Review for Sinapse / Attraction Japan / "The Fine Art of Nanpa"

[IronGiant]

I'm a career guy in his 50s living in Japan. I first came to TAG for advice about using Ashley Madison on a trip to Tokyo. It worked out great (see my old posts from a few years back), but now that I've moved here, I've actually given away my AM account (which had some $300 worth of credits in it!) because I don't need it or want it any more -- all thanks to Sinapse and his mentor, Dorian Gray.

These guys are like magicians. With accomplished ease they approach Japanese women on the street and make close after close. And they do it without any "tricks" or "gimmicks" or manipulation, they do it through a combination of (a) deep knowledge of Japanese culture, (b) genuine interest in women as persons (i.e., not just as pussies), (c) respect for women, (d) a brutal drive for self-improvement, and (e) practice, practice, practice.

A few months ago I bought Sinapse's online course and then had a five-hour private coaching session with him. Since then I've taken the three-day intensive boot camp taught by Dorian Gray and Sinapse, and I'm presently devouring their new book (of which I was privileged to review a couple of chapters in advance). I started with baby steps -- international parties, etc. -- but now I've approached dozens and dozens of women in the street, and although I still have a very long way to go (and dealing with rejection takes a lot of mental capital, I can tell you) I'm seeing four or five women on a regular basis. Most of them are in their thirties or forties, but there's also a 22-year-old gem whom I would never have approached, let alone kissed in the elevator and slept with five days later, if it hadn't been for these guys. I've also been on dates with 18-year-olds, and I am presently in text conversations with three women in their twenties whom I approached cold on the street. And this is barely three months after my first introduction to the world of PUA. Things are only going to get better from here.

I just want everyone to know that (1) Japan nanpa for foreigners is real, (2) if nanpa is possible for an old guy like me then it's possible for you too, and (3) Dorian Gray and Sinapse know how to do it and how to teach it.

One drawback: nanpa is seriously addicting. With my demanding job it's hard to find time to hit the streets, but that's where I'm spending every available moment now . . . .

 

[DocMcStuffins]

These guys are like magicians. With accomplished ease they approach Japanese women on the street and make close after close. And they do it without any "tricks" or "gimmicks" or manipulation, they do it through a combination of (a) deep knowledge of Japanese culture, (b) genuine interest in women as persons (i.e., not just as pussies), (c) respect for women, (d) a brutal drive for self-improvement, and (e) practice, practice, practice.

Thanks for the review. I suspect some people have suspicions, so could you support your argument for points b and c?

 

[TokyoML]

Basically.. everybody on this board mentions point#b and point#c while doing P4P. When you are meeting escorts, you don't just fuck, you talked to them, ask them politely, and you are genuinely interested in them and their body. I think that was what IronGiant was referring too.

It is no different while doing PUA. P4P people always think PUA are scamming the women. While the general population always think people doing P4P are sleazeballs.

I haven't done any street PUA but looking to start soon.

(b) genuine interest in women as persons (i.e., not just as pussies), (c) respect for women

 

[Tricky]

100,000 yen seems like a lot for a bootcamp...Almost a month's rent.

 

[TokyoML]

2 sessions at Soapland or any other P4P play is about 100,000 YEN. Almost a month's rent.

 

[Desktop]

There are guys who paid as much & got terrible experiences. I would rather hear more people trying this out.

 

[Tricky]

2 sessions at Soapland or any other P4P play is about 100,000 YEN. Almost a month's rent.

Much cheaper options (eg. deai cafe), plus at least there is some guarantee of some sort of satisfaction, depending on service. I have seen other bootcamps for around 30,000 yen, which seems more reasonable.

 

[TokyoML]

you might be right, but.... the best sex is when you don't pay for it. The girls are into it. The sex is natural.

Whenever someone pays... it seems like you're paying for a service. The girls are doing it as a job.


Trust me. I go to Kirari all the time for the amateur girls. But I think whenever sex is free, it's even better.

 

[MikeH]

But I think whenever sex is free, it's even better.

Sex is never free. Not for you and neither for the girl. To be honest that also applies to everything else in life. There are no free lunches, and not even breakfasts or snacks.

You always pay and sometimes it is easier to pay with money, not with your time, commitment or something else.

I agree what you said; sex is good when the girl is into it and it feels natural. This applies for both p4p and non-p4p sex.

 

[Sinapse]

Well @IronGiant not only got 4-5 regular girls (if he only ever sees them 4 times, at minimum value of 30,000 for delihealth or whatever, that's 30k X 4 X 4 = 480,000jpy) from the coaching (and if he only ever gets laid from those 4 girls for the rest of his life and he immediately breaks up with them he's already up at least 380,000), he's gained a skillset and mindset that persists with him forever, should be choose to apply it. Hard for me to imagine it's overpriced. In fact, I think it's criminally undervalued. Realize, this is a life long skill set you gain, not a single lay. Something which, even if you don't go out on the streets religiously as I do, you'll still be able to apply as women enter your orbit / proximity.

