Sorry, but not impressed by indies...

[User#8628]

Honesty Is No Excuse sang Philip Lynott already in 1971. My take is a bit different on this one. Even though I believe he is truly disappointed I also think he planned this thread to go exactly like it went. He makes an account only for venting his anger and even in the first post he basically invites everyone to bash him for his opinions. Everyone who doesn't agree on his views he immediately labels "fanboy".

I have no opinion on how bad or good the high-class escorts in Tokyo are as I have not met any of them but a troll is a troll even if he is honest.

Yes exactly. He is not lying about having met us and probably not about being disappointed (although he could quite have avoided this situation i think. Hana's pics are accurate and he knew i was not his type before we met, i tried hard and he didn't seem disappointed at that time, yes he cut our date short but guys sometimes do that when they are tired or have other plans, there was no sign he was actually displeased or bored out of his mind. I still think i did the best i could and looked good at that time, but appearantly you cant please everybody. Maybe i shouldn't offer social time but i created the option after two guys asked me for a meal only with reduced rate appointment so i made this option. I've also used it one hour social time combinated with private time once which worked out well and was a bit cheaper than my regular meal plan) but he is obviously a TROLL.
Like mentioned before, he trolled this forum on a different account before.

So while i generally agree with hkAlone that people should be welcome to share an honest opinion here and feel accepted, I think his whole intention was to provoke and to bully a bit and not to give a honest review with good and bad sides to help inform other people. This whole account and thread seem mainly created for the drama.

I have a lot of mixed feelings about this but i can say that i do my best and that i generally dont disappoint and that if you read my reviews and look at my pictures and you feel attracted to me, then you wont be disappointed when meeting me.

Also its not fair comparing the prices of [Redacted] or soaplands where the girls can see like 8 guys in a day to an independent who has to arrange their scedule by themselves. I bet they make a lot more than most of the girls here.

 

[zecarioca]

I also think he planned this thread to go exactly like it went. He makes an account only for venting his anger and even in the first post he basically invites everyone to bash him for his opinions.

Exactly. I think it's crystal clear. Six pages and hundreds of messages worth of thread so far with people trying to understand, sympathize and reason, while all the OP actually wants is to throw up hate and laugh at the reactions. Please stop feeding him.

 

[Partylyk1999]

He wants them to pretend very well to be his instant paramour for 2 hours. They didn't meet his expectations and so he vented. It could be from his own personality flaws or it could be from making the wrong decisions or it could be that the moon and the stars where not lined up for him on those 5 meetings. It could be that he had regret due to financial problems and he mulled over what he had received in return. After weighing and balancing the experiences against his perfect idea of a courtesan, he was miffed. This led him to basically group them all into being terrible escorts and reviewing them all together that way. Of course by including Yuma into the whole rant, he made a rather big mistake regarding his theme. He basically wasted his time and money on all but one escort that regularly advertises on TAG. The point that you all miss is that these ladies have their own personalities. They all have their own unique shapes. He's not so worried about that. He's saying that if these women are going to sell it, then they had better act and look the part because he is spending or ejaculating or talking away his future nest egg on these ladies. And for his 2 hours he expected that. It was simple enough and fair. Nothing wrong with that.

Someone mentioned that Japanese ladies are not worth their price but in the States and elsewhere men are wishing for the return of the days were p4p was really cheap. It's double the cost now. One person offered up an idea, all mangers should go on strike. He gave some reasons but basically there needs to be a p4p market correction. Too many providers are ripping off the clientele and not providing men with what they pay for. If a man is going to burn 250 to 500 dollars or more on an escort, then said escort should not be attainable in regular life. Too many of the wrong kind of provider spoils the lot. And when pimps set up idealenvironments where the pimp doesn't exploit and provides these stunning ladies with luxury, security, and wealth and at the same time give the men exceptional escorts that ordinarily would not get the business, someone has to ruin the whole thing. From that perspective, I'd say a whole lot of women in Japan just don't fit the role and don't justify the cost. He's talking about treatment. He expects a certain kind of treatment but here the only thing that fee does is pay for an escort to provide a sexual favor nothing else. Everything is hit or miss.
But he expects a hit every time. Perhaps he should have had a 3 out of 5 or a 4 out 5, but that didn't happen for him. Such is life and that sucks. I recommend that he meets Nana at AM for a really good blow job. Maybe she can bring back his mojo by sucking all the bad out of his dick.

