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Wise words. I confirm the 5-6 per meet in my case too, and she’s model material as well (in fact some Japanese mistook her for a famous one and asked for her autograph :))
No time limit. And when SHE wants to come to my place , it’s free. Total bragging I know, but it’s true.
I hope your potential SB is open to negotiations...
She’s not! Very strict with her rules.
 
She told me that that was for 90 minutes.
Not that common but not unheard of. Some of the most expensive girls on TAG have had similar rates. In the Japanese market.. i think there may be some but really high class.

Its a bit weird for a sugar baby to make such time restrictions and also make difference between hotel time and lunch time instead of doing a total price for both, but that is of course because it was first meant to be social only.

Sugar baby is generally about chilling out and not watching the time so much but its usually one pop only, at least that was my experience as an SB.
 
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I have found that some potential Japanese sugar babies seem to approach it from a Deai negotiation perspective. I have gotten the "XXX JPY for Y hours for lunch/dinner with me" message before. I mostly ignore them after that. In fact, a girl a couple days ago asked for 20,000 for our first lunch / dinner date. I told her I'd prefer to meet her before we move forward on that and she offered to give me an hour of her time for an initial meet up.
 
The diversity of intentions for seeing an escort, SB etc. still fascinate me so this is hard to answer for me. It depends on what you’re looking for, and your budget of course. People spend 1000-2000 dollars for a single girl in hostess clubs and there are no sexual favors involved. I personally had clients pay my “private time” rate “just” to cuddle and talk. It was what they needed at the time. Some people seek a deeper connection and are timid to share more than physical intimacy.

If I was a man of good financial condition, I wouldn’t mind spending on the right person, as long as she is not devoid of wholesomeness.

And. Guess what... the girls who get $1000-2000 for emotional connection may even deserve it. Much harder to do. I can get the PSE / GFE experience whatever you call it for whatever you charge. But a lady who really GETS her client, that’s priceless in my book. I feel insanely lucky I found her for much less. So yeah, she gets the occasional Dior bag or 1st class vacation , coz she deserves it.
 
I guess thats it. Wine might be one of the better comparisons. Most people cant taste the difference between 300 dollar wine and 3000 dollar wine. I know I cant.

That's a related point but not exactly the same one I was making. Not being able to tell the difference is one thing (your point) and not caring much or at all about the difference is another (my point).

A couple of more examples, where I'm in the "cheap" customer category this time: cars and clothes. I could afford to spend at least a few times more than I actually spend on cars and clothes, but I choose not to do so simply because the extra cost wouldn't buy me anything that matters significantly to me. It is not that I cannot see and understand the difference between, say, a $25,000 car and a $75,000 one; it is simply that cars don't interest me beyond their basic function of taking me from one place to another reasonably efficiently, comfortably and safely. They are not much different from elevators in my mind, just metal boxes where you wait until you are where you wanted to go.

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But, and here's a big difference. I don't think or tell people who buy $75,000 cars that they are fools or are being ripped off, and I don't bash companies that sell $75,000 cars for overcharging their customers. I understand that the extra $50,000 costs and buys something that other people care about even if I don't.

-Ww
 
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I can get what I want for so much less....

Another important point from your post made bold. Paying the lowest possible price, or at least close to it, for the same thing/service is very important to some people. They feel ripped off if they somehow end up paying more. @Frenchy always seemed particularly worried about this aspect and probably still is.

Other people don't care all that much if the same thing is available for less as long as whatever they bought is worth whatever they paid (or more) *to them*. Others still may care more about convenience or minimizing the time they put into making the purchase. I value my time pretty highly and care a lot about that aspect compared to most people, as far as I can judge.

-Ww
 
I think those are pretty different priorities to be honest.
Accommodation is the first thing i cheap out on and i really dont like my money going to some multi millionair Hilton owner just so i can sleep in a fancy room. If i travel for sightseeing i am good with a hostel or something simple. If i really travel to relax i would consider a resort, but maybe in a place where its cheaper, or during off season. 5 star hotels in Tokyo are only worth it if someone’s work/someone else pays for it in my personal opinion.

