Sexually Transmitted Disease (std) Talk

[Espteral]

That is completely irrelevant to the point im trying to make. You've just resorted to insults and ignored everything else I've said which you know is true.

Reality is if you are from a Western country you probably already have HSV1, and perhaps HSV2 though less likely. Risk of getting genital herpes from someone who has oral herpes is low, though not impossible. Many people willingly take this risk every day, including dear old Sudsy here.

If you actively are having bareback sex with someone with visible ulcers your risk of getting HSV2 increases but you knew that. Play with fire and you might get burned.

Outside of HIV/AIDs, STIs are common and have been common for thousands of years and the world wont end if you get one. They are either easily treated, or mild in symptoms. Of course there are outliers and you can get serious infections, but these also, can be treated.

If you want to take the risk, then take it but thats on you

 

[Sudsy]

That is completely irrelevant to the point im trying to make. You've just resorted to insults

No. You made multiple incorrect statements, and I am countering them because this is an area in which accuracy is actually important. If you think that having your fallacies pointed out is somehow a personal insult, then that's on you.

and ignored everything else I've said which you know is true.

Almost everything you said was wrong, and I countered with accurate information.

If you actively are having bareback sex with someone with visible ulcers your risk of getting HSV2 increases but you knew that. Play with fire and you might get burned.

One of the few accurate statements you've made.

Outside of HIV/AIDs, STIs are common and have been common for thousands of years and the world wont end if you get one. They are either easily treated, or mild in symptoms. Of course there are outliers and you can get serious infections, but these also, can be treated.

And here you go again. You are glossing over the hepatitis variants, and one well known Tokyo monger recently passed away from Hep C induced hepatocellular carcinoma. You gloss over the antibiotic resistant strains saying that they're still treatable - ignoring the fact that treatment of these strains involves sometimes lengthy hospital stays, and carry a high risk of permanent hearing and kidney damage.

You are also further glossing over the problem many mongers have regarding STIs, which is that many mongers have partners outside of P4P - treatable or not, contracting an STI for someone with a partner can have far reaching problems outside of strictly medical issues.

If you want to take the risk, then take it but thats on you

Yes - and I laid out the primary risks for a pink salon quite clearly above, with actual numbers. You're the one that jumped in with irrelevant - and incorrect - information.

 

[Danbo]

Dont know what the big deal is about STIs is.

Sure, be protected and dont do anything stupid but ultimately its your health and your responsibility.

Yes and no. The problem is that STIs like gonorrhea (throat) often show no symptoms so you have no idea that you are infected....so it's not only about your personal health but you might infect others unknowingly.

Sure, everybody has to evaluate themself which risks are acceptable. That said, everyone fooling around should at least get tested from time to time to reduce risks.

 

[Danbo]

This gives your total risk of contracting either chlamydia or gonorrhea from a single encounter at a pink salon at approximately 1.37%, or 1 in 73.

Haha, that's quite a sophisticated breakdown. My guess is that the risk is actually higher. You calculated with prevalence of the STIs in the general population....but that's not the same as the people usually visiting pink salons.

My guess is that prevalence in this group is already higher, because they are exposed to STDs with a higher probability than for example aging population living in the countryside.

 

[Sudsy]

Haha, that's quite a sophisticated breakdown. My guess is that the risk is actually higher. You calculated with prevalence of the STIs in the general population....but that's not the same as the people usually visiting pink salons.

My guess is that prevalence in this group is already higher, because they are exposed to STDs with a higher probability than for example aging population living in the countryside.

That's a good point, but we also need to consider that the average elderly dude in the countryside is also one of those pink salon customers. Sugamo in particular is known as being the "silver Harajuku", with elderly people making trips in from Saitama and other areas to visit the area. Even then, I recall a study done that indicated about half of Japanese men use or have used commercial sex services, and the average for them was one visit every six months - but I may be misremembering the contents of the study so I'm not referencing it.

The risk probably is probably slightly higher though. Still, even with the numbers I was working with, it's significant. The average risk of contracting COVID during a subway commute of one hour at the height of the pandemic was only 0.32%.

 

[Acid Burn]

Source: Health care professional

Are you saying you are an HCP? Or that you got the information from one?

I guess not that it matters anyway as it is such a broad term for a variety of professions, a lot of which don't have specific knowledge or training in identifying and treating STD's and such (for example even social workers and registered dietitians are included in that term).

 

[Alice]

Dont know what the big deal is about STIs is.

Sure, be protected and dont do anything stupid but ultimately its your health and your responsibility. Want your dick sucked? Dom up or take the risk.