 

[Frenchy]

Oh my, where to begin...

OK first the trolling thing: yes I used this forum before, no I wasnt banned. I just asked my account to be deactivated because I honestly feared for my privacy and security at that time. I had this idea to propose some kind of "reverse ad" from client to escorts proposing a fee based on services provided (not including FS). Although I didn't target anyone specifically I received kind words in return such as "asshole" and threats of physical retribution, and was accused of trying to negotiate escorts prices (apparently a crime of the highest order). I never negotiated an escort price and never will. The whole thing may have been stupid and provoking in hindsight but I didnt intend to offend anyone.　　I became a bit paranoid and as I was new here , assumed that this whole TAG thing was an organized ring of prostitutes with pimps touting them through nice reviews． I was wrong, and I cooled down.　OK now I don't know how to re-use the previous alias because honetsly I forgot what it was (maybe Lefrench or sthg similar) and also which email address was used.　Apologies to the TAG managers , you can ban me for good if you think I deserve to be.

Second: Alice, you know full well that you actually answered to this proposal and tried initially to propose a discount on your services．And yes I proposed you a "social time" booking instead (with no discount!) 。And by the way this is the message you sent me after I mentioned here that I was disappointed　：”I dont know who you are but if you left early and acted displeased i could have refunded you money for the time still left, i'm sorry you had a bad experience with me". Talk about mixed feelings indeed! No I didnt act displeased．No I don't need any refund。But in your case, and given the topic we discussed, yes I would have expected a bit more empathy, compassion etc. GFE is not just about what happens in bed, especially in this case where nothing happened in bed (and of course I didnt expect "falling in love with me" or "giving sex for free", all that crap others said which you know is wrong).　Was it too much to ask for 40,000 Yens? apparently so．And yes sorry to say you had bags under your eyes and a bit of make-up helps sometimes.　　Apologies however for the "substance abuse?" thing (I also wrote lack of sleep? too. never implied that you must be a junkie)

So in short I am even more disappointed now. And angry yes. I don't need any pity from the others and no I didnt say all people who disagreed with my initial post were Fanboys.　I recognized my faults, I should have discussed my disappointments earlier and with each escort separately, I even agree this "venting" thing was too much too late.　Sorry for those I offended.

 

[TAG_Member]

What was your old username?

 

[Frenchy]

What was your old username?

It has been deleted, and it was a long time ago, as I mentioned above probably Lefrench or Frenchie sthg like that

 

[Wwanderer]

Exactly. I think it's crystal clear. Six pages and hundreds of messages worth of thread so far with people trying to understand, sympathize and reason, while all the OP actually wants is to throw up hate and laugh at the reactions. Please stop feeding him.

Yeah, exactly. Whatever else is or was going on with the OP, his posting pattern yesterday was extremely trollish...from the initial exceptionally provocative and response-inducing post through the gradually escalating hostility and outrageousness up to the extremely quick and constant replies to any post possible (48 of the first 117 posts in the thread were his...up to his most recent "sign off" post) are all textbook trolling (i.e., online attention seeking) patterns.

Feed them and they will come...

-Ww

 

[Frenchy]

Yeah, exactly. Whatever else is or was going on with the OP, his posting pattern yesterday was extremely trollish...from the initial exceptionally provocative and response-inducing post through the gradually escalating hostility and outrageousness up to the extremely quick and constant replies to any post possible (48 of the first 117 posts in the thread were his...up to his most recent "sign off" post) are all textbook trolling (i.e., online attention seeking) patterns.

Feed them and they will come...

-Ww

Like #5 listed here? Reminds me of you.
https://www.lifewire.com/types-of-internet-trolls-3485894

 

[User#8628]

I didn't offer a discount per se, i got curious about his thread and wanted to see if we could compromise something since the first message in the thread wasn't very clear.
I do offer taylored costs for taylored experiences and he sounded like he wanted to be an "easy" client on purpose and wanted a different price for that so i got ready to discuss options, then he said social time was enough because i was not his type.