However, giving that same money to an individual who you are about and who gives you a very personal and intimate experience is something different to me. Personally thats something i have a higher budget for than hotels.

This just makes my point about different people caring about different things. Some people can hardly enjoy touring and sightseeing if they don't feel comfortable and even pampered in their lodgings...getting good sleep, convenient dining options and not fussing with normal domestic chores etc. And for sure some people do and some people don't care whether their money is going to some rich person/people/corporation vs a deserving Individual. Such considerations never even cross some people's minds but are critical to others.

Even the same person can care about different things at different points in their lives or in different circumstances. When I was your age, I felt pretty much the same way about lodgings. Now, in my old age, I care a lot more about the small creature comforts on which luxury hotels do a better job than cheap ones.

One thing on which nearly everyone might agree though is that having someone else pay for your stay in a Tokyo 5-star hotel is an ideal solution. :D

-Ww
 
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Its a bit weird for a sugar baby to make such time restrictions and also make difference between hotel time and lunch time instead of doing a total price for both, but that is of course because it was first meant to be social only.

Sugar baby is generally about chilling out and not watching the time so much but its usually one pop only, at least that was my experience as an SB.

That is NOT an SB in my book. Just a very expensive escort. She could be worth it (though in my experience once u hit $300/hr and up it gets hard to discern the difference) but she is not an SB and you won’t be happy if u try to pretend she is.

Although there are a good number of SBs on SA and other sugar sites who take such an approach (strict time limits with fixed fees and such), I agree with @User#8628 and @steve969696 that it is so close to escorting that it hardly makes sense to call it sugaring; it becomes a distinction without a difference, as they say. If you, @Jackindabox, are looking for a real (if limited) personal relationship in the sugar bowl, then I too think you should take a pass on this SB even if she wanted half or a third as much per date. She's just not selling what you want to buy, from the sound of it.

Concerning the part of Alice's post I made bold, I think there is a close relationship between the two aspects of sugaring she mentions. The fact that a sugar couple tends to spend extended periods of time together on a regular, often frequent, basis means there is a lot less pressure to get as many pops into a date as possible compared to seeing an escort where the customer is paying by the hour or whatever. I don't think multiple pops are that unusual on sugar dates (especially for my SBs!! ;)), but they tend to happen more like they do in conventional dating rather than because the guy is trying to get his money's worth.

-Ww
 
That's a related point but not exactly the same one I was making. Not being able to tell the difference is one thing (your point) and not caring much or at all about the difference is another (my point).

A couple of more examples, where I'm in the "cheap" customer category this time: cars and clothes. I could afford to spend at least a few times more than I actually spend on cars and clothes, but I choose not to do so simply because the extra cost wouldn't buy me anything that matters significantly to me. It is not that I cannot see and understand the difference between, say, a $25,000 car and a $75,000 one; it is simply that cars don't interest me beyond their basic function of taking me from one place to another reasonably efficiently, comfortably and safely. They are not much different from elevators in my mind, just metal boxes where you wait until you are where you wanted to go.

Similar comments for clothes and fashion.

But, and here's a big difference. I don't think or tell people who buy $75,000 cars that they are fools or are being ripped off, and I don't bash companies that sell $75,000 cars for overcharging their customers. I understand that the extra $50,000 costs and buys something that other people care about even if I don't.

-Ww
I do get the difference between knowing the difference and caring about the difference. When it comes to escorts though, like wine, I reserve the right to be critical of the idiots who pay way out at the tail of the bell curve in either direction. Both ends represent bad price performance even if the consumer knows the difference. A four dollar bottle of Romanian red wine is really, really terrible. If you can’t afford 15 dollar wine, drink water. 3000 dollar wine, even if you fully understand the wine in question, is rarely going to be significantly better than 2000 wine. There is no argument for caring in these cases. Not in my walnut-sized mind anyway.
 
