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Excuse the long post…as some of you know, when I go to Tokyo, I tend to go a bit extreme.. and for my next trip, I wanted to try sugar dating.. Mainly because I wanted to extend my trip planning beyond P4P, sight seeing and eating.

Planning within the 30 day window before I go to Tokyo in late Jan, I paid for the 1 month sub to SA.

My approach in my Profile: I decided to be honest with myself and to the girl via my profile. I expressed who I believe I am as a person, what I am looking for, and expressed how I didn’t want a long term commitment, but someone I can share time with when I am there 3 to 4 times a year. I clearly said that I was married, and that wasn’t going to change.

My Approach with the girl: Other than the girls who reached out to me first, if I am interested in a girl, I write a message, proactively share my personal pictures and asked if she is interested, we continue on with the conversation, if not, C’est la vie..

I read most of the recent posts regarding Sugaring. Real good stuff, and as always, I appreciate it.

In my ideal scenario for the next trip, I would have 4-5 short meetings to ‘gauge chemistry’ and agree on arrangements, which would lead to 2-3 long dates that would include play time. I want to date a 19-22 year kawaii type girl, late twenties to mid 30’s professional, and 40+ divorcee who is hot to trot…

Progress so far: I moved on from SA messages to Line with a couple of girls and we text somewhat often and things are OK. The 20 something year old said that play was off the table because her dad cheated on her mom and she resents him for that. While I should move on from her, as she doesn’t seem be the type of girl I am looking for, she is pretty cool and kind of like the attention she is giving me. She is also attractive.

Other notes and Questions

  1. I can totally understand about the ‘work’ required as described by many on the board. I can’t count how many girls and how many times I wished someone Happy New years. I found myself copying and pasting creative and well thought out Line messages and SA messages.. While I admit it is exciting to get messages from cute girls who may be interested, it does require time and effort. Especially for the goal I am trying to achieve.
  2. On a related note, I don’t know how I am going to keep up a Line conversation for 3 weeks, with small random chit chats… we’ll see.
  3. On a related note part 2, based on experiences from other members of girls flaking out, I am trying to build a contingency of potential dates, which may lead me to have more potential meetups than I actually have time for.
  4. Q: If the girl is not a premium member, how does a girl become a ‘featured member’? Is it a random algorithm? Is it based on activity?
  5. Q: Why do random girls from all over the world favorite me? What do they have to gain, other than attention?
  6. I have not had any direct propositions, especially sexual ones where they message me stating that they want X dollars to provide y services. I thought I would at least get a few.
  7. I thought that these girls understand that sex is ‘an assumed’ part of the agreement that most guys will want to have with them, but it doesn’t seem to be case with the message exchanges I am having. Maybe I am not expressing myself correctly, but it seems like these girls expect to be taken out and have arrangements made, that doesn’t include play time? I assume that the % of SD/SB relationships that include sex is pretty high. I think there is a consensus on this board that sugaring is a soft form of p4p, so I also assume that girls who sign up for SA, also understand this. Maybe it’s my naivety or inexperience that is leading me to this conclusion. I am not sure how I am going to handle the negations part of the meeting… but I have three more weeks to figure it out.
  8. I am a bit anxious of having some of the girls ask for money before we actually meet, maybe as compensation for the time we are chatting via Line? At the same time, I am starting to understand how some members talk about the ‘desire’ to provide to the SB. For some of the girls I am chatting with, I do find that I want to buy them things…and make them happy.

Thanks for those who read this long post. More direct questions to come..
 
ok, i have zero experience and all i know is from what i read here and that SA site.

maybe mentioning that you're married is not such a good idea?

5. not sure. but i heard there's quite a few 'romance' scammers on the site.
6. maybe they're afraid of getting banned since it's against the T&Cs to be an 'escort' there.
7. I'm pretty sure there are girls that just wanna be wined&dined or be paid without any sex involved. many profiles i read mentioned something like this (though im not sure whether to take this at face value). i'd make terms of the arrangement and compensation clear from very early on to avoid disappointments .
8. if they ask for money before even meeting, it's probably a scam (e.g some dude in nigeria)
 
ok, i have zero experience and all i know is from what i read here and that SA site.

maybe mentioning that you're married is not such a good idea?

5. not sure. but i heard there's quite a few 'romance' scammers on the site.
6. maybe they're afraid of getting banned since it's against the T&Cs to be an 'escort' there.
7. I'm pretty sure there are girls that just wanna be wined&dined or be paid without any sex involved. many profiles i read mentioned something like this (though im not sure whether to take this at face value). i'd make terms of the arrangement and compensation clear from very early on to avoid disappointments .
8. if they ask for money before even meeting, it's probably a scam (e.g some dude in nigeria)

Maybe I would have gotten more interest or messages if I said I was single, and to be honest, maybe it would not have come up, but I guess it's just 1 less lie that I wanted to tell..
 
