Stateside service?

[okayestvirgin]

Now that I've successfully popped my p4p cherry, but am depressingly back in the states, what kind of options are available in the US?

It's more or less nonexistent, right? I mean, escort services seem to exist here, but they can't and don't sell anything interesting, do they? Specifically on the east coast. New York city / Philadelphia area

Aside from Nevada, I'm going to have to travel to scratch this itch again, aren't I?

 

[bbuy]

I strongly recommend checking Eccie for specific information on your area, but I can tell you that NYC has a strong Asian massage parlor scene, and I can't imagine Philadelphia being completely dry either. Your best bet would be to look into what sort of MPs and escorts are around in your area and see what interests you. Just be prepared to be screened and/or asked for references if you go the (independent) escort route, since the legalities are a bigger issue. There's plenty to be found in the US; it's just not going to be as obvious and above-ground as elsewhere.

 

[wuming]

Both NYC have plenty of Asia Massage parlors, mostly Korean, Chinese, Phils have some too. you can find listing and review from website such as spa hunters/utopia guide also you can find review of independents at The Erotic Review

 

[static]

In my experience, stateside service, unless you're dealing with the more upper class providers, is extremely mechanical and emotionless; like a doctor visit almost.

If you're just looking for glorified masturbation, you'll likely be okay. However, if you're expecting personality on the other end, you'll likely be disappointed with most of the sub $300 / hour girls.

Oh yea, and don't expect multiple pops. Cum and gtfo.

Of course, your mileage may vary. I just couldn't go back to p4p in the US without being sorely disappointed.

 

[meiji]

In my experience, stateside service, unless you're dealing with the more upper class providers, is extremely mechanical and emotionless; like a doctor visit almost.

It really depends on where you are and what you are looking for. There's quite a few asian massage parlors in just about every larger city, and using ECCIE and other sites you can find providers in the sub $300 range that are decent GFE and some are really good at 'illusion of passion'.

I've only done the AMP thing once in NYC and it was a little forgettable, but I've found that you need to spend a lot of time reading reviews and taking one for the team a few times to learn which orgs are good.

 

[SugoiBoy]

From my own experiences elsewhere in the states, AMPs should be around $200 for CFS. Of course, that is technically illegal outside of a few rural counties in Nevada.

Korean SPs are fairly common in some US cities.

Raids are sometimes carried out by immigration authorities if not by LE.

 

[RickyJ]

Now that I've successfully popped my p4p cherry, but am depressingly back in the states, what kind of options are available in the US?

It's more or less nonexistent, right? I mean, escort services seem to exist here, but they can't and don't sell anything interesting, do they? Specifically on the east coast. New York city / Philadelphia area

Aside from Nevada, I'm going to have to travel to scratch this itch again, aren't I?

P4P stateside is a bit more expensive since there's more Law Enforcement cracking down on AMPs and Prostitution (organized crime stuff).

If you have a specific flavor that you're craving then maybe it'll narrow down certain states/area than you can establish your "travels" but if you're open for anything then TER would be a good start.

@Wwanderer should be able to shed more light to this. There was a thread floating around before about hobbying back Stateside.

Good luck!

 

[meiji]

Raids are sometimes carried out by immigration authorities if not by LE.

A lot of cities shut true Asian Massage Parlors down through health inspections these days. A lot of cities/states require massage therapist certification, so they'd bust parlors for not having certified therapists working there when advertising massages, or they'd nail them for having women residing there during their 3 month 'tour' when it's a place of business. Really anything to shut them down because it's a 'nuisance'. A lot of AMPs now refuse to use the word 'massage' and will actually kick you out if you use it. It's basically just a private club where you are paying a little bit of money for some alone time with a woman. Sort of like a soapland is just a place a guy can go in Japan to be thoroughly bathed.

 

[SugoiBoy]

Yes, I've seen terms like "relaxation therapy" used instead of "masssge" as a way to get around the licensing requirements.

 

[User#8628]

Not sure if you are down for the SB route but seeking arrangement is popular in the states.

 

[Kulbutor]

@Wwanderer should be able to shed more light to this.

