Sexually Transmitted Disease (std) Talk

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  1. Solong

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    I'm being quoted out of context. Transplanting the arguments don't quite work. Why?

    1. There are other diseases besides HIV. While I agree the odds of catching HIV orally is mathematically low, there are others like Herpes, Hepatitis, TB, etc...

    The totality of the risk means that to be cautious is wise, particularly when there is no accountability. A long time mistress, girlfriend, or wife is more likely to have a vested interest in your well being, while random P4P providers may not give a damn.

    With that stated, a girlfriend or wife can betray your trust and unprotectedly cheat on you, where a P4P provider could actually be safer, more upfront, and more honest. So it depends.

    2. Trust and reputation have just as much to do with it, as playing the odds.

    You are putting your safety in the hands of someone else. We don't usually hitchhike and ask just anybody to pick us up, but rather we go to licensed and well known taxi companies. If we get injured in the taxi, we can contact them and sue. We hold the taxi companies accountable for their drivers, and consequently, taxi companies try to uphold their reputations and get the public's trust.

    If a person has unprotected sex with unknown P4P providers, whose reputation and history is unknown, then they can possibly be at greater risk. The P4P has no vested interest to protect their safety and could possibly pass on a disease, then turn their back on the customer(s).

    Keep in mind, that I think P4P who are known in the industry, care about their reputation, and are out to give a high level of service are different. It's the difference of getting picked up by a licensed taxi driver of a well known company versus a random unknown driver.

    3. Sex with anybody presents a risk, so it's a matter of what level of risk is acceptable to the person.

    In a worse case scenario, a P4P provider with an STD doesn't want everybody to know their name and having customers trying to hold them accountable. There are many low quality and seedy places and people that clearly don't give a damn about the health of the customer.

    If a guy is going to take the risk of unprotected sex, it should arguably be with those that he feels the level of risk is acceptable.

    Would you have unprotected oral sex with a dirty street lady that smelled bad? If no, then why not? Most likely because the risk was considered unacceptable.

    Usually, if people take a risk, it's going to be with those they trust or those that have a reputation for being trustworthy.
     
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    My apologies for removing the discussion from its context. Fwiiw, I don't agree with the board policy of "isolating" discussions of safe sex issues in this single thread, but it's not my board to run, so I was trying to follow the announced policy.

    Indeed there are a bunch of others, all or nearly all of them far more prevalent and easily transmissible than HIV, though mostly less serious in their health consequences. It is also important to keep in mind that the effectiveness of condoms in preventing transmission of other diseases is typically much less well studied than for HIV and that condoms have little if any effectiveness for some (e.g., TB...which is quite a serious disease, though not usually classified as an STD).

    Sexual participation in a highly promiscuous community, p4p or otherwise (such as the "swinging" community), carries significant disease (and other) risks, period. It also carries substantial pleasures. Use of condoms reduces but does not eliminate both the dangers and the pleasures. So, as you say:

    As students say, is this a trick question?? My answer would be "no, neither protected nor unprotected...because of the bad odor!"

    Well, I don't have any statistics and can't imagine there being any, but I am certainly aware of a good number of active mongers who strongly prefer BB oral and get it whenever they can. In fact, I am aware of a bunch who simply won't see providers who don't provide it. And these guys definitely do not limit themselves to only the best well-known, established, reputable, upscale etc providers; they play all over the market. So, maybe what you say is "usually" true; I don't know one way or the other. But it definitely isn't even close to always being the case.

    -Ww
     
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    o@Ww

    Though there isn't any data that I know of on it, I believe men ONLY recieving oral is safer than them giving oral to a P4P provider. Why?

    1. A customer that ONLY receives oral is reducing the possibility of transmission towards half.

    When he goes to lick her out, the possibility of encountering something could double mathematically.

    2. The vagina obviously secrets massive amounts of fluids.

    A penis and a vagina are just different. When a male customer puts his face into a P4P vagina, fluids can travel all over his face and in his mouth. This isn't as much the case with a penis.

    3. The condition of a P4P's mouth and face are usually more obvious. The customer is often staring directly at it before sex.

    This doesn't mean she can't have anything orally, but it makes it more difficult for her to hide problems.

