Providers that offer BBBJ/CIM/Swallow

[whocares]

I might not have explained myself well...

I think people believe the power in the relationship is with the dude...and it really isn't...like...the gal arrives, you give her money and at that point you are largely at her mercy...if she does not want to do something she isn't going to...if you mess with her, a giant six foot five monster is going to knock on your door (in North America at least the escorts are driven to outcalls and picked up by a giant dude who will fuck you up if you give him reason to...and I am certain the cops will side with a [Redacted] lady over an evil foreigner every day of the week)...and if you are unhappy, what are you going to do? Sure you could post on TAG but TAG's are niche groups and, I imagine, a relatively small percentage of mongers read reviews on these sites...

So, for me, it's an illusion that the dude is in charge...so any domination fetish of the "aww yah, swallow my cum, bitch" rings hollow to me...the reality is that she could take your cash, walk out and what are you going to do? assault her? Call the cops?

As to the control...it's an interesting question...I imagine that these ladies get desensitized pretty quickly...so, even there, I think most of the time the lady is probably "meh" on the whole thing...like she may well provide an option but I doubt that after the first week, they really care all that much? if that makes sense...so, she certainly is likely to have a preference, but, frankly if your job is to fuck guys you'd never fuck in your personal life and pretend they are the greatest, is there really that far to go from CIM to swallow?

 

[akasam]

I might not have explained myself well...

No, that part was clear. I don't disagree with that, but I think the control is equally shared (in any fair p4p transaction). This doesn't mean it can't be abused or that bad attitudes and behavior don't ruin it when taken too far. If a guy actually said "take my cum, bitch" while doing CIM I think the girl at [Redacted] has every right to walk away and ban the guy. He can think it, just can't say it.

Reminds me of an old joke:

An elephant is walking through the jungle and gets a painful splinter in his foot.

He is moaning in pain, just when an ant walks up. The ant sees his problem, and says, "Hey, I'll pull the splinter out of your foot, if you let me fuck you up the ass."

The elephant laughs a bit and agrees. So the ant climbs along his foot, and is able to pull hard enough to remove the splinter. The elephant is immediately relived, and thanks the ant. The ant says, "You made a deal - now I get to fuck you up the ass!" The elephant laughs again and says, "Yep, a deal is a deal - go ahead!"

So the ant climbs up the elephant's hind leg, goes under his tail, and starts to do his business. Meanwhile, a monkey has been up in a tree watching this whole thing, and throws a coconut at the elephant, hitting him squarely in the head.

The elephant then rears up on his hind legs and lets out a huge yell of pain.

The ant screams, "Take it all, Bitch!"

 

[whocares]

Totes...but then if you can't say it, it's not really domination...which goes to my point that the control is an illusion...

 

[Yuriko]

Totally agree. Yeah sure, try almost everything once, but for some guys I think it's a domination thing in getting the girl to do something she really doesn't want to do (not that there's anything wrong with it if she's into it too).

What I really don't like is when the girl rushes off immediately to the bathroom as if she has just been poisoned, then you hear spitting and rinsing and it's an ordeal. I understand it, but it kills any GFE and intimacy afterwards. Using a kleenex discreetly is far preferable if she can do it.

You should say that to a girl you'll meet beforehand, for post CIM matter. if that's your manner and very important to you, you'd better make it clear, before doing it. To me, it's a pretty much similar action to shower after sex.

Also, you don't want to have someone's cum in your mouth still not well washed and leave the LH, is not completed...It's just a shower wash action to clean up. Or just like clearing it up, throwing away a cumful of used condom you had sex with.

if you don't want disappoionted action to happen, and highly matter as for your protocol, say to the girl before you get bj, then you would have this issue solved. （╹◡╹）

 

[akasam]

You should say that to a girl you'll meet beforehand, for post CIM matter.

Explaining too many details beforehand breaks the mood. Of course you should for any deal breakers, but part of a good GFE is having the little things go unsaid.

Also, you don't want to have someone's cum in your mouth still not well washed and leave the LH,

Sure, but in the seconds of joy after just cumming is not the time, for me at least. Some guys may want you to get that icky stuff out of your mouth and gargle before even touching you again. Those guys are jerks, IMHO. Understanding what each guy wants is part of the job.

Talk to the guys in your real life to see what they prefer and figure out what works for you.

 

[Wwanderer]

You don't need a double blind clinical study to get enough data to make a statistically useful conclusion. There are many natural experiments that can be analyzed and data collected if anyone were motivated to look. Further, it would be possible to artificially change the data by regulation, fees, etc. The big problem is that most of this activity is illegal or underground so people tend not to be honest and open about it. That's a pity.

Imperfect experiments, for sure, but people who know what they're doing are really good at learning from such experiments these days.

To my understanding, research of this sort is not as easy as you make it sound. Controlled clinical experiments violate ethical research standards in most countries and are therefore illegal or at least unfundable and unwelcome at most research institutions. And while data can be collected from what you call "natural experiments", it tends to be *extremely* unreliable, biased and distorted due to selection due to the sorts of people who will participate in such studies, the fact that people/couples almost always have a wide range of sexual activities and because people lie about (and misremember) their sex lives. Moreover, for rare events (small risk activities), very large and thus expensive sample sizes are required.