If its any consolation -
Herpes: You probably already have it. Incurable but most people asymptomatic. Unavoidable even in normal sexual encounters. Avoid people with obvious active infection.
Chlamydia/ghonorrhoea - single antibiotic and you're cured. Is asymptomatic in men a lot of the times so get checked regularly.
Syphillis - easily treated. Secondary and Tertiary Syphillis can be a concern but unless you give no shits about your health, you arent going to miss the characteristic ulcer on your dick in primary syphillis
HIV/AIDS - Not transmittable through saliva. You're more likely to give it to her by cumming in her mouth, than she is to you by sucking your dick - even then the risk is tiny and thats if she has actively bleeding gums etc and assuming she has a high viral load if shes not already being treated for it. Even direct blood to blood innoculation from someone who has HIV the risk is very low. Take PrEP if youre planning on going bareback with sex workers or get checked afterwards.

Source: Health care professional

Exactly.
I think the only valid concern is of people infecting their partner and it costing the relationship.

 

[Alice]

I recently found out that condoms are one good for 15 minutes and then the safety goes down. You can definitely feel this as a girl because they dry out and get painful, but it's interesting to get an actual confirmation about safety.
If you have difficulties with cumming, it's better anyway to switch up sex, bj and hj during the session instead of banging for one hour straight, but even if you want to bang for a long time straight at least stop to change condoms please.

 

[Espteral]

No. You made multiple incorrect statements

Outside of the AIDs/HIV statements regarding blood transfusions, which statements did I make that were incorrect? Please quote them.

one well known Tokyo monger recently passed away from Hep C induced hepatocellular carcinoma.

- whilst I am sympathetic to this particular person who passed away, this does not represent most people. Out of those that contract hep C (most of which is by IV drug use, by the way), 75-85% of develop cirrhosis and have a 1-4% chance per year of progressing to HCC, both of which have treatments though not necessarily curative. I dont know this gentleman's story but I going to presume he wasn't sexually assaulted and contracted this all on his own. Unfortunately for him, he was one of the unlucky ones and it progressed as far as it did. How sure are you that he even contracted it from his sexual encounters with sex workers? Unless you knew him in person you cant really make that call.

antibiotic resistant strains saying that they're still treatable - ignoring the fact that treatment of these strains involves sometimes lengthy hospital stays, and carry a high risk of permanent hearing and kidney damage

Again, you are generalising. What antibiotic are you quoting that carries a 'high risk' of permanent hearing damage? Kidney damage I will concede to, but very rarely under proper medical doses is kidney damage to drugs permanent. They will often cause an acute kidney injury which often bounces back, unless your kidneys are already cooked in which case you have other things to worry about. Most 'multi-resistant' strains requiring IV antibiotics would not require someone to stay in hospital for more than 1-2 days, unless they were septic, before being switched to oral anti-biotics. Most people will be fine with a course of oral antibiotics.

, contracting an STI for someone with a partner can have far reaching problems outside of strictly medical issues.

Again, you sleep in the bed that you make. At no point have I condoned not being protected. I simply said take your own risks, deal with your own consequences, but the risks are often overblown.

Are you saying you are an HCP?

I am in a position where I am, on a near-daily basis, dealing, treating, and prescribing antibiotics for people with STIs. I have seen resistant strains. I have not, to my knowledge, caused anyone permanent hearing or kidney damage as a result of prescribing them anti-biotics. I dont ever even recall admitting someone for an STI.

 

[Sudsy]

Outside of the AIDs/HIV statements regarding blood transfusions, which statements did I make that were incorrect? Please quote them.

I already did. I quoted each of your fallacies when countering them.

How sure are you that he even contracted it from his sexual encounters with sex workers? Unless you knew him in person you cant really make that call.

I did, in fact, know him for the better part of 20 years. It was contracted via a lady from a now-defunct Chinese delivery health in Nippori.

What antibiotic are you quoting that carries a 'high risk' of permanent hearing damage?

You might want to look up the side effects of Vancomycin. Or any aminoglycoside.

I am in a position where I am, on a near-daily basis, dealing, treating, and prescribing antibiotics for people with STIs.

So I would surmise that you are a pharmacist in a country where you can dispense antibiotics, because you are most certainly not a doctor. And your lack of understanding makes me cringe at the idea that you are providing treatment for these conditions.

I have seen resistant strains. I have not, to my knowledge, caused anyone permanent hearing or kidney damage as a result of prescribing them anti-biotics.