    4. A P4P provider must obviously use their mouth to eat too, so are naturally FORCED to be more protective of it.

    Many P4P providers know to use mouthwash after oral sex and clean the penis prior to performing it. And mouthwash (in addition to saliva) can provide protection, even if the customer ejaculates in her mouth.

    On the otherhand, customers doing oral sex on P4P providers are less likely to take precautions.

    They didn't wash the vagina, the vagina is secreting lots of fluids anyway, and many guys may not be using mouthwash afterwards. Even if they do, vaginal fluids could have contacted shaving cuts, got into their eyes (also by hand to eye). There is also customers exposing themselves by very prolonged and repeated oral contact during the session.

    My argument, from the other thread, is that cunnilingus creates more risk to the customer and should possibly be avoided unless he trusts the woman. I understand guys may enjoy doing it (and I do myself), but I'm saying doing it with a trustworthy person versus a random P4P provider are different levels of risk.

    And I also think that many guys, who are the paying customer, might want to be the focus of satisfaction versus the other way around. Many guys don't see a paid P4P provider as being the same as a girlfriend, though this depends and many relationships are different. Definitely care if girlfriends get an orgasm, but the nature of the exchange with a P4P provider would usually be different.
     
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    As an aside and a speculation, I suspect that the reason oral sex is so relatively safe in general is that your mouth and gastrointestinal system are the single most heavily "defended" (by your immune system) entrance way to your body for the simple evolutionary reason that under natural conditions humans, and indeed all the chain of animal species from which we evolved, introduce a constant stream of germ laden material (food) into our/their bodies by that route.

    -Ww
     
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    Re: Sumata

    Have any of you caught anything from doing it? I haven`t so far and thought it was pretty safe regarding HIV. I got a physical recently and I told the doctor that I had, done sumata with no condom.
    (For Newbies to Japan: Sumata is when you rub your penis on the woman`s pussy. You do not penetrate. You use lube.) I figured with the lube and it being outer course that the danger of getting HIV was nil.
    My thinking was that the virus would be exposed to the air so it would die quickly, plus with a bit of lube, that would dilute things a bit etc. Not the ideal situation for spreading HIV in other words.

    However, my doctor in Tokyo says no; there is a chance. But a small one. He said if you have a cut and she has a cut from the rubbing, or if it is the start or finish of her period then you could get it from her blood.
    This of course is assuming she has HIV. If she doesn`t, no danger. He went on to say that he regards sumata as the same thing us unprotected sex (intercourse). That shocked me. I think he too believes that you
    can get HIV from an uncovered BJ.

    I searched the internet for more information and most experts say no one has gotten HIV from sumata. In North America
    it is often described as frottage and then the person goes on to explain that he rubbed his penis on the woman`s pussy - so it is sumata as we call it in Japan.

    A famous AIDs information site in Canada says that no one has ever been documented to have gotten HIV from sumata (penis to pussy rubbing frottage). Another famous site called The Body, says the same. Both of the aforementioned sites say the risk of catching HIV from sumata is negligeable. A doctor in my family said the same, but that theoretically it was possible to get HIV from sumata. I`m trying to reassure myself. I am still pretty new to all this P4P stuff. And sometimes I stray out of my comfort zone and regret it. I got a one month HIV test -negative! Hurray! Will get tested again at three months. I didn`t catch anything actually. I`m in good health!

    I guess I am wondering why there is this discrepancy between health experts? But like everything else in life, people will have different opinions on it.

    I`ve had 16 months of BJ uncovered and never caught a thing. And yes I have been tested in that time, twice. I think for me, in future though, to give me peace of mind, I need to be covered for everything, even though I know that doesn`t prevent
    certain diseases. Or stay out of this hobby totally if it is going to cause me more grief than pleasure. As some have said here, you take a risk anytime you get into a car or even walk down the street, or step into your bathroom (the most dangerous room in your home) according to studies of where people die in their house.

    I`m not sure I suit this hobby. I`m not very good at denial and I tend to worry. Not good combinations.