It might seem lofty or overblown but ultimately, nanpa is freedom and ability to create your own reality. Whether or not you see it that way may be highly influenced by whether or not you've tried it...

Also, I find it hilarious that people are doubting MY interest and respect for women when many mongers cheerily quote that You're "paying for them to go away" or trying to eke out the minimum time to ejaculatory satisfaction possible. I'd urge all parties to not to presume what the other may or may not be interested in based on hasty assumptions. Ultimately, we're all dogs in the eyes of society so might as well play nice with each other

 

[User#8628]

I agree what you said; sex is good when the girl is into it and it feels natural. This applies for both p4p and non-p4p sex.

Absolutely. There have definitely been times i was quite horny during p4p, and also times with boyfriends that i just wanted to get it over with. P4p or not is not always relevant here.

Much cheaper options (eg. deai cafe), plus at least there is some guarantee of some sort of satisfaction, depending on service. I have seen other bootcamps for around 30,000 yen, which seems more reasonable.

I believe the 100.000 boothcamp is a whole weekend, while the 30.000 yen ones are probably a few hours.
The more time someone, provider or teacher, put into it, the more expensive it gets. But some people are just looking for something more intensive.

 

[MikeH]

Ultimately, we're all dogs in the eyes of society so might as well play nice with each other

Do you think that is true also in general in Japan? I don't mean the part of playing nice with each other, it is always a good advice. Better to live your life being nice than being an asshole in any regards.

But I think both p4p and nanpa is generally not accepted in western societies and quite much more accepted or at least tolerated in Asian countries, and maybe especially so in Japan.

 

[Sinapse]

But I think both p4p and nanpa is generally not accepted in western societies and quite much more accepted or at least tolerated in Asian countries, and maybe especially so in Japan.

True! I think both are somewhat more accepted over here. However, both still carry a negative connotation (depending on who and in what situations you talk to)

 

[Sinapse]

I also think the concept of female choice is incredibly rewarding, if not the most rewarding aspect of nanpa. The idea that by nothing but your direct action and the skill of your conversation and leadership that you diverted an otherwise lonely and bored (or busy and rushed!) girl into a happy, mutual sexual experience / relationship of her choosing affords a level of satisfaction above and beyond something that anyone can buy.One might say that the MOST valuable experiences are those which money cannot buy, no matter how much you put on the table. The painter doesn't paint, after all, because of the financial rewards (at least usually). Similarly, those with all the money in the world can be left unhappy if they feel unable to do that which liberates and inspires them and gives them purpose and a sense of creativity

 

[Sinapse]

There are guys who paid as much & got terrible experiences. I would rather hear more people trying this out.

I'm also curious exactly what you are referring to. As far as I know, there has never been a single bad review about our bootcamp. Other nanpa or pickup instructors I can't speak for whatsoever, and many have been shunnedfrom the community for not knowing WTF they are talking about. Anyway I wouldn't wanna be associated with those guys anyway.

But if there's a bad review, I hope it gets published publicly. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine given the percentage of lives changed

 

[Desktop]

There are guys who paid as much for your boot camp for ladies & have had bad experiences. I would rather hear people giving you guys a try.

 

[raoxi]

Can we listen to the other side too? Those who took your bootcamp but still can not make anything happen?

What went wrong for them?

 

[BladeRunner]

To be honest that also applies to everything else in life. There are no free lunches, and not even breakfasts or snacks.

I'm surprised that this Trumpism has so many likes! What a cynical view of the world! Ever heard of charity?

 

[DocMcStuffins]

I'm surprised that this Trumpism has so many likes! What a cynical view of the world! Ever heard of charity?

Good point. But if you look back at the post, MikeH was responding to the idea of free sex. The focus shouldn't be on just the cost, but the type of interaction. Some people don't want to have sex with strangers. Some people like sex with strangers, but paying for it is a big turnoff.

 

[MikeH]

I'm surprised that this Trumpism has so many likes! What a cynical view of the world! Ever heard of charity?

Maybe because it is true? At least it is way older than Trump. Yeah, I have heard about charity. How many charity fucks you have received during your adventures?

But I don't believe that view to be cynical; just practical. I think you might be reading too much into it (maybe the word paying is a bad choice, maybe trading would be better); in any case I don't regard paying for something (and money here is just one form of payment) to be a bad thing. Instead I believe trading is the way people normally conduct their lives.

So in the case of human interactions I believe I need to give something to the other party for him/her to be interested in continuing the interaction. I can do that by for example being interesting, funny, smart or handsome (at least the last two are not options for me in real life ) and if both parties think they receive more than they give then the relationship has good chances of continuing.

My favourite forms of charity are paying too much for p4p when I am visiting SE Asian countries, lending money interest free to Philippines through Kiva and feeding the stray kittens behind my house. All of these actions make me feel good and thus I am again trading and receiving more than I give. So no free lunches there either; even the kittens need to be small and look cute for their food.

