Sexually Transmitted Disease (std) Talk

[Fifty Fifty]

Hey guys I have a serious concern I need addressed. The other day I went to a mens esthe, and things were all fine and normal during the massage, but after I went face up things started to get a little heated and eventually the masseuse started giving me a HJ. Here's where the serious issue comes into play. As she was giving me a HJ she allowed me to finger her from behind as she finished me off. My question is, how likely is it for me to get HIV/AIDs from me fingering her? And I know what you guys are going to say "no way you can get aids from fingering a girl" But the main issue is when I got home I ate a fami-chicken and I forgot to wash my hands and I ate the fami-chicken with the unwashed fingering hands. After realizing I quickly washed my hands but it was too late. Im deeply regretting even going to the mens esthe now in the first place I have been barely able to sleep. Im considering getting Prep aswell as going to get HIV testing but I know it takes about 3 weeks for it to show up. Should I avoid all sexual contact until I verify im HIV free? thanks in advanced.

Good thing it's wasn't KFC, or else you'd be completely fuk'd.

 

[Kuromi]

Now, that's a Famichiki flavor i never tried before 🤔

 

[Azrael88]

Hey guys I have a serious concern I need addressed. The other day I went to a mens esthe, and things were all fine and normal during the massage, but after I went face up things started to get a little heated and eventually the masseuse started giving me a HJ. Here's where the serious issue comes into play. As she was giving me a HJ she allowed me to finger her from behind as she finished me off. My question is, how likely is it for me to get HIV/AIDs from me fingering her? And I know what you guys are going to say "no way you can get aids from fingering a girl" But the main issue is when I got home I ate a fami-chicken and I forgot to wash my hands and I ate the fami-chicken with the unwashed fingering hands. After realizing I quickly washed my hands but it was too late. Im deeply regretting even going to the mens esthe now in the first place I have been barely able to sleep. Im considering getting Prep aswell as going to get HIV testing but I know it takes about 3 weeks for it to show up. Should I avoid all sexual contact until I verify im HIV free? thanks in advanced.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

Been reading up on this thread im wondering,
Whats the general consensus for soaplands and STI transmission?
Are they typically safe? For things like BBBJ?
How many here have gotten something from a soap?

Don't go to em if you are afraid of getting something. Usually some researcher gets the details via a survey. If you read one of those published studies, soap workers are known to carry multiple STDs at any given time that are slow killers. But not much different from a SW, high-end escort, or the average promiscuous bar lady, neighborhood cougar, party girl, etc. In other words, they carry stuff. Men and women play at their own risk. But remember these women are not on the same level as US sex workers.

 

[Alice]

to carry multiple STDs at any given time that are slow killers.

Lol. None of the stds are slow killers anymore if you find out you have them, and soap girls get tested monthly.

 

[FictionalFaust]

I swear this thread needs an "might cause aneurysms" warning... I just wanted to find some "useful to know just in case info", like yoboukai, but I should have used the search, not skimmed most of it.

And boy am I glad we actually have decent sex-ed here in schools

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

I swear this thread needs an "might cause aneurysms" warning... I just wanted to find some "useful to know just in case info", like yoboukai, but I should have used the search, not skimmed most of it.

And boy am I glad we actually have decent sex-ed here in schools

Hepatitis B & C, and other types of diseases are definitely slow killers according to medical science and statistics. Sure, you could suppress the herpes virus, but then again you could get encephalitis. Some bacteria and viral strains slowly damage the heart, some go for the brain. I mean there are so many journals out there that I'm afraid that certain people who don't read, promote the wrong kind of content. If you think these ladies aren't carrying even if tested, and the operators ban them from work even if they are positive, you are fooling yourself.

But to each your own. Play at your own level of risk.

Now, I'm back to reading the article I found on throat cancer from HPV.

 

[Alice]

Hepatitis B & C, and other types of diseases are definitely slow killers according to medical science and statistics.

And how likely is the chance that a soapland girl would have those?
Vaccines again heb B are standard for kids in Japan. This is quite a non issue in Japanese fuuzoku.