Basically the "people who know what they're doing" in this regard whom I've talked to (and there are a few) tend to emphasize how hard it is to learn from such data.

-Ww

 

[whocares]

The problems with studying this are numerous.

1) You'd need to do it in a country where paid sex acts are legal
2) You'd need a control group that weren't having any sex acts performed
3) You'd need regular blood tests done (and re-done to eliminate false positives, false negatives)
4) You'd need to knowingly put people at risk for disease (i.e. by definition you have to have people with disease in the study AND know who they are to have any meaningful results and you would never get ethical approval on that)...like how would you advertise this? Either you will not get blown, you will get blown by a woman with no disease or you will get blown by a woman with disease, come on by! And by the way, for any meaningful results we will need blood each and every time you get blown and you can't have any sexual contact outside the study for weeks and weeks.

and on and on...

So basically if you could convince an ethics board, and get funding, and get past the social outcry of blowing dudes for science that would surely arise, and get the participants etc...etc...

I had to go to an ethics committee to get approval to run a f'ing survey on land use for my masters thesis...there are too many hurdles.

 

[akasam]

I suppose "easy" is a relative term. Figuring out the distance to a particular star might seem an impossible problem to the average person too. But it's "easy" for those who know how to do it.

The reasons you guys give seem to indicate that we can not possibly know anything about sexual behavior (and possibly anything else other than hard science). Does anal sex without a condom increase the chances of HIV? Who knows, impossible to tell. Does trickle down economics work? Too many variables, let's just try it again.

 

[whocares]

I did not say that it was impossible just that they do not do controlled studies to see how we transmit HIV...that comes from thousands of cases in the field...which, because they are not controlled need far more data to be accurate

 

[akasam]

How many blowjobs do you think are given in Japan every day? The data is there and it is probably far more reliable than reports of anal sex in America during the 80s and 90s. As I said, not only could you look at "natural experiments" (I'm not sure you know what I mean by that), but you could put your finger on the scales by changing policies in various locales/establishments.

Every reason you gave about why you can't do such an experiment apply to HIV studies. We know how to do this one too, we just choose not to.

 

[Wwanderer]

Does anal sex without a condom increase the chances of HIV? Who knows, impossible to tell.

Strawman.

No one said it is impossible to learn anything about such topics.

We know about unprotected anal sex as a high efficiency HIV channel because it is such a strong effect that it swamps the statistical and systematic uncertainties associated with epidemiological studes AND, even more importantly, because the physical mechanism of the transmission are understood in detail.

But that does not mean that "the experts" can get reliable answers to any such question you care to ask.

-Ww

 

[akasam]

I chose an extreme example because your claims were also extreme. I think you are also unclear on the meaning of "natural experiment" BTW, or just choosing to ignore it.

I'm not going to go point by point arguing why you guys are looking at this the wrong way (or are just wildly misunderstanding what I'm saying). That would take way too long. However, if the effect we are measuring is so insignificant that it can't be reliably measured? THEN WE'VE LEARNED SOMETHING! Swallow away, young girls.

But that does not mean that "the experts" can get reliable answers to any such question you care to ask.

Strawman! Wow, that sure is easy to claim, isn't it.

 

[Wwanderer]

Strawman! Wow, that sure is easy to claim, isn't it.

Very easy when someone refutes a point no one was making.

-Ww

 

[akasam]

Very easy when someone refutes a point no one was making.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. You know, the thing you did just then.

 

[Wwanderer]

Every reason you gave about why you can't do such an experiment apply to HIV studies. We know how to do this one too, we just choose not to.

Obvious I suppose, but the reason that we chose to find out so much about HIV/AIDS at great cost in both money and the efforts of many talented researchers (read opportunity cost) is that the disease was killing people horribly in exponentially increasing numbers at the time. If any disease(s) transmitted by oral sex were to ever to do the same sort of thing (let's hope not), it would likely be subjected to equally expensive and extensive study. In other words, we don't pay much attention to the risks of oral sex because, so far, there is no sufficiently strong need to do so. Duh.

-Ww

 

[akasam]

Another strawman, IMO. You are not saying anything that isn't true, but it is completely irrelevant to the original point (and not even that relevant to what we were just talking about).

The misconception I'm addressing is that this is not a solvable question. It is, we know how to answer such questions and we HAVE answered such questions (and even more trivial questions). We DON'T need to get a hundred girls and a hundred infected dicks and force 50 of them to swallow, as some people think.

Is it worth the cost? If a $1m study resulted in info that would decrease STDs from oral sex by 1%, I think it would be worth it. Nobody in particular is going to fund that, for reasons I mentioned before, even if it provides a net benefit to society.

 

[Wwanderer]

@akasam - Our opinions differ, but I am inclined to leave it there. I have some confidence in mine due to some of my professional experiences decades back and some of my credential expertise, but I'm not going to be any more specific than that for reasons that are probably obvious.

-Ww