I honestly thought that i was being nice by being open for his idea and asking him exactly what he was expecting and if there was any way i could help.

 

[Soapysoap66]

I remember the old handle and the thread @NotImpressed is referring to. It was a very strange thread and I remember Damian immediately calling you a "cunt" and a whole other slew of attacks , also complaining about Alice pm-ing you for a date, all of which I thought was way out of line.

For the OP in this thread, not sure exactly what you were expecting and why you expected it, but the perfect package is hard to find and honestly I don't think this is to the first place to start looking either.

I think you need to sort out exactly what it is you want and not just blindly try everyone you come across in order to limit future disappointments.

 

[Frenchy]

I remember the old handle and the thread @NotImpressed is referring to. It was a very strange thread and I remember Damian immediately calling you a "cunt" and a whole other slew of attacks , also complaining about Alice pm-ing you for a date, all of which I thought was way out of line.

For the OP in this thread, not sure exactly what you were expecting and why you expected it, but the perfect package is hard to find and honestly I don't think this is to the first place to start looking either.

I think you need to sort out exactly what it is you want and not just blindly try everyone you come across in order to limit future disappointments.

Thanks for corroborating what i mentioned here about the out of line attacks I got before. And yes maybe i was too probocative and not clear enough about my expectations and i tried too "blindly" various escorts based on too one-sighted recommendations and profiles. My bad, lesson learnt, but honestly dont people come to TAG specifically for that? Learning about options, trying them, being satisfied sometimes and disappointed sometimes too. Thanks to TAG i discovered other services which i found overall more interesting with much better "cost / performance" if i may say. Again, apologies for those i offended.

 

[Frenchy]

I didn't offer a discount per se, i got curious about his thread and wanted to see if we could compromise something since the first message in the thread wasn't very clear.
I do offer taylored costs for taylored experiences and he sounded like he wanted to be an "easy" client on purpose and wanted a different price for that so i got ready to discuss options, then he said social time was enough because i was not his type.

I honestly thought that i was being nice by being open for his idea and asking him exactly what he was expecting and if there was any way i could help.

Too bad the PMs were erased because i could easily prove you are a bit "economical with the truth" here. Anyway, case closed, no hard feelings. Since people like to give me advices is it out of line to give you one? Reduce your "social time" price or scrap this option altogether. I have no doubt that your clients must be much more satisfied with the standard services though .

 

[hkAlone]

Thanks for corroborating what i mentioned here about the out of line attacks I got before. And yes maybe i was too probocative and not clear enough about my expectations and i tried too "blindly" various escorts based on too one-sighted recommendations and profiles. My bad, lesson learnt, but honestly dont people come to TAG specifically for that? Learning about options, trying them, being satisfied sometimes and disappointed sometimes too. Thanks to TAG i discovered other services which i found overall more interesting with much better "cost / performance" if i may say. Again, apologies for those i offended.

I remember very well this one. Your thread (Good client experience) was indeed provocative but Damian reaction was completely out of line flirting with insults, very harmful words related to your personal situation and stalk.
I was quite in shock when I read it back then.

Bringing negative constructive feedbacks is encouraged but don't you think that you intend more to dissipate your anger and incidentally hurting real people in this case?

Try to think about the people you are hurting. I understand that you are going through a tough personal time. Get advice from close people or professional therapist. And yes... Figure out what you're expecting from escorts.

 

[RightOn6975]

Your post is a good illustration of someone who is at the other end of the P4P customer spectrum from me, and most likely the OP.

I don't think I am psychologically wired in a manner that would allow me to interact with an escort in the way you describe.

You are describing a level of emotional bonding in a P4P encounter and for some of us that is just not going to work too well.

We are all looking for different things in life, and have different needs and desires.

Maybe the OP hasn't figured out what he is looking for in regards to P4P sex?

I had to experiment a while before I figured out exactly what itch I was trying to scratch.

Maybe he is in a similar place? He has a need to fill, but hasn't figured out exactly what it is.

Someone mentioned chemistry earlier, and even your post is about achieving a sort of BF/GF chemistry between the provider and client.

That doesn't work for me in a P4P scenario. I would much rather look at it as stepping into an orgy, or on the set of a porn movie.