    My Question: Have you ever gotten anything from doing sumata without a condom? If so what did you catch? What are the chances of getting HIV from a Japanese Deli Health girl in Tokyo from doing sumata uncovered in your opinion?
     
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    @Bob

    I don't understand your need to rub your bare penis on a wet vagina of a prostitute. It's about the same as having sex with no condoms.

    The vaginal juices of a prostitute can have STDs. Better to use a condom OR have her give you a BJ. Her mouth is less likely to infect you with something than her vagina.
     
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    Solong I agree with you. The key question for me is can you get HIV from sumata? And if so, what are the chances?
     
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    The reason is that it is virtually impossible to get meaningful data on such things. Think about it; how would you go about getting the data needed to answer re HIV transmission rates via sumata?

    You cannot, obviously, do controlled experiments in which people are given or might get a fatal disease...or any serious disease at all. It would be unethical, immoral and (almost everywhere) illegal.

    All you can do is to survey some large sample of people about their sex practices and observe the incidence of HIV infections. But such large samples contain few if any people who only have a single sexual practice, so how do you tell which one transmitted the disease? Suppose you can find some couples that only do sumata, kissing and intercourse with a condom, and suppose that you have a huge enough sample that there are some meaningful number of cases of HIV transmission in the population (which will be a really really big sample since most people don't have it and since transmission by any of those activities is really rare). You still don't know whether the transmissions were by sumata or kissing or condom failures or some unknown combination of them. Or maybe some of them were lying when you surveyed them and occasionally did anal or unprotected intercourse (maybe when they were both drunk or on special occasions). Then there are "confounding factors", meaning that not everyone does a given sexual practice the same way, not everyone is equally susceptible, not everyone has an equally strong immune system and so forth.

    In other words, short of very strictly controlled experimentation on human beings that would kill some of them, the data to get a clear answer to your question cannot be obtained.

    So, it comes down to the opinion of experts...and, as we all know, opinions vary.

    There's one thing of which I think you can be quite sure, namely that you run far far greater risks of contracting serious and/or fatal diseases without giving them a thought than it is remotely conceivable you run of catching HIV from unprotected sumata. For example, any idea how many people die per year from food poisoning?

    -Ww
     
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    Yes, IF she is infected, because vaginal juices can carry STDs. Not just HIV, but possibly many others.

    However, HIV is hard to catch, even with bare sexual penetration. But that is a game of Russian Roulette. You can't ever be sure that your "number is up". The point though is:

    1) You are dealing with a prostitute who is likely servicing a high volume of different men. Increased statistical risk.

    2) You have no idea what her STD status is. You can't usually verify it by calling the doctor, clinic, or looking at the results and knowing that is for her.

    3) She is NOT in a committed relationship with you, so may have NO concern for your health. A prostitute with HIV may NOT care or even WANT to INFECT you. There are cases where heartless people intentionally try to infect as many other people as possible. They are going to die soon, so want many others to join them.

    Also keep in mind that for a prostitute, that is possibly her MAIN source of income. Even if she has HIV or a STD, she might STILL try to WORK. Which is why prostitution should arguably be made legal, to enforce health checks, to maintain a license.

    4) If a prostitute infects you with a STD, she can DENY and BLOCK you from getting her tested. In fact, her male or gang related protection can beat the crap out of you for "harassing" her or even asking a question.

    At the end of the day, she is in a business. And if you are interfering with the money in the business, you will bring heat down on yourself.

    If you want to risk bareback, arguably this would be better with a Sugarbaby or REAL girlfriend. Because:

    1) You would be seeing them often.

    This also helps you understand her sexual habits, visually check her health and vagina, and get indicators of trust.

    2) They are arguably in a relationship where they care about you and your health.

    This is arguably the GREATEST protection that you have, after her wanting to protect herself. It's her NOT wanting to infect or be shamed in front of people that know her very well. Usually nobody wants to FACE and be the blame for giving their wife/husband or girlfriend/boyfriend a STD.

    3) You know their REAL name and where they really LIVE, so can contact them personally if you were found to have a STD.

    Fear of angry lovers coming to the house, being sued in court, and even jail time for passing HIV is a deterrent to regular people.

    4) You can ask them to take a STD test AND verify their results.
     
