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1. How much should I pay? What is a typical amount? Do I pay per date?

2. Is it even safe to talk about money online?
Some SBs want you to spell out how much and for what? Maybe I'm paranoid but I don't want to be a victim of LE. I don't want to spell out that I expect sex. I definitely don't want to state : money for sex.

3. Some SBs seem all about the money.
I thought sugar dating was about some kind of relationship?

4. Is it ok to have sex the first date? Or is it safer to avoid that and get to know her better?
-One friend alluded to the film (Fatal Attraction)

5. Do some SBs quote outrageous amounts per date? If so, why? One 37 yr Old quoted ¥150,000/date!

I find this SD world very foreign and it has a steep learning curve.

Should I post a picture?

I have a private picture I share. But how important is it to have a profile pic?

Any advice and answers appreciated.
 
1. It varies a lot per sugar couple. You should pay what you can. I'd say seeking arrangement varies mostly between 30.000~100.000. When i used it (before i went on TAG, long time ago) i asked 50.000 per date.

2. I'd say in Japan this is safe as far as i know. Don't do this in the States.

3. There are a lot of different people on there. Maybe some are more like freelance escorts who want to use SA but are not allowed to openly advertise as escort on there. Some may want to be SURE they get proper money at first, then warm up to the guy and get more loving once he wins their trust.

4. I didn't watcht that movie so not sure what you mean. I dont think its particularly unsafe. In sugardating, i found that most guys want this, and it never caused trouble between us.

5. Well, you are outraged at what she asked, but another SB was outraged that you offered 20.000 for a date.
Everyone has different standards. There are probably guys out there who can and want to pay that, and if she doesn't wanna go for less than there is no reason for her to put that number down. Similary, if there is something you can not pay, dont pay that. Just excuse yourself, say you're not on the same line, and move on to the next prospect.
 
Most of @User#8628's answers are pretty much exactly what I would have said, so I won't repeat those. However, I'll add a few points/comments where I see things a little differently or on topics which she didn't address.

2. Is it even safe to talk about money online?
Some SBs want you to spell out how much and for what? Maybe I'm paranoid but I don't want to be a victim of LE. I don't want to spell out that I expect sex. I definitely don't want to state : money for sex.

It is almost completely safe to discuss the money and/or money for sex online in terms of legal risk. Even in the US I don't think there has ever been a case or arrest associated with SA. It is possible to imagine LE, probably driven by some politically ambitious and/or religious nut-job prosecutor, going after SA itself for promoting prostitution or something of the sort; however, SA has been operating for over ten years without problems. But the chance of LE going after an individual person or single sugar couple seems very remote. For one thing it would be much trickier and more expensive than going after conventional prostitution activities and could be quite hard to prove in court. So far at least, there have been no legal problems at al in the sugar world afaik and no one much worries about them.

3. Some SBs seem all about the money.
I thought sugar dating was about some kind of relationship?

Varies all over the map. Some sugar arrangements are mostly relationship and hardly at all about money for sex; some are just the reverse. You need to decide what interests you and then spend the considerable time and effort required to find an SB who wants the same sort of relationship and with whom you match up well in all the other important ways too.

4. Is it ok to have sex the first date? Or is it safer to avoid that and get to know her better?
-One friend alluded to the film (Fatal Attraction)

In this respect, I think you can treat it just like any other sort of dating. Would you have sex on the first date if you met the woman in a bar or were fixed up with her by a mutual friend. The answer for sugar dating can be the same.

Should I post a picture?

I have a private picture I share. But how important is it to have a profile pic?

I get a kick out of the distinction between the open profile pics and the private pics because SBs have such different ideas about which should be which. A lot of SB show their bodies in the public photos but their faces only in the private ones while a lot of others (roughly an equal number I think) do just the reverse, and some seem to put exactly he same sorts of photos in the public and private categories! I don't know, but SDs may well do exactly the same things.