I am on the other end of the P4P spectrum because of the fact that I am self conscious and have many thoughts racing through my head at the time not to mention having DE which almost always tends to make any girl extremely upset at the end. I combat this by making sure I engage in conversation with them before and after the session, and when the deed is taking place I make sure that they have as much fun as possible and orgasms as well. Would I like to have the PSE that everybody talks about? Yes absolutely, however the only time I have ever had something like this happen to me is when I am in a committed relationship. That aside I understand some client's needs and desires to have the provider play to their ego, engage them in conversation, make them feel dominant while the provider is submissive in the conversational sense. When it comes to sex again I understand the whole aspects of the wham bam thank you ma'am, smoke and pancake, drink some water and rinse wash repeat until your time runs out.

 

[Frenchy]

I remember very well this one. Your thread (Good client experience) was indeed provocative but Damian reaction was completely out of line flirting with insults, very harmful words related to your personal situation and stalk.
I was quite in shock when I read it back then.

Bringing negative constructive feedbacks is encouraged but don't you think that you intend more to dissipate your anger and incidentally hurting real people in this case?

Try to think about the people you are hurting. I understand that you are going through a tough personal time. Get advice from close people or professional therapist. And yes... Figure out what you're expecting from escorts.

Yes, guilty as charged, I agree with what you wrote. Hence my apologies to those I offended. But if I remember well you were among the ones who wanted me to name names ? (Not that I think it's an excuse though). Again I have nothing against all those ladies personally, I just think that (and yes it's a personal opinion) what they charge compared to the service they provided (and alternatives) was too much . I didn't try to negotiate , I didn't ask for refunds , and what in fact angers me the most is myself coz I played the "gentleman" thing who doesn't complain, says he's tired, pretends not to notice the obvious, tries to make THEM feel comfortable etc etc . And then ultimately I cheat myself and give the wrong impression too.

 

[NormalGuy]

I remember Damian immediately calling you a "cunt"

I think you could insert that quote in most threads.

 

[Frenchy]

I think you could insert that quote in most threads.

Ah ok, well maybe that's just the only vocabulary he has then . Blocked this guy btw so didn't know what he wrote afterwards, if anything

 

[RightOn6975]

Yes, guilty as charged, I agree with what you wrote. Hence my apologies to those I offended. But if I remember well you were among the ones who wanted me to name names ? (Not that I think it's an excuse though). Again I have nothing against all those ladies personally, I just think that (and yes it's a personal opinion) what they charge compared to the service they provided (and alternatives) was too much . I didn't try to negotiate , I didn't ask for refunds , and what in fact angers me the most is myself coz I played the "gentleman" thing who doesn't complain, pretend not to notice the obvious, tries to make THEM feel comfortable etc etc . And then ultimately I cheat myself and give the wrong impression too.

With your first two indies you got with though you knew what you were getting into.

Hana pic's are accurate not to mention her instagram. Yes she is a bit shy, however once you get her out of her shell and once she is comfortable with you the time spent with her is magical. I say this in part because we shared a few private messages about setting up the date and what I wanted to do on the date, etc...I took the time to talk to her for a good 20 mins during the session to get to know her and it showed by the end of the session as (And I am sorry for saying this ladies) she was the only one to have me pop by the end of the session.

Mischa even told me exactly through emails what to expect and that if I wanted to cancel she understood, I said no and didn't regret it. I really enjoyed my time with her, not to mention talking about various topics, which is amazing as she is able to carry on conversations EXTREMELY well. Like Hana I messaged her quite a lot leading up to the date and it showed as she was more then willing to do roleplay and like I have said many times before all went out the window and she gave into her inner nature and rode me like a woman possessed. She almost made me pop too, sadly this did not happen.

Alice when we met was initially on my part awkward, I didn't know how to act around her as she carries some major TAG cred around here and almost every review of her is always raving and I didn't know how to act around her. Once the shock of meeting her wore off I was able to carry on a conversation with her and the time I spent with her was amazing. Even the walk back was truly awesome as we joked about various things.

It goes to the credit of all the indies on TAG that even though there are few negative reviews, they sit there take the critique and become better at the service they provide to their clients. If you didn't want to proceed you have the option of not going through with it. No one is forcing you to pay for something you didn't want in the first place, though paying them for taxi or their cancellation fee is to be expected and why they have that there in the first place as to not have clients waste their time.