Who is that??

 

[okayestvirgin]

Thank you for all the input!

Its a shame to hear but it's more or less what i expected. Where are some good places to add to my list to visit that are p4p friendly, but maybe a little closer to home?

Not sure if you are down for the SB route but seeking arrangement is popular in the states.

Interesting, I didn't consider that. It might be, i'd have to think about it, and do some research. I never thought about it before. Hmm.

 

[TapDat]

Try rub maps

 

[User#8628]

Thank you for all the input!

Its a shame to hear but it's more or less what i expected. Where are some good places to add to my list to visit that are p4p friendly, but maybe a little closer to home?



Interesting, I didn't consider that. It might be, i'd have to think about it, and do some research. I never thought about it before. Hmm.

It depends on your area but i heard that New York has a lot more SB then SD. There might be some bait and switch but it should be easy to weed out the model pictures. Some might be real models but then they will ask huge amounds of money anyway. If you put your expectations a little below the most tempting photos, there must be a lot of girls pressed for an SD.

I've never used the site in America myself but in Japan there is very limited selection of both girls and SD. But in America this site is super famous.

The biggest pro is definitely the legal status though! Even if you can find some MP, you dont wanna be there during a raid. While, if you dont overdo it and are not too straight up on SA, you wont get in trouble for it.
I would be wary of doing p4p in America personally. A lot of aggression from both providers and clients and strict laws there.

 

[RickyJ]

Try rub maps

Rubmaps used to be cool until AMPs writing down their fake reviews. I had a good run with them but now I wouldnt mind spending a bit extra to get quality and security.

 

[DocMcStuffins]

Thank you for all the input!

Its a shame to hear but it's more or less what i expected. Where are some good places to add to my list to visit that are p4p friendly, but maybe a little closer to home?

.

If you don't mind the legal situation, your best bet for quality is to seek higher end escorts. The alternative is to visit other countries, but with travel costs you might end up spending more.

Canada has some legal options, but the quality varies. And keep in mind that London is often the cheapest overseas flight - there are options there as well.

 

[TAG Manager]

AMPs writing down their fake reviews

This is becoming a huge problem...

If you don't mind the legal situation, your best bet for quality is to seek higher end escorts. The alternative is to visit other countries, but with travel costs you might end up spending more.

Canada has some legal options, but the quality varies. And keep in mind that London is often the cheapest overseas flight - there are options there as well.

Good post...

It's hard to filter through the noise, but higher end escorts are the best and safest options. Those that have screening requirements, tend to be worth it for peace of mind. I didn't know Canada had legal stuff, will have to look into that for more info.

London is good - but saturated market and quality can be a hit or miss.

 

[bbuy]

Yeah, Canada's still tolerant, as far as I've seen. They did pass some kind of bill when I was there last, but I don't think it's affected much. Every time I've been, it's been super easy to hook up with agencies and independents alike.

Try here, here, or here for more info, depending on what general area you want to look into.

 

[proconsul]

Do not try to pursue the commercial scene in the US. The country is a police state like the Taliban with severe prohibitions and prosecutions of sexual entertainment. In the unlikely event that you're able to find a dingy and smelly underground AMP that hasn't been shut down the police, it will be a horrible experience. Nevertheless, up until the mid-2000s there did exist some massage parlors here and there in the US which didn't get raided immediately, but all of that is now gone. America is the wrong country for erotic fun.

Canada right across the border is far more liberal and all of its AMPs and full-contact strip clubs are fully tolerated. Large AMPs like "Flirt" and "Pure" have their own websites/galleries, and Toronto alone has a variety of Asian and non-Asian options. However, you have to be careful as there are some unsafe services/providers in Canada, which is surprising given that they market themselves as professional and legal agencies. Canada is a different world compared to the US, in the US you're like in a Middle-Eastern desert with no options. But of course, all of North America pales in comparison to Europe in terms of the beauty/abundance/legality of sexual services. Being a single man in a city like Prague or Amsterdam is a much happier experience than anywhere in North America, as you can imagine.

