Sorry, but not impressed by indies...

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Wwanderer said:
I don't recognize any of them. Links to their websites and/or reviews? Not that I think you have any obligation to provide such, but if you want to make yourself clearer...

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they do exist, just lost track of their whereabouts and I really don't care if you believe me or no and what you would think of them anyway
 
Wwanderer said:
Yep, what you didn't enjoy or found worth its price would be a lot clearer if you gave some examples of encounters/escorts you consider satisfactory or better.

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He said that pros that spend the night with him even tho he didn't pay are the best service providers. Then what he is saying is that he expected them to volunteer to do things outside of the agreed fee. So for example, Alice for her 40,000 yen, would have had to say, let's go fuck even tho he didn't pay to do it. That would have met his expectatation and he'd have said she was the best bang for his buck.
 
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....Oh and check out most of the [Redacted] ladies too
 
Partylyk1999 said:
He said that pros that spend the night with him even tho he didn't pay are the best service providers. Then what he is saying is that he expected them to volunteer to do things outside of the agreed fee. So for example, Alice for her 40,000 yen, would have had to say, let's go fuck even tho he didn't pay to do it. That would have met his expectatation and he'd have said she was the best bang for his buck.
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Errrrr no. As she wrote herself, I didn't even want to do it
 
... although come to think of it what I did was some kind of charity. And see how I am thanked! :ROFLMAO:
 
Partylyk1999 said:
You're a funny dude! I hope you got your value tonight. Thanks for playing. I really enjoyed this fuckery tonight. Keep it up! You added some spice.
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Thanks and yes, I did. No high-class. Quick and Dirty tricks done dirt cheap (AC/DC rules!)
 
NotImpressed said:
Pimps and fanboys too. Nuff said.
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fanboy? Maybe, but at least my time was amazing with the above mentioned indies. They are all repeats in my book, I had connections with all of them and let's face it I enjoyed my time with them because I made a connection with them. I took the time to message them before my session and figure out their personality and various things about them. They at the end of the day provided me with experiences that I will take with me forever, I will share this about Mischa, me and her literally could not change positions because it literally felt so good, we tried role playing and that went out the window. Why? Because I took the time to get to know her prior and we sat down for hours afterwards chatting about various topics. Hana Maria again is another one were we spent days beforehand talking and had a date were I got to know her and get her to come out of her shell, once that happened the rest of the night was magical, I had a great GFE with her as she was more then willing to attend to my needs. Alice initially started off awkward because I was nervous but I again did my best to get to know her and once again the time went amazing for both of us. If you I don't know decided to make the providers comfortable and try to be a BFE for them you might have had a better time.
 
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RightOn6975 said:
fanboy? Maybe, but at least my time was amazing with the above mentioned indies. They are all repeats in my book, I had connections with all of them and let's face it I enjoyed my time with them because I made a connection with them. I took the time to message them before my session and figure out their personality and various things about them. They at the end of the day provided me with experiences that I will take with me forever, I will share this about Mischa, me and her literally could not change positions because it literally felt so good, we tried role playing and that went out the window. Why? Because I took the time to get to know her prior and we sat down for hours afterwards chatting about various topics. Hana Maria again is another one were we spent days beforehand talking and had a date were I got to know her and get her to come out of her shell, once that happened the rest of the night was magical, I had a great GFE with her as she was more then willing to attend to my needs. Alice initially started off awkward because I was nervous but I again did my best to get to know her and once again the time went amazing for both of us. If you I don't know decided to make the providers comfortable and try to be a BFE for them you might have had a better time.
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I'm really and sincerely happy for you RightOn. I'm not a good BFE I guess, at least not for them...
 
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... maybe if they pay me I would? :eek:. Ok, I get out now, sorry...
 
NotImpressed said:
I know its a poor defense, but do you want me to copy/paste some negative comments I have read here about other ladies? Seriously is this a forum where, when people are disappointed, they always use diplomatic niceties.?
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Sorry, the initial question was sidestepped, I'm asking again.. Are you a known entity to some of the other folks here as accused? The banter seems to suggest so?