Sorry you had a poor experience, but at the end of the day, it's your choice not their's to make about whether or not you want to go through with something.

 

[Frenchy]

With your first two indies you got with though you knew what you were getting into.

Hana pic's are accurate not to mention her instagram. Yes she is a bit shy, however once you get her out of her shell and once she is comfortable with you the time spent with her is magical. I say this in part because we shared a few private messages about setting up the date and what I wanted to do on the date, etc...I took the time to talk to her for a good 20 mins during the session to get to know her and it showed by the end of the session as (And I am sorry for saying this ladies) she was the only one to have me pop by the end of the session.

Mischa even told me exactly through emails what to expect and that if I wanted to cancel she understood, I said no and didn't regret it. I really enjoyed my time with her, not to mention talking about various topics, which is amazing as she is able to carry on conversations EXTREMELY well. Like Hana I messaged her quite a lot leading up to the date and it showed as she was more then willing to do roleplay and like I have said many times before all went out the window and she gave into her inner nature and rode me like a woman possessed. She almost made me pop too, sadly this did not happen.

Alice when we met was initially on my part awkward, I didn't know how to act around her as she carries some major TAG cred around here and almost every review of her is always raving and I didn't know how to act around her. Once the shock of meeting her wore off I was able to carry on a conversation with her and the time I spent with her was amazing. Even the walk back was truly awesome as we joked about various things.

It goes to the credit of all the indies on TAG that even though there are few negative reviews, they sit there take the critique and become better at the service they provide to their clients. If you didn't want to proceed you have the option of not going through with it. No one is forcing you to pay for something you didn't want in the first place, though paying them for taxi or their cancellation fee is to be expected and why they have that there in the first place as to not have clients waste their time.

Sorry you had a poor experience, but at the end of the day, it's your choice not their's to make about whether or not you want to go through with something.

Again, it was not bad, meh at worse and even very good at best (Yuma) but not what I thought it was worth and compared to alternatives, and that's very subjective I know, and I'm sorry , and maybe I didn't spend as much time as you in prior communications etc etc. But I doubt all ladies are ok to be said "errr... sorry.... not what I expected" even if taxi is reimbursed.
And for full disclosure: yes Mischa sent me a similar "warning" but I thought it was very understated. And yes i agree with some of the positive comments you made.

 

[Frenchy]

It's easy to "gossip" about people who aren't here to defend themselves. I don't recall most of this being said in the original thread.

(PS: damian says you are a bunch of whining cunts).

Ah ah! Oh sorry then "another cheap cunt that belongs to the trash bin" was apparently not offensive then

 

[Anna Summer]

I'm surprised this mess of a thread is still up....

 

[Frenchy]

I'm surprised this mess of a thread is still up....

Good point, but maybe people felt interested to show their opinions and appreciate that this topic is not taboo. Note that I just answered , I didn't try to bump it up

 

[RightOn6975]

Again, it was not bad, meh at worse and even very good at best (Yuma) but not what I thought it was worth and compared to alternatives, and that's very subjective I know, and I'm sorry , and maybe I didn't spend as much time as you in prior communications etc etc. But I doubt all ladies are ok to be said "errr... sorry.... not what I expected" even if taxi is reimbursed

It's why for me communication is key. I am a nervous wreck when doing something along those lines. You are meeting someone new and you are about to be intimate with them, talking helps removes some of that stress and anxiety that I have built up. As stated it is subjective I know, but I don't think that they will be too offended about you saying no and sending them home. I think they will be upset that you booked time with them that they could have used to see another client and why they have cancellation fee or at least paying for the taxi. Would you rather pay 100 USD for a cancellation fee or pay 500 USD for a service that you didn't like? It's up to you what you want to do and how to approach it, however I mean this in a playful nice manner, like the HodgeTwins say

 

[TAG Manager]

I think we're done here... seems like a lot of pent up frustration just got released.

To the OP: You know very well that we don't permit duplicate or multiple accounts here. You could have kept your old account and made the same posts, complaints or whatever.

It's a new week, let's not carry over the stress.