 

[meiji]

Do not try to pursue the commercial scene in the US. The country is a police state like the Taliban with severe prohibitions and prosecutions of sexual entertainment. In the unlikely event that you're able to find a dingy and smelly underground AMP that hasn't been shut down the police, it will be a horrible experience. Nevertheless, up until the mid-2000s there did exist some massage parlors here and there in the US which didn't get raided immediately, but all of that is now gone. America is the wrong country for erotic fun.

This isn't really correct at all. Yes, it's officially illegal everywhere except for rural Nevada, and there's been some intermittent crackdowns, but it's still possible to find AMPs and also AAMPs (apartment AMPs) in most larger metro areas that are about as 'dingy and smelly' as a standard Chinese or Korean one is in Tokyo.

Sure the US isn't exactly a great destination for sex tourists, but it's not as awful as described here.

 

[TheScientist]

Sure the US isn't exactly a great destination for sex tourists, but it's not as awful as described here.

I just figured that for a troll comment anyway.

 

[proconsul]

You don't need to lecture me about the situation in the US, I live here unlike many posters on this board who are in Japan or elsewhere.

Here's an example for you. Backpage.com is the only place where sex services used to be listed across the US. All of a sudden early this year all of its Adult sections started saying "Censored," and now the Adult section is completely gone:
http://newyork.backpage.com/
Keep in mind there was no other resource in the whole country. Many years ago adult services had been listed in the "Classified" sections of city newspapers, and gradually it all came down to BP with all the other sites/services shut down. Now BP is censored too. Of course people are trying to get around it by posting in the "regular" Massage section but this will get shut down pretty soon, too. BP's Adult section remains wide open in other countries -- and ironically it's an American website! How crazy is that?
http://toronto.backpage.ca/

 

[meiji]

You don't need to lecture me about the situation in the US, I live here unlike many posters on this board who are in Japan or elsewhere.

I'm not sure what your point is. I've hobbied widely in the US and continue to do so, including at a large number of AMPs in various cities around the country.

Backpage.com is the only place where sex services used to be listed across the US.

This is not true. There's plenty of boards or other resources out there that have nationwide coverage- ECCIE.net, TER, and Preferred 411 to name 3 that are FAR more respected and reliable than the crap you'd find on Backpage.

Keep in mind there was no other resource in the whole country.

You are either being overly dramatic or haven't really done your research on the hobby in the US.

Yes, it's illegal. Yes, there's a number of boards that have been taken down by the police or the feds. Yes, there's regular busts of AMPs and other escort services, but if you live in a larger city, it shouldn't really be a problem to find attractive escorts that provide good service at a fairly reasonable rate.

 

[proconsul]

"...including at a large number of AMPs in various cities around the country."

AMPs (Asian Massage Parlors) contain ugly smelly frankensteins, with no teeth and no English. Are you aware of that?

Now, I went to the Escort website you recommended, ECCIE.net. I chose the largest urban center in the US: New York City. I did a "Search" with NYC as my location parameter (3rd list box):
https://eccie.net/providers.php?do=search

How many results came back? 47. In New York City, a megalopolis! You can find more sex workers in a 0.5x0.5 sq mile box in a tiny city like Cologne or Hamburg, Germany, like 3x more.

 

[kazuma]

"...including at a large number of AMPs in various cities around the country."

AMPs (Asian Massage Parlors) contain ugly smelly frankensteins, with no teeth and no English. Are you aware of that?

Now, I went to the Escort website you recommended, ECCIE.net. I chose the largest urban center in the US: New York City. I did a "Search" with NYC as my location parameter (3rd list box):
https://eccie.net/providers.php?do=search

How many results came back? 47. In New York City, a megalopolis! You can find more sex workers in a 0.5x0.5 sq mile box in a tiny city like Cologne or Hamburg, Germany, like 3x more.

Sounds like you had a bad experience before with AMP, but not every single ones are dirty back alley type (only in Chinatowns, I guess, ever had 50 yr old grandma finish you off before?). the AMP I went to (that I got FS) the lady was nice and fit, though not young like a 20 year old, but defines have teeth and it was in an ok neighborhood strip mall type of place.