 

[Cyrus79]

Hey guys I have a serious concern I need addressed. The other day I went to a mens esthe, and things were all fine and normal during the massage, but after I went face up things started to get a little heated and eventually the masseuse started giving me a HJ. Here's where the serious issue comes into play. As she was giving me a HJ she allowed me to finger her from behind as she finished me off. My question is, how likely is it for me to get HIV/AIDs from me fingering her? And I know what you guys are going to say "no way you can get aids from fingering a girl" But the main issue is when I got home I ate a fami-chicken and I forgot to wash my hands and I ate the fami-chicken with the unwashed fingering hands. After realizing I quickly washed my hands but it was too late. Im deeply regretting even going to the mens esthe now in the first place I have been barely able to sleep. Im considering getting Prep aswell as going to get HIV testing but I know it takes about 3 weeks for it to show up. Should I avoid all sexual contact until I verify im HIV free? thanks in advanced.

What the fuck is wrong with you lmao 🤣

 

[mm77]

Seroprevalence of HSV2 in Japan is about 8% (7.4% in men, 9.3% in women).

Those numbers are probably in the ballpark, but it's for the average person. This paper (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/instance/2809388/pdf/9593488.pdf) finds that HSV-2 prevalence in Japan is much higher in female sex workers than the average (like 5x if I'm reading right). Sure it was 1998 but has it changed drastically now?

Put that together with quotes like these from this thread:

But almost all agency agencies will not allow working girls with heroes to work. I learned this from a JAV/escort/friend. Verifies by other workers in blogs and forums.
[...]
Now Japan has some rather interesting statistics: more women have heroes than men. Most have HSV-1, but I never see the signs. As far as I know, most escorts at agencies are not allowed to work if they have herpes.

And the girls I frequent get test and show me the test. Never seen a positive for any type of herpes.

That just seems totally counterintuitive since HSV-1 should show up for the majority of girls. Also, it seems like banning someone for a positive test would either end her career or just push her somewhere else.

These anecdotes I think give the false impression that infection is not widespread. But I think it's more likely that if people aren't contracting it from P4P, safe practices and low transmission likeliness is probably the reason, not that working girls just don't have it.

 

[kyngder]

I am having an extremely hard time believing that no providers are testing positive for HSV-1.

 

[Alice]

There are no HSV std tests done in Japan usually. I don't think it's on offer in yoboukai.

 

[yasu333]

Those numbers are probably in the ballpark, but it's for the average person. This paper (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/instance/2809388/pdf/9593488.pdf) finds that HSV-2 prevalence in Japan is much higher in female sex workers than the average (like 5x if I'm reading right). Sure it was 1998 but has it changed drastically now?

Put that together with quotes like these from this thread:


That just seems totally counterintuitive since HSV-1 should show up for the majority of girls. Also, it seems like banning someone for a positive test would either end her career or just push her somewhere else.

These anecdotes I think give the false impression that infection is not widespread. But I think it's more likely that if people aren't contracting it from P4P, safe practices and low transmission likeliness is probably the reason, not that working girls just don't have it.

The data is from the mid to late 1980s. It's interesting, but probably not really relevant to today. The level of awareness of STIs in the 1980s and the tests and treatment available was completely different. Don't know much about sex work culture in Japan back then, but almost 40 years ago, probably also pretty different.

 

[mm77]

There are no HSV std tests done in Japan usually. I don't think it's on offer in yoboukai.

You can get it some places: https://ph-clinic.org/en/services-offerd/

As for if anyone is checking... 🤷‍♂️

One more thing... this thread has a lot of good info, but also lots of guys wanting to be reassured that nothing bad is going to happen to them if they do a risky thing. The fact is, if you are up-to-date on vaccinations and follow basic safety and testing, it's very unlikely that you will catch something that ruins your life. Most things can be treated if not outright cured.

However, out of all the things you could catch, HSV-2 is uniquely problematic -- if someone else finding out you caught something (wife/girlfriend) would ruin your life. There's no cure, you can't just get treatment and wait it out. You can't explain it away. She's gonna know. That's probably why there's so much interest around herpes.