In terms of discretion, be aware that your public profile pictures can be seen by anyone who makes an account and that SA uses people's main public profile picture (the one at the top of the profile page) for advertising outside of the site...where they can be seen by anyone, even without making an SA account. For that reason, I don't have any public pics in my profile, but I show the private ones to any SB who asks for them and to any SB in whom I am at all interested whether she asks or not. So, you can suit yourself. Some SBs state in their profiles that they won't respond to messages from any SD who does not show any photos to them, either public or private ones.

I find this SD world very foreign and it has a steep learning curve.

It appears to me that you are having trouble in large part because you think that there is one right or preferred or normal way of sugaring and that you need to learn it. Ime and imo, that isn't the case. It can work in many many different ways, and one of the biggest charms of sugaring is that you don't have to stick to some system or script developed by other people. You can make up your own and look for someone who has a similar notion of what sugaring should be.

-Ww
 
It appears to me that you are having trouble in large part because you think that there is one right or preferred or normal way of sugaring and that you need to learn it. Ime and imo, that isn't the case. It can work in many many different ways, and one of the biggest charms of sugaring is that you don't have to stick to some system or script developed by other people. You can make up your own and look for someone who has a similar notion of what sugaring should be.

This rings true for me so far.I've talked up several SBs, both foreign and Japanese, and am finding they all have different ways of looking at this as well. In particular, I'd say about half of the Japanese SBs I've spoken with reply to greeting with a short response and a price. Almost feels like I'm at an on-line Deai Cafe. That disqualifies them right away, since I'm looking for more than just a young, cute face. I'm having a lot more luck with the foreigners or Japanese SBs who have lived abroad for a while.
 
I really appreciate the in depth answers! Thank you everyone! I think I owe a few beers!

I'm going to focus on Japanese that have lived abroad and non-Japanese SBs, after reading your comments.

I've enjoyed reading all of these!
 
Do you wait to meet to talk money? Or do you ask at SA about how much an SB wants for a play date?

My funds are limited. I can only afford about 30-40,000 a month for play date(s).

Am I too poor for SA?
 
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Do you wait to meet to talk money? Or do you ask at SA about how much an SB wants for a play date?

My funds are limited. I can only afford about 30-40,000 a month for play date(s).

Am I too poor for SA?
I'd really suggest you discuss it on the website. Like Wwander said before, there are no known cases where it caused legal trouble to do that, and you really save some time.
Honestly, i can understand why sugar babies would get pissed off and call it a waste of time if you invite them for coffee and then make a lower than average offer. But on internet you can basically propose any plan you want and they can accept it or reject it and no ones time will be wasted except for sending a few mails.

The number you mention may be comfortable for one date in Japan.
Maybe two dates with an unpopular or amateur girls if you are lucky.
But its not really a "monthly allowance", more like a nice little extra for a girl. I think you could try SA but dont get your expectations too far up because its on the lower end. (I'm talking about intimacy inclusive arrangements here, to clarify.)
 
That's what I was thinking too. I don't want to waste anyone's time.

I'm surprised how expensive it is. And how it seems that many guys here can afford it.

I think some of the guys are quite a bit older and therefore in a different stage of life - and disposable income.
 
That's what I was thinking too. I don't want to waste anyone's time.

I'm surprised how expensive it is. And how it seems that many guys here can afford it.

I think some of the guys are quite a bit older and therefore in a different stage of life - and disposable income.

I thought I would not post here again but the self-serving BS of the "let's keep prices high" mafia just makes me sick.
Got two appointments already on SA , no cash asked for "social time", it's basically a get to know you first meeting with no string attached and the rest is negotiable if it suits both sides to go further. And thats what I like. Face to face , equal situation before getting serious or not. Pics lie. Internet personas lie. Old-fashioned meetings dont.

Btw it can be much lower than whatever Ww or Princess Alice lead you to believe.
And i never had to make the first contact, they did. It's a buyers' market.
Stop being suckers guys...
 
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Thanks Frenchy!

I had almost given up. My 30-40,000 yen/month budget seems paltry to the amount of money Wwanderer and others seem to be able to afford.
It`s interesting as I own two businesses, I also have a separate full time job, I own various pieces of land, but after all the bills I have to pay, I really can only afford 40K per month for my "hobby."
It is interesting to me that a chubby woman can ask for 70,000/date and some have asked for 150,000. I`m not sure who they get this from.

