im curious what is the service and price range.
     
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    Well, shit! I did it!

    First of all, thanks to all who have contributed to the forum over the years so I could have some idea of what I was getting into. Helped a lot.

    I went in the night before and reserved a girl, but when I got there the next morning, they told me that she was on her period, so she couldn't work. I sort of wonder whether that was true or not, but who the hell knows. Fortunately my #2 choice was still available, so I went with her. When they quoted me a price I remarked how it was more than what the web site listed, but they told me straight up "Sorry, man, that's for Japanese people." At least they were polite about it. In fact, they were remarkably polite about everything; it's kind of funny how consummate Japanese professionalism even applies to soaplands.

    I hate to say it, but as I get older, I find there are periods of time where I'm really horny and other times where I might go a week or so without so much as jerking off. Unfortunately I find myself in the middle of one of those periods now, but I had to make a lot of travel arrangements to get to Tokyo, so I couldn't bide my time until a day where I felt like I needed to get my rocks off. I knew going in that I probably wasn't going to be popping a lot, but I wasn't as nervous as I thought I would be.

    The girl I got was, as you might expect, pretty different from her picture, but fairly attractive nonetheless. I'm guessing she was in her early 30s. I told her it was my first time at a soapland so she guided me through everything. I talked to her in Japanese the whole time and she was really cool and friendly. I know it's her job but she made me feel like she was enjoying herself and happy to talk to me.

    The thing that surprised me most was when she was washing me on that weird half-seat thing and started cleaning my asshole. I've never had anyone play around down there before and it was a hell of a sensation to put it mildly. It felt pretty good after the initial shock but it's probably a very good thing that I didn't know about it ahead of time or I would have been really tense.

    I paid for 80 minutes and we spent most of it doing mat play. I wasn't watching the clock but if it was actually 80 then it went by in the blink of an eye. I wish I could've popped more than once but between the lotion and the condom, I didn't actually feel it very much during CFS. Maybe if I were hornier. It was also hard to get into a decent position on the mat without sliding around everywhere. I completely forgot to try the positions I wanted since she was guiding so much. She seemed like she had a set routine and didn't want to deviate from it very much.

    All in all, the nuru massage thing was ten times better than I thought it would be. I came out of it feeling really fucking good, and I don't think my sphincter has been this clean since I had an umbilical cord attached. Fuckin' A.

    I'll write a review in a few days since the other reviews were helpful to me when I was researching this stuff. I'm a little hesitant to name her since she told me some stuff in (seeming) confidence that I probably shouldn't blab about, and I kind of wonder if putting it on the publicly-accessible internet is going to bite her or me in the ass at some point down the road. But if you're on the fence, Darling Harbor gets my thumbs up.
     
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    Can you remember the name of the girl you had? And who was your first choice?
     
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    @KeithOP, this looks like a fair experience. I see you enjoyed it on many levels.
    In my opinion, it's good to be guided the first time you go to a soapland, especially when you're not too horny.
     

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