 

[IronGiant]

Thanks for the review. I suspect some people have suspicions, so could you support your argument for points b and c?

Sure! Points (b) and (c) related to the way that Sinapse and Dorian Gray show genuine respect for, and interest in, women as human beings and not mere objects. So to illustrate this, here are some quotations from the book that Sinapse and Dorian Gray have just published (in no particular order):

It’s crucial to be able to see her not as a perfect human specimen—an object, if you will—but as a human being not so different from yourself. If you can relate to her in this way, she will feel as if you truly understand her—because you will!

Perhaps the most important part of this is not lashing out at girls when they reject you. A lot of men can’t handle the ego bruising and call the girl whose pants they wanted in not five seconds ago “bitch” or “slut”. In reality, this says nothing about the girl, and much more about them and their own fragility as men. Man up—this means accept responsibility for your thoughts, words, actions, and emotions.

Women want just as dearly as we do to meet someone who is attractive to them—bold, powerful yet respectful, a leader and a man in his prime. Approaching them is an opportunity not only for yourself, but for her as well! She wishes you were the man she has been waiting for her whole life. She wants you to be free of the mental baggage and creepy or boring thought patterns that result from viewing her as a strange object rather than the true, complex, flawed yet ultimately well-meaning human being she is.

On a personal note, I'll stress that this is not just lip service; they consistently demonstrate these attitudes in person also. Put simply, they're great guys.

100,000 yen seems like a lot for a bootcamp...Almost a month's rent.

It's an experience that I'll remember for the rest of my life. It led me to do things that I never would have done otherwise -- spending all night at a Roppongi club for the first time (at my age!), standing in the heat of an Omote-Sando afternoon -- with sweat pouring off of me -- and approaching woman after woman without a break.

The skills that Sinapse and Dorian Gray so casually demonstrate during the bootcamp can seem truly uncanny. On Sunday we engaged in an exercise where they would point at women walking by and we would have to approach immediately. (Side note: they did a great job of picking out the types of women who are likely to be attracted to me.) At one point, Sinapse pointed at a woman with a suitcase and said: "Pink skirt. Ask her if she's on her way home to Osaka now." So I asked her, and she was floored, because she was in fact on her way home to Osaka. Totally apart from how this makes it seem like Sinapse can read minds, this is a great example of how developing the ability to make a "cold read" of a woman's circumstances or mindset can turn a stranger into a friendly conversation partner within a matter of moments. That woman walked with me for more than fifteen minutes, all the way to Harajuku station.

he's gained a skillset and mindset that persists with him forever, should be choose to apply it. Hard for me to imagine it's overpriced. In fact, I think it's criminally undervalued.

You could charge double and it would be worth every penny. If P4P is "buying a man a fish and feeding him for a day," then the bootcamp is "teaching a man to fish and feeding him for a lifetime."

I believe the 100.000 boothcamp is a whole weekend

That is correct:

9 a.m. Friday to 5 a.m. Saturday
1 p.m. Saturday to midnight Saturday
9 a.m. Sunday to 6 p.m. Sunday
Total 28 hours of learning time, a great bargain​

But I think both p4p and nanpa is generally not accepted in western societies and quite much more accepted or at least tolerated in Asian countries, and maybe especially so in Japan.

Certainly, nanpa seems to be widely accepted here. Consider these Japanese-language articles for example:

https://matome.naver.jp/m/odai/2140223186880585301
http://kai-you.net/article/28474

These articles, aimed at women, list the "top" spots in Tokyo where women can go to get nanpa-ed. I went to one such spot last night with a friend and his girl, and while they were getting cuddly I approached two women together at a table and spoke to them for about half an hour. I got the LINE of the one I liked the best and we've been messaging throughout the day today. Before I took the bootcamp, I would never have done anything like that.

Can we listen to the other side too? Those who took your bootcamp but still can not make anything happen? What went wrong for them?

One very rewarding aspect of the Sinapse / Dorian Gray bootcamp was meeting so many of the "graduates" of previous bootcamps who dropped in to hang out and to help out, whether with advice, as wingmen, or by providing inspiration (such as by casually approaching a table of women across the room during our initial lecture meeting at a restaurant). It really makes you feel like part of a community. I have spoken to perhaps twenty bootcamp graduates at various times, and I have yet to meet anyone who was dissatisfied. Even this one especially shy guy I know who is a bootcamp graduate has nothing but good things to say about his bootcamp education, since it took him farther along the path toward conquering his shyness than he ever could have managed on his own.

 

[Sinapse]

Can we listen to the other side too? Those who took your bootcamp but still can not make anything happen?

What went wrong for them?

You would have to find them first. I'm not sure they exist, and if they do they are very quiet about it..

I imagine there are people who stop taking action.. Which in any pursuit doesn't lead you to success.. However what we teach does work, should you choose to implement it. But like a diet plan or personal training, if you don't take the action you may struggle to see improvement. And even among those who take no action after the camp there's a substantial amount who get girlfriends just from the weekend