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    OMG, so much discussion on this so old problem, but wihtout any new info, I am afraid.
    Bottom line is that whatever you do, whichever way you do it, and whoever you do it, there will be a risk of something....

    The only zero risk policy is total abstinence, even with your wife/GF, since you cannot be sure of what she is up to while you are away..

    Having said that, each of us has a behavior in relation with his own beliefs, needs and paranoia.
    Some of us don't mind going BB in all aspects, at least in Japan, since the rate of HIV is very low, and they believe that most other STDs are easily treatable. Other don't do anything uncovered, to minimise risks of any STDs. And most others do abit of both, that is allowing BBBj but not BBFS, sumata, etc...
    My own opinion is that sumata is far less risky than BBFS, since HIV is essentially transmitted by blood contact. The STD virus, possibly found in vaginal secretions will not resist long, and will only be transmitted to the man if there is blood contact. Blood contact is more likely to happen in normal vaginal intercourse since banging can create some tears, and therefore some blood contact..
    But as I said this is MY view. So I behave according to it, that is yes to BBBJ, yes to sumata, no to BBFS...
    Attitude to sex, and more sepcifically to paid sex has more to do with the individual's beliefs than with any scientific knowledge..

    Cheers to all, and keep safe...
     
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    I`ve done a bit of research on this, and as Wwanderer has said it is difficult or impossible to get concrete facts based on the question. But several sites that are expert on HIV transmission, state that unprotected vaginal intercourse by a man with a woman
    from a 1st world country - the man has about a 1 out of 2500th chance of contracting HIV if she is HIV positive. If you assume that 1% of the providers in Japan have HIV (Japan`s HIV rate) is very low. Less than 1% overall. So if you assume
    1% for, for example deli health ladies, then you are looking at at 1 / 250,000th chance of contracting HIV from a one off encounter of unprotected intercourse. I would say sumata has even less as the virus must survive outside the body. So I predict
    1 / 300,000th or more based on that. 10,000 people a year die in car accidents in Japan. Based on the population of 127,000,000, then your chances in any year of living in Japan of dying while in a car is about:
    1/ 12,700. I often drive.

    I realized through all of this, was my paranoia is related to the stigma of having HIV. It is interesting. If someone else has it, I hear about it on the news or somehow. I feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    But were I to ever get it, I would find it very embarrassing to have to admit that to anyone. There was a recent article about this at Salon.com

    It took me a while to realize this and I appreciate the answers. I think it is tough to get straight answers as some health professionals have an agenda - which is to keep people safe by scaring them into safe behaviour.

    The fact is I would rather die of cancer (which I have a much greater chance of getting) than HIV. I realize that the stigma of it is what scares me the most.
     
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    I understand your point, but I think it is an over reaction in modern Western like societies. Dying of cancer may get you sympathy at the cemetery, but I would rather survive with HIV, even if a small minority of silly people gives me dirty look...
    I, though, agree that the issue of HIV, and actually also the issue of contracting ANY STDs is perceived differently by those having a regular relationship and those who don't. Even the mildest fo all STDs, gonorrhea, which can be treated easily by a single pill, can be an issue if you have to explain to your GF/wife why she has to take it as well.. So obviously, having to ask just out of the vblue your parner to take an HIV test just , is not an enticing perspective.
     
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    @Bob

    Your math can be off due to numerous variables. For instance, a prostitute is far more likely to encounter and catch HIV than the general population. It's a work hazard. Suppose she is menstruating unexpectedly or just starting to.

    Also there are other diseases such as TB, Herpes, and Hepatitis. TB and Hepatitis can kill you faster than HIV. These are also diseases of increased risk when dealing with prostitutes of unknown health or who might be hiding health problems.

    Be clear that when you are gambling, you can never say when your number is up. Like women getting pregnant the first time they ever had sex. Unlikely, but the unexpected can happen. And the odds go up per each unprotected encounter. 1x isn't the same as regular habit and like 100x over 5 years.
     
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    I had a not regular girlfriend (sex like 2x a month), not too long ago, who asked me to take an STD test. Pissed me off, because I have more regular girlfriends who I do NOT want to give (or they to me) anything. No way would it go over well with my main girlfriend, because that's an outright loss of trust in our relationship. She is on the pill, so we do it raw.