Like Frenchy, I find it difficult to believe that women can get this much consistently, especially when I have met model-like Chinese for 10K.
 
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Thanks Frenchy!

I had almost given up. My 30-40,000 yen/month budget seems paltry to the amount of money Wwanderer and others seem to be able to afford.
It`s interesting as I own two businesses, I also have a separate full time job, I own various pieces of land, but after all the bills I have to pay, I really can only afford 40K per month for my "hobby."
It is interesting to me that a chubby woman can ask for 70,000/date and some have asked for 150,000. I`m not sure who they get this from.

Like Frenchy, I find it difficult to believe that women can get this much consistently, especially when I have met model-like Chinese for 10K.
Ah ah, yes, open your eyes !
Dont get me wrong , some ladies indeed ask for stupidly high monthly allowances just for the privilege to go shopping with you. Fuck that. The first meeting with them is all the more interesting though :D
 
Plus give me a break! If it is as many of the women state, that they are all about having a relationship, why do they have to charge 50K and up? If it is a relationship, why the hefty charges? It seems it is about gouging.

No if it is about relationship and "I am not an escort, so don`t treat me like one," -then don`t act like one.

Don`t get me wrong, I love escorts. But what I am saying is some of the women act like escorts with the prices they attempt to charge, then say, "but I`m not an escort."

I`m not sure I will continue or not. I`m tired. And it seems so very, very difficult. It is an amazing time sink!!!!

Ladies if you are serious about being an SB, I would advise you to be a little more SD friendly. Be a bit more honest about what you want and why you want it.

I had a date with a French lady lined up, I had sussed out by email how much she wanted per date. Then she cancelled the morning of the date claiming a migraine. It was nice that you emailed to cancel. I appreciated that, but not sure if it was really that or she simply bailed.

I have another prospective date, but she hasn`t told me how much she wants. So I am thinking of cancelling that date. I don`t want to waste her time or mine.
 
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Plus give me a break! If it is as many of the women state, that they are all about having a relationship, why do they have to charge 50K and up? If it is a relationship, why the hefty charges? It seems it is about gouging.

No if it is about relationship and "I am not an escort, so don`t treat me like one," -then don`t act like one.

Don`t get me wrong, I love escorts. But what I am saying is some of the women act like escorts with the prices they attempt to charge, then say, "but I`m not an escort."

I`m not sure I will continue or not. I`m tired. And it seems so very, very difficult. It is an amazing time sink!!!!

Ladies if you are serious about being an SB, I would advise you to be a little more SD friendly. Be a bit more honest about what you want and why you want it.

I had a date with a French lady lined up, I had sussed out by email how much she wanted per date. Then she cancelled the morning of the date claiming a migraine. It was nice that you emailed to cancel. I appreciated that, but not sure if it was really that or she simply bailed.

I have another prospective date, but she hasn`t told me how much she wants. So I am thinking of cancelling that date. I don`t want to waste her time or mine.

Some ARE escorts. Even advertising here, at the for-suckers prices.
 
Thanks Frenchy!

I had almost given up. My 30-40,000 yen/month budget seems paltry to the amount of money Wwanderer and others seem to be able to afford.
It`s interesting as I own two businesses, I also have a separate full time job, I own various pieces of land, but after all the bills I have to pay, I really can only afford 40K per month for my "hobby."
It is interesting to me that a chubby woman can ask for 70,000/date and some have asked for 150,000. I`m not sure who they get this from.

Like Frenchy, I find it difficult to believe that women can get this much consistently, especially when I have met model-like Chinese for 10K.
Nobody's forcing you to pay those amounts. If her allowance request is too high for you and it seems too much of a financial risk/burden, you can just block them and move on.

There are plenty of P4P options within your 30-40K budget.. may I ask why SA is your only option?

Japan has deai cafes, soaplands, delivery health providers, lower-end escorts, higher-end escorts with "social rates", and even more. If an emotional connection is what you're looking for, then maybe give normal dating a try or become your favorite provider's regular client?
 