Then you have no experience with the resistant strains in Japan, and clearly have no experience with any condition that cannot be treated with an over the counter dispensation. Some of the strains surfacing have required treatment with aminoglycosides or tricyclic glycopeptides, which generally cannot be used without hospitalisation due to the risks of severe side effects.

 

[Espteral]

I already did. I quoted each of your fallacies when countering them.

You disagreed with them. Doesnt mean they were wrong. Show me the sentences I said that were clearly wrong and incorrect. What? that most people already have HSV. Thats not incorrect...

I did, in fact, know him for the better part of 20 years. It was contracted via a lady from a now-defunct Chinese delivery health in Nippori.

Well, irrespective of how this conversation has turned out I am sorry for your loss and it is an unfortunate outcome of events for him. Its a horrible way to go.

You might want to look up the side effects of Vancomycin. Or any aminoglycoside.

While vancomycin, and other aminoglycosides can cause Ototoxicity, it is used very widely in all of hospital healthcare for a number of conditions, not just STIs. Why is there not hundreds of thousands of people walking around half deaf due to this antibiotic, and why do hospitals continue to use it, and why is it not in all of the media about how hospitals are making everyone deaf treating them for STIs, sepsis, nec fasc, pneumonias etc? Because we a do a risk analysis, which is exactly what im suggesting people do. The risk of ototoxicity, versus the risk of not treating. It definitely is a side effect, but not a common one. We do vancomycin levels all the time, at least where im at. Cant speak for every hospital.

Some of the strains surfacing have required treatment with aminoglycosides or tricyclic glycopeptides, which generally cannot be used without hospitalisation due to the risks of severe side effects.

Yeah I dont disagree that multi-resistant strains arent a problem. But most people dont become full blown septic from an STI unless they are immunocompromised in one way or another. And even if they do, it represents a small subset of the enormous amount of people getting STIs.

 

[Espteral]

Then you have no experience with the resistant strains in Japan

This is 100% true.

 

[Sudsy]

Show me the sentences I said that were clearly wrong and incorrect.

I already did. And I'm done with you.

 

[Alicneon]

Guys I went to tobita with one girl, couldn't cum or get hard.. used protection however I masterbated afterwards. I fear there might be some exchange when holding my dick to insert and then masterbating afterwards. How worried should I be, this is my first time here and clearly this isn't for me. I feel burning sensation next day, but not while peeing just uncomfortable. Also wondering if this is just in my head and paranoid and over use of soap and wipes since. If it helps I didn't pop in the end in the short time

 

[MikeH]

Also wondering if this is just in my head and paranoid

Yes. Please do not do p4 ever again.

 

[Alicneon]

Yes. Please do not do p4 ever again.

Yes as it's in my head probably? Will get checked anyway. I agree though, I won't do it again. Thank you for the reply anyway, this is not for me.

 

[MikeH]

Yes as it's in my head probably?

My probability calculations hit 100% before I finished your first message.

 

[Alicneon]

My probability calculations hit 100% before I finished your first message

My probability calculations hit 100% before I finished your first message.

I do have done pain when urinating, can there be other causes or anxiety? Since the day after

 

[Sudsy]

I do have done pain when urinating, can there be other causes or anxiety? Since the day after

There's no STI with an incubation period that short, most of them take at least 4 to 5 days before any symptoms are showing.

 

[Alicneon]

There's no STI with an incubation period not short, most of them take at least 4 to 5 days before any symptoms are showing.

So it is likely stress weakening immune system or irritation from maybe the condom etc

 

[Sudsy]

So it is likely stress weakening immune system or irritation from maybe the condom etc

More likely it's purely psychosomatic. Stop the guesswork, see a doctor.

 

[Alicneon]

More likely it's purely psychosomatic. Stop the guesswork, see a doctor.

I'll talk to someone asap, but more likely than not they'll tell me it's too quick for any tests.

 

[Alicneon]

Also thanks all for replying to my comments. I know I sound a little stupid, but it's nice to get it off my head

 

[Kamy]

So... looks like I rolled badly on my STD roll this time. Few days ago I noticed some symptoms, went to get it checked and sure enough, I've got mycoplasma in my throat from eating a provider out. They gave me antibiotics and I need to keep in my pants for three weeks, but I need some advice from you guys... I've been with few providers between the encounter I suspect I got it from and me noticing the symptoms. What is the best way to let them know they should get tested?

 

[TAG Manager]

What is the best way to let them know they should get tested?

You message them and tell them, or message the shop and tell them that someone you met have have either infected you or maybe you infected them if you're not 100% sure where you got it.