No one is ever going to be able to tell you "if you bang her now you have a 0.48% chance of catching herpes." There is no math to do. So for all the guys asking, just ask yourself: "if I catch something, will it ruin my life?" If yes, that's your answer: you probably shouldn't, it's not worth it. Find something else.

 

[kyngder]

There are no HSV std tests done in Japan usually. I don't think it's on offer in yoboukai.

That would explain the lack of positive tests! Thanks Alice.

I just wrapped up my post-trip testing. I would have preferred to do it at yoboukai because it's cheaper than here at home, but didn't have two weeks to wait. And if I did, I would just have partaken more

I caught a cold while in Japan. If one of the girls gave it to me does that make it a STD?

 

[KaiInKawa]

I got tested for low risk HPV and was happy to see I'm negative. It wasn't because I was suspicious of a provider or anything, but it seemed like the prevailing understanding is that most people probably have it already, just with no symptoms. So I got my first Gardisil shot and am planning to get the first of two Bexsero jabs when I go for my second Gardisil shot.

I honestly would never have even known about these if I hadn't started actively reading stuff on here and looking up ways to stay safe/protect myself, so thanks everyone.

I'm going here for them:
https://nijiiro-clinic.net/

I think the price per shot is slightly lower than average? Plus, the level of customer service was high, like, I felt the receptionists had training at ryokans with how polite their Japanese and mannerisms were lol

 

[KaiInKawa]

Just found out about this from my last visit to Segretario. Wtaf is wrong with people...
And people think it's only foreigners that are spreading STDs...

 

[Hughty]

Be carefull with what you read online.
Especially in Japan (or actually especially in the world we're living in).

It's difficult to know what truly happens, if it ever happened

They are a lot of people commenting on SNS, about diseases and this and that.
The only people that can gave a clear answer are people working in specialized clinics.

 

[bdole]

Just found out about this from my last visit to Segretario. Wtaf is wrong with people...
And people think it's only foreigners that are spreading STDs...

It's unfortunately common, in that there's even a name for it: "bug chasing". There are people who go out trying to catch and spread as much as they can.

 

[Sudsy]

It's unfortunately common, in that there's even a name for it: "bug chasing". There are people who go out trying to catch and spread as much as they can.

That's not what's at play. That's supposedly a scout agency manager who's actively recruiting STD positive people to send them to soaps that have cut their contracts under the new laws.

He's offering 500K for HIV positive, 100K for syphilis, and 50K for others (gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc.)

 

[OsmanthusFragrans]

Just found out about this from my last visit to Segretario. Wtaf is wrong with people...
And people think it's only foreigners that are spreading STDs...

This is absolutely psychotic if true but I have trouble believing this is anything but a troll. If this was actually done deliberately it would be assault causing injury and punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

 

[bdole]

That's not what's at play. That's supposedly a scout agency manager who's actively recruiting STD positive people to send them to soaps that have cut their contracts under the new laws.

He's offering 500K for HIV positive, 100K for syphilis, and 50K for others (gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc.)

Ok wowwww. No, I didn't realize that at all.

 

[Alice]

That's not what's at play. That's supposedly a scout agency manager who's actively recruiting STD positive people to send them to soaps that have cut their contracts under the new laws.

He's offering 500K for HIV positive, 100K for syphilis, and 50K for others (gonorrhea, chlamydia, etc.)

This is absolutely psychotic if true but I have trouble believing this is anything but a troll. If this was actually done deliberately it would be assault causing injury and punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

Yeah I find it hard to believe someone could seriously recruit for that on the regular internet and get away with it?

It's completely messed up though. Completely disregarding the lives of girls to harm a business.

 

[Nightingale]

That's absolutely mental.

 

[Sudsy]

Yeah I find it hard to believe someone could seriously recruit for that on the regular internet and get away with it?

It's almost certainly a hoax that's aimed at business disruption - but even that is a crime. (Obstruction of business)