Positive prostitution books and movies?

[User#8628]

Also i can personally advise everyone who's also interested in these kind of stories "diary of a manhattan call girl". Which is not related to secret diary of a callgirl strange enough. But i read it in my teens and it taught me a lot about the industry, i still remember the stories in there today.

I also ordered "the happy ", it will take a month to come to Japan and i hope it will arrive well. Seems pretty good to me.

I went ahead and ordered the dvd box of secret diary of a callgirl. Very excited for it.

Will look into ordering Charlotte's book this night.

Another book that has taught me a lot was 90 days geisha. Its not about sex work but about hostessing culture done by a foreigner. Super informative though most of them bars she describes dont exist anymore (she does briefly mention seventh heaven, but she did not try working there).

 

[User#8628]

For example, one of my favorite movies is Moulin Rouge. Its brilliant and the sex worker is absolutely stunning and confident, however, her boyfriend gets very jealous and in the end she can't do it anymore and want to run away but ultimately she dies. Its too tragic really but that does make for a great story.
I am actually thinking of changing my escort name to Satine because of this movie, would it be too confusing to change it now?
And also, many Japanese people have told me i look like Nicole Kidman, which i don't really believe but appreciate it very much. She is probably the most beautiful woman in the world together with Margot Robbie in my opinion.
I'm very happy if people compare me to Nicole, or to Emma Watson which i also hear a lot (someone here even said it in a review!)

 

[User#18046]

For example, one of my favorite movies is Moulin Rouge. Its brilliant and the sex worker is absolutely stunning and confident, however, her boyfriend gets very jealous and in the end she can't do it anymore and want to run away but ultimately she dies. Its too tragic really but that does make for a great story.
I am actually thinking of changing my escort name to Satine because of this movie, would it be too confusing to change it now?
And also, many Japanese people have told me i look like Nicole Kidman, which i don't really believe but appreciate it very much. She is probably the most beautiful woman in the world together with Margot Robbie in my opinion.
I'm very happy if people compare me to Nicole, or to Emma Watson which i also hear a lot (someone here even said it in a review!)

I have made the Nicole Kidman connection myself, but only in the one photo where you are lying on your back on the bed. Me, I get compared to Colin Hay from Men at Work.

IMHO: do NOT change your name. Your name is your brand and you have built it. Should Sony change their name to "Totoro" because they liked the movie? Should Prince change his name to a symbol? Wait...

Seriously though, brand identity and "goodwill" are nothing to trifled with. Companies spend billions to build and protect it. You've clicked "like" on a million posts to make sure your name is seen as often as possible, and a jillion positive reviews refer to someone called "Alice." You lose all that if you change your name. You will survive just fine, because your clients are regulars and love you. The word will get around who you are after the name change, but it seems an unnecessary churn and the newbs won't know your rep until you rebuild. Wait until you move to a new place and change it then.

 

[Wwanderer]

I am actually thinking of changing my escort name to Satine because of this movie, would it be too confusing to change it now?

I agree with @Not Even Dave. It is not a good idea to change your name for all the reasons he gave, especially since Alice In Wonderland fits your appearance so well.

However, if you want to be called Satine sometimes, you could always ask favorite/regular customers to call you that in-person even if you stick with your current screen/street name.

-Ww

 

[User#18046]

However, if you want to be called Satine sometimes, you could always ask favorite/regular customers to call you that in-person even if you stick with your current screen/street name.

-Ww

Yes, this. I bet regulars would be eager to provide that role play for you if they know it pleases you.

 

[Legarto]

On the original topic, "working" by Dolores French is an older book (1980s) but its still a great read.

 

[zecarioca]

@Sinapse has already mentioned, and I second him: "Paying For It". I started a thread about this book a few months ago: https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/paying-for-it-by-chester-brown.12051/

 

[TAG Manager]

I also want to see any story about a man that markets or manages escorts in a good light.

I'd like to see more of this too...

But you know, better drama always sell better than a 'good' story about someone who's trying to do some good.

I've already told one or two girls that they should really start putting down their experiences on paper or hire a ghostwriter to help then build up a book. Even I have some stories to tell that could easily be made into a book of the non-fiction variety. But in reality - those men actually managing escorts aren't always good at heart and their bottom line is more important that the girls that work with him. (or her in some circumstances) I think the situation in Japan is very tame, but outside these borders, it's a nightmare in some cities for some girls.