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I do get the difference between knowing the difference and caring about the difference. When it comes to escorts though, like wine, I reserve the right to be critical of the idiots who pay way out at the tail of the bell curve in either direction. Both ends represent bad price performance even if the consumer knows the difference. A four dollar bottle of Romanian red wine is really, really terrible. If you can’t afford 15 dollar wine, drink water. 3000 dollar wine, even if you fully understand the wine is rarely going to be significantly better than 2000 wine. There is no argument for caring in these cases. Not in my walnut-sized mind anyway.

I partially agree with you that purchases at extreme ends, upscale or down, of a market are more likely to be due to bad/foolish decisions than those at roughly typical prices. However, there can be and often are good reasons for choosing the most extreme prices, depending on what the person cares about. To pursue your example, a homeless alcoholic does not buy wine for its taste or any other quality except its alcohol content. He/she simply wants to get as much ethyl alcohol per dollar (or yen or whatever) as possible. Nothing else matters for such a person's purposes. Rotgut wine is the right choice for him/her.

-Ww
 
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I have the impression we did this conversation countless times already...
In the end of the day it’s really about services being worth their price or not. Maybe OP’s companion’s time is really worth (to him) what she plans to charge... maybe it’s a rip-off and she will be a dead fish in bed, but he has no way to know in advance
What else can we say, really? .
 
I partially agree with you that purchases at extreme ends, upscale or down, of a market are more likely to be due to bad/foolish decisions than those at roughly typical prices. However, there can be and often are good reasons for choosing the most extreme prices, depending on what the person cares about. To pursue your example, a homeless alcoholic does not buy wine for its taste or any other quality except its alcohol content. He/she simply wants to get as much ethyl alcohol per dollar (or yen or whatever) as possible. Nothing else matters for such a person's purposes. Rotgut wine is the right choice for him/her.

-Ww
That would be buying drugs not buying wine. And drugs, the addictive ones like alcohol anyway, have nearly zero price elasticity. There is no price performance discussion. The addict is forced to buy the cheapest wine with the highest alcohol content. I was talking about wine. I guess to continue our escort discussion, it would be the equivalent of happy hinomaru. Not really enjoyable sex at all, but a release of sorts and the subsequent changed mental state.
 
That would be buying drugs not buying wine. And drugs, the addictive ones like alcohol anyway, have nearly zero price elasticity. There is no price performance discussion. The addict is forced to buy the cheapest wine with the highest alcohol content. I was talking about wine. I guess to continue our escort discussion, it would be the equivalent of happy hinomaru. Not really enjoyable sex at all, but a release of sorts and the subsequent changed mental state.

OK, fair enough. The distinction is merely and somewhat weirdly/unconventionally semantic (i.e., defining the word "wine" by the buyer's motivation instead of any property of the beverage itself), but I see what you mean and have no serious quibble with it.

-Ww
 
Yeah, it simply comes down to if I want to part with $1300 dollars on an SB who I don’t really feel wants to give you that gf part of the SB dating arrangement. On the other hand, she’s well travelled and well versed in many topics. That I can see is worth the dinner date price. On the other hand, I’m not sure 90 minutes and parting with the money she wants is worth it. One red flag is that she said she’s not interested in sex or sex talk at some point, but she understood that it would be something I wanted. This was her response after I asked her what she liked or didn’t like about sex. Doggy style was forbidden because she said she had had a bad experience before and didn’t want to go through it again. No oral and no touching her stuff with my fingers since I asked her if she likes massages. She even said she had skin allergies. Then abruptly she said she had to go meet her friends. We are still talking.

The next date is scheduled for this Sunday. So far she is still interested in meeting at the hotel I proposed. We are skipping the dinner. I guess I should do like a fool does and take one for the team to find out if she’s worth the expense and at times apprehensive behavior about sex talk. One might think she’s been abused or something. I think I’ll just do it and see what happens. I’ll report back. Ha ha!

Thanks for all the comments and I really appreciate it. I don’t mind paying if she’s worth the trouble. I’m not new to SD arrangements, but I’ve never paid so much for a service like this unless the person was connected or so rare in physical looks that they played the men well.