Also, no, you don't need to be overly nice but hyperbole is just silly. Please don't try to defend doing that - I'm trying to engage you seriously and let's be honest you're being a bit flippant. Drugs? Obesity? Really? C'mon.. And if it was Mischa she even posted in her ad a discount to her rates because she was feeling a bit plump due to the holidays. It's like saying a pink salon girl has hygiene issues - I believe the community for the most part is serious when they make such statements (as was the case in a review recently) considering people are trying to be helpful and it actually affects people's livelihoods.
 
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namae said:
This would have to be one of dumbest posts I have read on TAG.
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Would you care to elaborate on why it is one of the dumbest things you've ever read on TAG?

Speaking in a heavy regional dialect and over using slang and cursing is clearly an indicator of a lack of education.

Please explain why that is so dumb.
 
NotImpressed said:
Errrrr no. As she wrote herself, I didn't even want to do it
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Sir, seriously, couldn't you kindly write a review on your experience? I'm curious as to what was your expectation of the "social time" date option. Have you planned ahead? Haven't you thought of going to karaoke? vegetarian restaurant? A date without bang is challenging for me, but I'm a sad sod who thinks it's worth paying for and working for. Actually it's Tokyo indies, Alice and Ana, who got me realize that social time could be as enjoyable as private time.

Btw, sir, are you all right? I feel you want to vent something else.
 
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NotImpressed said:
OK I must admit I just became a member here to vent, that's bad manner, apologies in advance.
But I needed to get this out of my system after too many encounters which I didnt find necessarily awful but just meh and in any case not worth what I paid for.

First: I'm not a cheapskate, I actually spent more on (truely) high class escorts in other cities, but yes I must admit I want value for my hard-earned cash, and each time here I was disappointed.
I didnt complain or turned away the lady at first sight (although in at least two cases I feel I should have), I paid without making a fuss, but then afterwards you know that feeling... buyer's remorse, the impression you have been screwed , not just litterally (and sometimes I wasnt even screwed litterally - just not turned on enough for that, I must sadly admit)

Ladies, if you charge north of JPY 50000 for two hours or less sorry to say but you gotta be on top of your game, looks-wise, attitude-wise, in bed and elsewhere too. I remember this pro in Europe who didnt even consider herself a "High class escort", she called herself a whore and was totally OK with that (usually I found out that the more "high class" a lady promotes her to be, the less she actually is). We had a nice dinner in a restaurant where she turned everyone's heads when we entered, had a real good time in a night club afterwards, then in bed it was just pure magic... she actually stayed the whole night although I initially booked her for the evening only. She was radiating feminity, confidence, was fun, smart, SMILING, a stunner and a sex goddess who taught me way more tricks than I even thought possible (well, I was younger...), needless to say tipped her generously and to this day still fondly remember that once-in-a-lifetime experience.

I know this rant goes against all the glowing reviews posted by others and so I must be either very jaded/spoiled/picky (never set the bar as high as the experience I mentioned above though), or maybe the glowing reviews are the only ones allowed, not sure... anyway I know I'm an outlier here and will sure take a lot of flak for this post...

Will not name names (apart for the only one I found relatively satisfying), it's not the "gentlemanly" thing to do right? Or call me a coward, I don't care... But these are my recollections so far:

Lady 1 - Fat, sagging un-sexy boobs, way too shy and passive, not smiling, poor conversation skills
Lady 2 - Obese (honestly, I'm not into skinny model-types, in fact I love ladies with curves, but this one really pushed the envelop way too much: diet, exercise, or charge much less!) and talked like a dude, rather unsexy. Nice attitude though
Lady 3 - Supposedly a gem, but I found her rather plain, boring conversation, not smiling, and with two big bags under the eyes ( lack of sleep? substance abuse?)
Lady 4 - Great bod but again talking like a dude , lacking feminity (big turn-off for me), interestingly from same country as Lady 2, maybe that's the education there
Lady 5 - Yuma. OK Yuma really has a great body and shiny/positive attitude and that's the only one I thought came close to what I was looking for. Interestingly she was the only Japanese too (not that I really care about race or countries, to be honest). But then again... the value issue. I found you can get similar treatment at [Redacted] or AM for much less. Which again is weird cause all the Indies by definition dont need to pay a cut back to their agency, so why being MORE expensive than them?