The fluctuation in media attention goes up and down too... some seek to destroy, discredit or scare people. Others are more supportive and enabling.

 

[User#8628]

Old thread but i got something to add
I really like the newest King Arthur movie, the one with Jude Law as the bad guy.

Arthur grows up in a brothel and the girls always take good care of him. Then when he is an adult he protects them. Yes, ultimately this movie still has the "dying prostitute syndrome".
But what i like is the way Arthur talks about the girls. He says things like "she is a sweet girl" and "she is my friend". This is exactly the image of sex workers we need in the media. Not like calculating, fucked up people but like sweet people with others in their lifes who care about them.

 

[Wwanderer]

But what i like is the way Arthur talks about the girls. He says things like "she is a sweet girl" and "she is my friend". This is exactly the image of sex workers we need in the media. Not like calculating, fucked up people but like sweet people with others in their lifes who care about them.

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Really important point well and concisely made.

A very large fraction of the general population has no direct personal contact with p4p and relies on media and fictional representations...leading to stigmatization. Just think of the impact of that single famous old movie PRETTY WOMAN and how often it is mentioned in one way or another. Of course it was unrealistic in many ways and presented p4p itself negatively, but simply the fact that Julia Roberts' character was a "good person" gave it a novel perspective for many.

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

1000x likes!

Really important point well and concisely made.

A very large fraction of the general population has no direct personal contact with p4p and relies on media and fictional representations...leading to stigmatization. Just think of the impact of that single famous old movie PRETTY WOMAN and how often it is mentioned in one way or another. Of course it was unrealistic in many ways and presented p4p itself negatively, but simply the fact that Julia Roberts' character was a "good person" gave it a novel perspective for many.

-Ww

Good point. And while Julia Roberts seems innocent, her friend who is a lot wilder and more colorful is also portrayed as a nice girl.

 

[Troilist]

@User#8628
I’m not sure if you have access to STARZ in Japan. But if so, you should check out the show “The Girlfriend Experience.” They are now airing the second season. It shares some insights on the P4P lifestyle.

 

[TAG Manager]

@User#8628
I’m not sure if you have access to STARZ in Japan. But if so, you should check out the show “The Girlfriend Experience.” They are now airing the second season. It shares some insights on the P4P lifestyle.

I’m in the middle of this series now... I’ll reserve my comments until I finish the batch of episodes I have yet to watch.

 

[jhingy567]

The Girlfriend Experience

I haven't seen it yet, but skimming the wikipedia page, it seems like a lot of drama, thievery, secret recordings, blackmail etc. Not the most flattering depictions of girls in the industry!

 

[Ken1988]

I thought about the portrayal of prostitutes in two old films, "Klute" and "L'amant de poche” but, no, they are stereotypical even though somewhat positive. In an even older Japanese film “Sun in the last days of Shogunate”, the geisha girls in the brothel portrayed fairly positive - they were in fact one of very few female Japanese who were literate in the 19th century.

 

[Rikako Katayama]

I like "Hors de Prix (English: Priceless)."
Audrey Tautou is a sexy and devious escort who is so confident in her trade. In the film, her male friend becomes a gigolo almost by an accident, and she teaches him how to get the most out of the employers (so funny-OMG!). It's a bittersweet love story between them that discusses love and money. It was worth reading subtitles!

 

[Rikako Katayama]

Also- "Fading Gigolo" by John Turturo (male escort) and Woody Allen (his pimp).
Overall, I think it's a compassionate story about an escort, who is also lonely himself, heals lonely people starving for intimacy in a big city. Concepts like 'sex' and 'religion' (Jewish) are intertwined to make some delicate points about people's values and their lives.
Great cinematography & music too.

 

[DJnLJ]

Haven't seen it yet, but Molly's Game was just released.

 

[User#8628]

For Japanese movies, I definitely have to add Sakuran. There is a lot of drama but the girls are totally badass, more so than in memories of a geisha, which has a lot of similarities.

If we are talking about gigolos, there is this really funny comedy called Deuce Bigalo: male gigolo. Its not serious at all but there are some really sweet good guy gigolos in there.

 

[Troilist]

I haven't seen it yet, but skimming the wikipedia page, it seems like a lot of drama, thievery, secret recordings, blackmail etc. Not the most flattering depictions of girls in the industry!