One another note, I looked at AM prices and it states that they have dinner dates. It seems cheaper and more or less a longer time for fooling around. Perhaps I should go that direction instead. So who’s the most conversationally polished in their lineup? I prefer drinkers and tal
 
That is NOT an SB in my book. Just a very expensive escort. She could be worth it (though in my experience once u hit $300/hr and up it gets hard to discern the difference) but she is not an SB and you won’t be happy if u try to pretend she is.
I kinda think she’s not an SB and an escort by the way in which she says stuff if you talk about sex.
 
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And. Guess what... the girls who get $1000-2000 for emotional connection may even deserve it. Much harder to do. I can get the PSE / GFE experience whatever you call it for whatever you charge. But a lady who really GETS her client, that’s priceless in my book. I feel insanely lucky I found her for much less. So yeah, she gets the occasional Dior bag or 1st class vacation , coz she deserves it.
Hello! You must be the SD King!
 
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Another important point from your post made bold. Paying the lowest possible price, or at least close to it, for the same thing/service is very important to some people. They feel ripped off if they somehow end up paying more. @Frenchy always seemed particularly worried about this aspect and probably still is.

Other people don't care all that much if the same thing is available for less as long as whatever they bought is worth whatever they paid (or more) *to them*. Others still may care more about convenience or minimizing the time they put into making the purchase. I value my time pretty highly and care a lot about that aspect compared to most people, as far as I can judge.

-Ww
I only feel ripped off if I am being used or treated like an ATM. I’d rather be liked than tolerated as they say.
 
The diversity of intentions for seeing an escort, SB etc. still fascinate me so this is hard to answer for me. It depends on what you’re looking for, and your budget of course. People spend 1000-2000 dollars for a single girl in hostess clubs and there are no sexual favors involved. I personally had clients pay my “private time” rate “just” to cuddle and talk. It was what they needed at the time. Some people seek a deeper connection and are timid to share more than physical intimacy.

If I was a man of good financial condition, I wouldn’t mind spending on the right person, as long as she is not devoid of wholesomeness.
No one minds spending if it’s beneficial! I’m not sure that this will benefit me. So I look for guidance.
 
For a guy who had the goal to match a fellow monger’s goal of spending x amount of dollars on exotic women, I could say it wouldn’t hurt my financials one bit, but that’s not my concern. It’s when you get that gut feeling that says this is trouble, but your carnal desires say you want to have sex with this one no matter the risk. I say risk and that’s the vibe that she gave me. I’m not sure I should be so open, but it’s better to just let it all out there.
 
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Yeah, it simply comes down to if I want to part with $1300 dollars on an SB who I don’t really feel wants to give you that gf part of the SB dating arrangement. On the other hand, she’s well travelled and well versed in many topics. That I can see is worth the dinner date price. On the other hand, I’m not sure 90 minutes and parting with the money she wants is worth it. One red flag is that she said she’s not interested in sex or sex talk at some point, but she understood that it would be something I wanted. This was her response after I asked her what she liked or didn’t like about sex. Doggy style was forbidden because she said she had had a bad experience before and didn’t want to go through it again. No oral and no touching her stuff with my fingers since I asked her if she likes massages. She even said she had skin allergies. Then abruptly she said she had to go meet her friends. We are still talking.

The next date is scheduled for this Sunday. So far she is still interested in meeting at the hotel I proposed. We are skipping the dinner. I guess I should do like a fool does and take one for the team to find out if she’s worth the expense and at times apprehensive behavior about sex talk. One might think she’s been abused or something. I think I’ll just do it and see what happens. I’ll report back. Ha ha!

Thanks for all the comments and I really appreciate it. I don’t mind paying if she’s worth the trouble. I’m not new to SD arrangements, but I’ve never paid so much for a service like this unless the person was connected or so rare in physical looks that they played the men well.

One another note, I looked at AM prices and it states that they have dinner dates. It seems cheaper and more or less a longer time for fooling around. Perhaps I should go that direction instead. So who’s the most conversationally polished in their lineup? I prefer drinkers and tal

Hmmmmm... there are quite a few red flags here indeed, re. her attitude with sex
 
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