    Turns out the other girl caught Chlamydia. I was like, "How would I catch it through a condom? (always used condoms with her)" But OK, I'm with getting tested. So found out I was negative. She confessed AFTERWARDS, crying, that she had 2 other boyfriends that could have gave it to her.

    As I was the only foreigner boyfriend and those guys Japanese, she was going to pin the blame on me. However, when I came back NEGATIVE, her game was blown. And it's a bullcrap game that some Japanese play, where they say Japanese never have STDs and only foreigners do. Japanese guys tell this to Japanese women so they don't have to use condoms and they like it raw. Actually, Korea is even more into not using condoms than Japan. Nevertheless...

    She was a good looking woman that I hated to let go, but screw that, dropped her like a very bad habit. She put me and others in danger.

    Relationships are based on TRUST and CARE for each other, plus honesty... If you lose that, you have nothing.

    Prostitutes care about MONEY, not the health of the customer. It's up to the CUSTOMER to protect himself AND his wife/girlfriends. If you care about the wife/girlfriend, you would want to protect them too.

    Same for prostitutes too. Suppose she is married or has a real boyfriend, he certainly would want her to pass him random diseases.
     
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    HIV is not a realistic concern for white, heterosexual men who are not IV drug users.

    The propaganda that you're wrong for stating " it couldn't happen to me" is designed to get you to give a damn ( and thus pay for) a disease that doesn't affect you.

    There have been many instances hetero men who tested positive admitted to homosexual activity once lie detector tests were admitted.

    But even discounting that, the tiny number of cases wouldn't be enough by themselves to justify mainstream societal fear. That's when the activists trot out the "95 percent of HIV is caused by heterosexual sex," they are also misleading people.

    1. As brutal a truth as it is, non- Africans shouldn't worry about this. Africans have a health profile that is night and day to that of a western male. They are more susceptible to damn near everything EXCEPT malaria, an evolutionary adaption so intense as to limit the development of resistances in other areas.

    2. The large majority of men in some African countries, and particularly among miners, use anal sex as birth control, and many also have homosexual relationships when away from home.

    Having been a mercenary for some time there, I have to say I have absolutely no fear of AIDS now. I wouldn't ever go bb with an escort, but that's due to the many other STDs that are more likely to serve as a problem.
     
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    Some here have said we should be more concerned about other STDs or other diseases, much more than HIV. Many in Japan and Asia in general have
    Hep B or C.


    Some Japanese in their 40s and older have tested positive for Hepatitis C. Especially those in their 50s right now and older - the thinking is that they contracted it as children when they were innoculated.

    At the time, Japan was very poor, and communities didn`t have enough funds to use fresh syringes, so shots were given with unsterilized syringes shared by many people -- so unfortunately I know of two people in my community who have tested positive for C.


    "Figures from epidemiological studies in different regions of the world show wide variance in HCV prevalence patterns, though it is clearly evident that the incidence of HCV is higher among less developed nations. The prevalence of hepatitis C is lowest in Northern European countries, including Great Britain, Germany and France. According to one survey, the prevalence of HCV antibodies in blood donors averages less than 1% for the region. (However, other studies have suggested that rates of infection may be much higher, comparable to rates in the U.S. - approximately 2.5%). Higher rates have been reported in Southeast Asian countries, including India (1.5%), Malaysia (2.3%), and the Philipines (2.3%). The incidence in Japan was 1.2%. Alarming rates were reported for many African nations, reaching as high as 14.5% in Egypt." http://www.epidemic.org/thefacts/theepidemic/worldPrevalence/


    The Hepatitis C Epidemic: A 15-Year Government Cover-up(2002)

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798267/

    "Over 2 millions Japanese have been infected by the Hepatitis C epidemic, and each year over 3,0000 of them lose their lives to it. Through interviews with victims of this disease, Fuji TV sheds a light on "fibrinogen," a blood-clotting agent that had been kept away in the dark. Both the Japanese government and pharmaceutical companies say that the Fibrinogen used in the 1980's no longer exists. But we discovered it in a hospital located in the country, and tested its genetic level. The tests revealed for the first time that the drug in fact was contaminated with the hepatitis C virus. When this program was aired, those infected with Hepatitis C by the blood-clotting agent filed a class action suit against both the government and pharmaceutical companies. "Written byFuji-TV




    In one case I know that her husband did not contract Hep C from her in spite of having sex with her for a couple of decades. They didn`t know she had Hep
    C until she was in her 40s. Another student of mine discovered he had it in his 60s.