I can’t vouch for the second season since it is still being aired and I haven’t seen most of it. But I feel like the first season showed a rather timid woman who was a newbie in the industry and demonstrated how she evolved in her craft over time. By the end of the season, she was in total control and a Master of her profession.

 

[Frenchy]

Also- "Fading Gigolo" by John Turturo (male escort) and Woody Allen (his pimp).
Overall, I think it's a compassionate story about an escort, who is also lonely himself, heals lonely people starving for intimacy in a big city. Concepts like 'sex' and 'religion' (Jewish) are intertwined to make some delicate points about people's values and their lives.
Great cinematography & music too.

Yes, I loved it. Vanessa Paradis surprised me as an American orthodox Jew, a role very far from her normal personality (and usual roles)

 

[jhingy567]

by John Turturo (male escort)

Anyone seen The Night of? Turturo is brilliant in that series.

it doesn't really have a focus on prostitution themes, but the lawyer himself is an outcast who helps those on the fringes of society (including immigrants, prostitutes and others in trouble etc).

I can’t vouch for the second season since it is still being aired and I haven’t seen most of it. But I feel like the first season showed a rather timid woman who was a newbie in the industry and demonstrated how she evolved in her craft over time. By the end of the season, she was in total control and a Master of her profession.

Ok, I downloaded a random episode (S01E03) - only watching the escort-client interactions. She does play the character well (and is very attractive).
I think the awkward scenes with that nervous Asian client are spot-on! made me cringe a little too. Watching it from a third party perspective, it does show the superficiality of usual escort-client relationships.

I wonder which movie girls here think provides the most realistic portrayal of the job?

 

[User#8628]

If we are talking male sex workers, Magic Mike is a classic of course ❤️

And i love how serious he was about saving money and starting his own business.

 

[User#8628]

I wonder which movie girls here think provides the most realistic portrayal of the job?

I haven't seen one that really portays it the way i feel.
I have watched all the "secret dairy of a callgirl" series, and i think its fairly realistic but she does more PSE and i like GFE, so its pretty different.

Movies are always overly dramatic so i think none are actually that realistic.
Books come a lot closer.

 

[TonyBe]

I can’t vouch for the second season since it is still being aired and I haven’t seen most of it. But I feel like the first season showed a rather timid woman who was a newbie in the industry and demonstrated how she evolved in her craft over time. By the end of the season, she was in total control and a Master of her profession.

I would very much agree, I think that's a really good description and I thought Season 1 was really good. The first season is also on Amazon Prime (or can be downloaded via torrent).


Something slightly different that I would like to recommend in that the girl is really more of a mistress or sugar baby rather than an escort is a 1984 book (and 1992 film) called "The Lover". The girl is from a poor, but respectable, white French family living in Vietnam in the 1930s who meets an older, wealthy Chinese man and they embark on a sugar daddy/sugar baby type relationship. (By the way, there's no dying prostitute theme either - she lives happily ever after)

The book is rather better than the film. A review of the book is here:-


The Lover, By Marguerite Duras

I was 29 when I first read Marguerite Duras's 1984 masterpiece, 'The Lover', translated from the French by Barbara Bray. A revelation and a confrontation in equal measure, it was as if I had burst out of an oak-panelled 19th-century gentleman's club - into something exhilarating, sexy, melancholy, truthful, modern and female.

If its cool, spare prose and flawless narrative design was somehow representative of the Nouveau Roman, largely associated with Alain Robbe-Grillet, it was clear to me that its major difference was that Duras did not distrust emotion. To write 'The Lover', she drew on her early years living in Saigon with her impoverished mother and belligerent brothers. Structured as a kind of memoir, it is about a teenage girl living a peculiar colonial existence in French Indochina in the 1930s with her genteel but "beggar family".

[...]

... 'The Lover' does not just portray a forbidden sexual encounter of mind-blowing passion and intensity; it is also an essay on memory, death, desire and how colonialism messes up everyone.

I'm not convinced a book as incandescent as 'The Lover', more existential than feminist, would be published today. Questions would arise. Are the characters likeable (not exactly), is it experimental or mainstream (neither), is it a novel or a novella? Fortunately for Duras, it didn't matter to her readers. It sold a million copies in 43 languages, won the Prix Goncourt and was made into a commercial film.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...me-the-lover-by-marguerite-duras-2362943.html

The film, of necessity, obviously leaves a lot out but it is also well worth watching as well. Here is a trailer for it:-