Maybe I would have gotten more interest or messages if I said I was single, and to be honest, maybe it would not have come up, but I guess it's just 1 less lie that I wanted to tell..
hmm, ok. understandable.
i suggested that to protect yourself (assuming your wife doesn't approve).... you don't really know what kind of women you might meet and whether they can be trusted with that info.
 
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You surely will get more responses at other specialized forums like reddit's sugarlifestyleforum for your general questions. That said,

4. I guess it's on certain algorithm, but yes, it looks random.
5. Not sure. You can hide your profile from public viewings if you are a premium member, which keeps your message box cleaner.
7. It's difficult to say. I really like Wwanders' posts on this subject in this forum and have read them all. I'm still a noob, but from my limited experience I can say that what's different from P4P is the fact that a girl can turn you down - you are not a "customer" in a sugar relationship. You need to be liked by her for whatever reasons. Yes, it can just be called a "paid date" but chemistry matters.
8. Don't pay any before the first meet & greet.
 
what's different from P4P is the fact that a girl can turn you down - you are not a "customer" in a sugar relationship.

Well, you probably visit different escorts then than I do as pretty much all of them get to turn down any customer they want. And to be honest if they didn't have that option I would stay away, that sounds awfully close to forced prostitution for me.

And even if I have no experience in sugaring the customer or not a customer thing is mainly in your head; and hers.
 
Well, you probably visit different escorts then than I do as pretty much all of them get to turn down any customer they want. And to be honest if they didn't have that option I would stay away, that sounds awfully close to forced prostitution for me.

And even if I have no experience in sugaring the customer or not a customer thing is mainly in your head; and hers.

Surely I don’t have much experience and vocabulary to address on this matter, but I feel I can agree with you. There wouldn’t be a clearcut dichotomy perhaps.
 
Based on my experience :
5. There are time-wasters, scammers, girls who want you to pay their Tokyo trip, girls who already planned a trip to Tokyo and want extra money once arrived. If she’s not in the last category, dont bother to make contact or continue to correspond if you already started.

6. Same answer as Jhingy . But you should be clear relatively early what you want , once you go to the Line or emails stage. However if a lady replies “we can see that based on our first meeting” go for it. Actually I do it myself and that’s what I like about SA: you dont need to commit to anything prior to the actual encounter, if chemistry is good you will both discuss the details naturally.

7. No, dont assume they are all willing to have sex with you for money. And for that matter dont assume that’s all guys want either. I had a “dinner only” SB , didnt pay her anything, but I really enjoyed the wining and dining part in top restaurants cause she is intellectually interesting and also a stunner (but not the “I want to fuck her no matter what” type of stunner, if you see what I mean... probably not, I’m a weirdo, I know :D)

8. No money before a meeting (and actually I didnt even pay anything at our first meetings, except the drinks or lunch... for me they are just like job interviews - some of them were fun , some I wanted to escape after just a few minutes)
 
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what's different from P4P is the fact that a girl can turn you down - you are not a "customer" in a sugar relationship. You need to be liked by her for whatever reasons. Yes, it can just be called a "paid date" but chemistry matters..

Precisely so! Well, almost precisely. As @MikeH correctly points out, conventional escorts and other SWs *can* turn down customers if they wish. The difference, Imo and time, is that they very rarely do so as long as you pay them, treat them decently and are not repulsive to them in some way (could be anything from poor hygiene to race or nationality among many other things). The key difference is that SBs can and do turn down SDs simply because they don't like them enough or don't find them attractive in some way. Put slightly differently, most escorts *reject* only a small fraction of customers who approach them for dates whereas many/most SBs turn only *accept* only a small fraction of the SDs who approach them for dates.

Needless to say perhaps, there is a continuum between the two, not a "bright line".

-Ww
 
Wwanderer and others on the board should be able to give you advice on Club Universe. From what's been written previously, Club Universe may provide opportunities to reach your bucket list.

Best of luck and I know you'll keep us updated.

You are pretty ambitious, but if you meet even part of your goal, you are doing well.
 
Wwanderer and others on the board should be able to give you advice on Club Universe.

I have posted extensively on Universe Club (UC) in the past...started at least one thread comparing it to SA, but my experience with them is well out of date (by a few years), and it appears that they have changed a good bit (maybe including reversing the order of the words in their name?), so I'd hesitate to say much about them now. You can look up my old posts/threads, but please do be aware of how dated they are.

-Ww
 
Excuse the long post…as some of you know, when I go to Tokyo, I tend to go a bit extreme.. and for my next trip, I wanted to try sugar dating.. Mainly because I wanted to extend my trip planning beyond P4P, sight seeing and eating.
Thanks for those who read this long post. More direct questions to come..