    My medical relative said once that it is difficult to get it from sex unless it is anal sex. And Web MD seems to agree:

    " Experts are not sure if you can get hepatitis C through sexual contact. If there is a risk of getting the virus through sexual contact, it is very small. The risk is higher if you have many sex partners. "

    http://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/hepc-guide/hepatitis-c-what-increases-your-risk


    A friend claimed he got it from a blowjob from his Indonesian girlfriend, but my relative said that was a bunch of crap. He probably had anal sex, either with her or perhaps even Gay sex, but he didn`t want to admit it to me.

    My Tokyo doctor seems to think you can get it from sex. But many sources seem to think it is difficult to get it that way. But I`m sure not impossible.

    So let`s be safe out there!

    My friend was in the hospital for a couple of months, lost tons of weight and nearly died. Hep C is not one you want to get.

    Others of course can go on and not even know they have contracted it. So it seems to depend on the person.



    You can get hepatitis C from:
    • Sharing needles and other equipment (such as cotton, spoons, and water) used to inject drugs.
    • Having your ears or another body part pierced, getting a tattoo, or having acupuncture with needles that have not been sterilized properly. The risk of getting hepatitis C in these ways is very low.
    • Working in a health care environment where you are exposed to fresh blood or where you may be pricked with a used needle. Following standard precautions for health care workers makes this risk very low.
     
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    Caution is needed, as being White isn't a shield from HIV.

    1) It is possible to contract HIV, irregardless of your race or sexual preference, IF the person you have sex with is infected.

    If a White man has sex with an HIV infected woman, he is statistically almost as likely to catch it as any other race.

    1B) We should not conflate genetic immunology with overal health and wealth.

    Whites are, on average, healthier than Africans due to better DIET and HIGHER INCOME.

    This does NOT mean you are genetically immune from catching a disease.

    Even with lower odds, why would a White man play Russian roulette with a prostitute he doesn't know? Especially if he has a girlfriend, wife, or kids.

    2) White men are as equally likely to be as bisexual or homosexual as any other group. Homosexuality and bisexuality is not limited to only Africans.

    This means the other Whites we are giving advice to, are as likely to be engaging in homosexual or bisexual behavior as any African.

    3) I agree that many religious groups and others created mass hysteria in regards to HIV. However, HIV isn't the only disease out there to worry about. There is Herpes, TB, Hepatitis, and the rest...
     
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    @Bob Johnson

    I'm very suspicious of statistics reported in Japan, due to the politics and nationalism.

    Anything that might make Japan look bad internationally, has a tendency to be underreported or straight up lied about.

    I suspect the STD and Hepatitis rates for Japan to be much higher than is often reported, and lots of cover ups we don't know about.
     
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    "At the time, Japan was very poor, and communities didn`t have enough funds to use fresh syringes, so shots were given with unsterilized syringes shared by many people -- so unfortunately I know of two people in my community who have tested positive for C."

    I have a friend whose wife died as a result of this just a few years ago. As an elementary school student in the late 60's her entire school was inoculated with the same needle. The mind boggles!
     
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    Has anyone had a urinary tract infection from bbbj?
    I've been going to pink salons once or twice a month for the past six months. I got a uti in November and I think I got it again now. I got a slight burning sensation when I pee. It's the same feeling as before.
     
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    I disagree. I think P4P ladies do care about the health of the customer. Why? Because giving them something is bad for business. Bad for her reputation too and bad for the agency if she works for one.
     
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    Sorry if this is the wrong place, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread.