It seems that the SBs that have a fulltime job, do not ask for as much money as the SBs without a fulltime job. The SBs without a fulltime job of course, would logically ask for more money. I will try to find SBs, who think I am as interesting as I know I am, and who truly are in it for the relationship as well as the money, and not just the latter.
 
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There are plenty of P4P options within your 30-40K budget.. may I ask why SA is your only option?
I was hoping for something more intimate than just P4P. I enjoy giving to the woman. I want to make her feel good. Many women in P4P do not want this. Either they are tired, or sore, or they feel they should be the one that is giving. I like both giving and receiving. I would also love to have a friend with benefits. It would be great to hang out and have sex.
 
I was hoping for something more intimate than just P4P. I enjoy giving to the woman. I want to make her feel good. Many women in P4P do not want this.

Find better P4P partners then! Like any other job some are in for the money, some because they like the job. Your job is the find someone in the latter group.

I would also love to have a friend with benefits. It would be great to hang out and have sex.

Yeah, it certainly is! :cool: So don't limit yourself to finding a SB. With that I know only what I have read in TAG but sounds to me it is at least as time consuming than going out to find a FWB.
 
Find better P4P partners then! Like any other job some are in for the money, some because they like the job. Your job is the find someone in the latter group.



Yeah, it certainly is! :cool: So don't limit yourself to finding a SB. With that I know only what I have read in TAG but sounds to me it is at least as time consuming than going out to find a FWB.
Mike how do you do that? I really have no idea myself.
 
I was hoping for something more intimate than just P4P. I enjoy giving to the woman. I want to make her feel good. Many women in P4P do not want this. Either they are tired, or sore, or they feel they should be the one that is giving. I like both giving and receiving. I would also love to have a friend with benefits. It would be great to hang out and have sex.
I understand. Although I can understand the ladies' point of view, your answer makes sense as well.

If that is the case, I don't think you'll find what you're looking for on SA. It is a sugar dating website and a lot of women become sugar babies for the financial support only.

Maybe you could try to meet women in person.. at bars, clubs, restaurants, meet-up events.. flirt with them.. try to find a girlfriend or a FWB. If you want to provide for her, but don't want to bring up the concept of sugar dating, you can give her nice gifts from time to time or bring her on fancy dates instead of giving her money directly. Maybe later on, you could ask her if it's okay for you to pay some of her bills (utilities, phone, internet, etc) or give her money for groceries. Paying for her rent will most likely be out of your budget, but I think she'll still be appreciative and thankful for that kindness.
 
Just found a flight attendant, Japanese, 22 years old. We seem to be on the same page! Yay!
Got negotiations out of the way. She seems nice.
Omedetoo!
Same here with a... ahem... escort :D
 
It seems that the SBs that have a fulltime job, do not ask for as much money as the SBs without a fulltime job. The SBs without a fulltime job of course, would logically ask for more money. I will try to find SBs, who think I am as interesting as I know I am, and who truly are in it for the relationship as well as the money, and not just the latter.
This is right. For SB who are students, their "monthly allowance" should be an actual monthly income.
It should cover living and possibly even school expences so 200.000 a month or more makes sense to them.

I also think that when people think of the term "Sugar Daddy", they think of a millionaire on a yacht with young playmates making it rain. This may be the image that some ladies have when they join SA, but the majority of guys there are not millionaires. (Although a few may be, especially on the American SA).

I think there is something for everyone. Maybe a girl with a full time job who just needs a few ma'n extra a month to live more comfortably would be good for you. Those girls have a busy scedule but you seem to be ok with meeting less and pay per date, which might make you more suited for them than guys who give a big allowance and expect a girl to be able to meet them often.

Yes, when i joined this world i was also amazed at how much some guys can spend. But there are plenty of good jobs out there, especially in such a prosperous city as Tokyo, and guys who are good in their field or made their own succes or just inherited something great can earn a lot. I personally like to target those men since i feel confident that i've got what it takes.

I also think that you give up on sex workers too easily. There are definitely women who enjoy it, but you have to have the luck to run into them. Older women are a good bet, but if you are not into that.. yea..

As long as a guy communicates and looks around at the options, he should be able to find someone suited for him.