... and the only answer I found rational, so far... it's simply because those ladies speak good english and found a niche of clients who either care a lot about that (and/or prefer gaijins for whatever reasons), or just don't know there are better options

OK now go ahead, shoot me, who will be the first one? (-:
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sex is over-rated in Japan, so you'd better lower your expectations.
I've never seen a Japanese escort worth spending more than 10k, even in the photoshoped adds. I've had "dated" better looking ones for free. If I spend 30 or 50k it will be on a foreigner.
 
RightOn6975 said:
fanboy? Maybe, but at least my time was amazing with the above mentioned indies. They are all repeats in my book, I had connections with all of them and let's face it I enjoyed my time with them because I made a connection with them. I took the time to message them before my session and figure out their personality and various things about them. They at the end of the day provided me with experiences that I will take with me forever, I will share this about Mischa, me and her literally could not change positions because it literally felt so good, we tried role playing and that went out the window. Why? Because I took the time to get to know her prior and we sat down for hours afterwards chatting about various topics. Hana Maria again is another one were we spent days beforehand talking and had a date were I got to know her and get her to come out of her shell, once that happened the rest of the night was magical, I had a great GFE with her as she was more then willing to attend to my needs. Alice initially started off awkward because I was nervous but I again did my best to get to know her and once again the time went amazing for both of us. If you I don't know decided to make the providers comfortable and try to be a BFE for them you might have had a better time.
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Your post is a good illustration of someone who is at the other end of the P4P customer spectrum from me, and most likely the OP.

I don't think I am psychologically wired in a manner that would allow me to interact with an escort in the way you describe.

You are describing a level of emotional bonding in a P4P encounter and for some of us that is just not going to work too well.

We are all looking for different things in life, and have different needs and desires.

Maybe the OP hasn't figured out what he is looking for in regards to P4P sex?

I had to experiment a while before I figured out exactly what itch I was trying to scratch.

Maybe he is in a similar place? He has a need to fill, but hasn't figured out exactly what it is.

Someone mentioned chemistry earlier, and even your post is about achieving a sort of BF/GF chemistry between the provider and client.

That doesn't work for me in a P4P scenario. I would much rather look at it as stepping into an orgy, or on the set of a porn movie.
 
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The OP is a bit emotional but he is very honest in his feelings. Since his initial post, he is under fire. He was expressing some anger and now he may feel that the community is trying to ostracize him, which just makes him even more angry.

He didn't find what he was looking for and expressed it clearly. We should take some time to understand it peacefully.

I understand that he was looking for someone who can break the ice quickly, with a certain type of shapes, able to take the lead but with a certain dose of femininity (no dude talk).
It definitely exists.
@Wwanderer mentioned many time there is no one size fits all type of provider. I completely agree. On another note, I would consider the fact that sometimes our reviews tend to consider it is not the case and that some provider could satisfy everybody. That would be my take away here.
 
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hkAlone said:
The OP is a bit emotional but he is very honest in his feelings. Since his initial post, he is under fire. He was expressing some anger and now he may feel that the community is trying to ostracize him, which just makes him even more angry.
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Honesty Is No Excuse sang Philip Lynott already in 1971. My take is a bit different on this one. Even though I believe he is truly disappointed I also think he planned this thread to go exactly like it went. He makes an account only for venting his anger and even in the first post he basically invites everyone to bash him for his opinions. Everyone who doesn't agree on his views he immediately labels "fanboy".

I have no opinion on how bad or good the high-class escorts in Tokyo are as I have not met any of them but a troll is a troll even if he is honest.
 
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