    How can you get tested for STDs in Japan? I'm starting a new relationship and while I've only done P4P a few times, I want to be pretty damn certain that I'm not going to give my girlfriend anything. Can you just go to a regular clinic anywhere? Are there specialized clinics, and if there are, what are they named? I'm well outside of Tokyo so it wouldn't be cost-effective to go down only to get tested unless there's nowhere else in the country that can do it.
     
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    If a P4P lady has HIV or Herpes, does she stop working? And what percentage would that be?

    If she contracts a STD, how many customers will she service before finding out and being treated?

    If a customer contracts a STD from a P4P provider, how much can they affect their business?

    I'm just saying that a customer needs to protect himself and can't rely on a P4P provider to do it for them.
     
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    If a P4P lady has HIV or Herpes, does she stop working? And what percentage would that be?

    Many would, but not all I agree. What percentage? I have no idea. So as you suggest it is best to protect ourselves.
    Some or perhaps many would not stop. They might not have any other options or feel they may not. However, I think many would do their best to still
    protect you from Herpes by attempting to understand the disease and when they are infective and when they are not. I`m not a doctor, but I believe it is cyclical is it not?

    HIV of course is HIV. But I would think she would insist on condoms. But some would not. And of course they can break.

    So bottom line, as you suggest, Protect ourselves. I agree.

    If she contracts a STD, how many customers will she service before finding out and being treated?

    Good point. One I sometimes think about. Perhaps many, perhaps a few. Most of the women as I understand it, are getting tested each month in Japan. It is bad for the
    agency (DH) or shop if they are infecting customers. You may disagree with this. But I feel it to be true.

    If a customer contracts a STD from a P4P provider, how much can they affect their business?

    I feel a lot. The internet is an extremely powerful tool. A little scary actually. So many people who are innocent of any wrong doing, are getting their reputations, dragged through the coals
    on the internet, because of some irate or crazy blogger or poster.

    I'm just saying that a customer needs to protect himself and can't rely on a P4P provider to do it for them.

    Solong I agree. We need to protect ourselves. I have been a good boy and covered up for all occasions actually. Since some experimentation earlier. Frankly though, I feel that for sumata, your chances of HIV,
    would make you famous if you were to get it, as you would be the first ever. I disagree with my own doctor and dare I say it - I feel I know more about many STDs than he does. He is a very good doctor, but I think
    some of us here, you, me wWanderer, have become STD experts in our own right. Why? We have read up on the literature.

    Maybe now I am being too safe? Not as fun definitely to have a covered BJ etc. But it is much safer.

    I`m just saying that the ladies don`t want us to get sick because then we will report on it. I don`t want to further slag any particular ladies, but if you search for STD reports here or at other forums, you can
    find posters talking about specific providers at specific shops, that they think they caught such and such a disease from, and recommending you avoid her (for now). So it can definitely affect the women.

    The internet is very powerful. My own doctor was commenting on how doctors now have to be more careful as what they say can end up on some blog, or even at a forum such as this one LOL!

    I feel the women care more than you believe. You may disagree. Fair enough. I respect your opinion.

    The websites like The Body on HIV and other diseases seem to support what I am saying. That the women are better informed and want to protect themselves and their customers.

    But it is not perfectly safe, and I understand what you are saying (I feel) to all of us, which is: Be safe out there. Don`t trust that the women are staying safe for you or trying to keep you safe. And Solong I agree.
    We should never assume that. It sounds like I am contradicting myself, but I am not. I am assuming they are doing their best to keep us safe and themselves safe, but acting like that is not the case when I am with them. I act as if, they have a disease, and I use a condom for sumata, for BJ and of course for intercourse.

    I haven`t always done so, but since I got tested, and tested negative for everything, that is my policy. (CBJ are a drag though!) I may have to drop the latter!
     
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    Any family doctor should be able to do it. If you want to be more discreet there is anonymous HIV testing in Shinjuku: http://www.city.shinjuku.lg.jp/foreign/english/oshirase/teiki/aids.html

    There are STD clinics in areas like Shinjuku. Google is your friend.

    The American Clinic in Tokyo is very good. Not cheap. But very discrete and professional. They of course are a family doctor type clinic, but offer STD testing and physicals.

    Tokyo Medical and Surgical Clinic is another one with English Speaking staff and doctors. Hope this helps!
     
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