There's a thread on current experiences with Club Universe. It may have good info for you:

https://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/anyone-currently-using-uc.17809/

By the way, it's almost, no not almost, it is a pleasure to try to help a TAG member who has contributed so much to the board! (y)
 
There's a thread on current experiences with Club Universe. It may have good info for you:

https://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/anyone-currently-using-uc.17809/

By the way, it's almost, no not almost, it is a pleasure to try to help a TAG member who has contributed so much to the board! (y)

Thanks for your kind words...if you live up to your ID... it would be cool to light up a J together, and chill.... we also share a love of onsens... in my case, I love chilling in Korean saunas

I did check out thread and I don't think UC is for me, and frankly I am committed with my game plan at this point, so full steam ahead. I am pretty close in not proactively meeting anyone new in SA... I think there are two girls that I am pretty set on meeting for 'longer dates'.....
 
My update with almost 2 weeks to go..

I really need to stop browsing on SA.. and accept the contacts I am communicating with, as I think I have met my goal, with some contingency due to flakiness..Total is up to around 7 girls that I could potentially have sugar dates with...
but the initial spark from the first exchange of messages and Line conversations is pretty exciting and addicting... but still..things are getting close to getting out of hand..

this sounds crazy...but I wish I could get more direct offers from girls with their expectations...only one girl spoke about her 'suggested' amounts (100-200 for dinner, 400 to 500 for intimacy).. she looks pretty hot so I may go for it.. she is on the older side
anyone comments on that price range??

for those who say that a lot of effort is required on SA is understating the reality... dang a lot of time is spent...but so far I am having fun...

finally..i have been going back and forth on why I am actually doing this... while not getting emotionally attached via emails and Line chats... I do find myself wondering why the girl hasn't messaged me back, or checking my inbox regularly... or in a couple of cases..wondering how many other guys she is talking to <-- I realize this is very bad... i try to deter any emotional attachment by communicating with multiple woman at once..

but what really sucks for me is that I can't get the feeling out of my head that this 'sugar dating' is a form of p4p, and that the girl probably won't be chatting me, if there wasn't some sort of financial gain for the girl...which is fair for her... I know this may not be the case for all girls, as I have learned here that not all girls are in it for the money... but in my initial stages with these girls, I can't tell...and I think only time and meeting them will tell what the truth is..

thus...i wonder WTF am i really doing in this endeavor... traditional P4P is really clean cut and I know the rules... but with Sugar and the many gray areas in it's nature (as consistently pointed out in this board), I am left confused...

my next steps... discussion of terms.. this should be interesting.. as I may not have time to meet every girl I am communicating with, I may need to discuss terms via Line for some the girls I consider as Plan B..
 
dang a lot of time is spent...but so far I am having fun...

but with Sugar and the many gray areas in it's nature (as consistently pointed out in this board), I am left confused...

If you are having fun doing it then you can only win.

Maybe a part of the excitement you are experiencing is because sugaring is a new and grey area for you? Being confused is also exhilarating.
 
My update with almost 2 weeks to go..

I really need to stop browsing on SA.. and accept the contacts I am communicating with, as I think I have met my goal, with some contingency due to flakiness..Total is up to around 7 girls that I could potentially have sugar dates with...
but the initial spark from the first exchange of messages and Line conversations is pretty exciting and addicting... but still..things are getting close to getting out of hand..

this sounds crazy...but I wish I could get more direct offers from girls with their expectations...only one girl spoke about her 'suggested' amounts (100-200 for dinner, 400 to 500 for intimacy).. she looks pretty hot so I may go for it.. she is on the older side
anyone comments on that price range??

for those who say that a lot of effort is required on SA is understating the reality... dang a lot of time is spent...but so far I am having fun...

finally..i have been going back and forth on why I am actually doing this... while not getting emotionally attached via emails and Line chats... I do find myself wondering why the girl hasn't messaged me back, or checking my inbox regularly... or in a couple of cases..wondering how many other guys she is talking to <-- I realize this is very bad... i try to deter any emotional attachment by communicating with multiple woman at once..

but what really sucks for me is that I can't get the feeling out of my head that this 'sugar dating' is a form of p4p, and that the girl probably won't be chatting me, if there wasn't some sort of financial gain for the girl...which is fair for her... I know this may not be the case for all girls, as I have learned here that not all girls are in it for the money... but in my initial stages with these girls, I can't tell...and I think only time and meeting them will tell what the truth is..

thus...i wonder WTF am i really doing in this endeavor... traditional P4P is really clean cut and I know the rules... but with Sugar and the many gray areas in it's nature (as consistently pointed out in this board), I am left confused...

my next steps... discussion of terms.. this should be interesting.. as I may not have time to meet every girl I am communicating with, I may need to discuss terms via Line for some the girls I consider as Plan B..

Wwanderer and others on the board should be able to give you advice on Club Universe. From what's been written previously, Club Universe may provide opportunities to reach your bucket list.

Best of luck and I know you'll keep us updated.

You are pretty ambitious, but if you meet even part of your goal, you are doing well.

This is one time I really hated to be right.

Might as well take the time for a little pause to consider a bit of Scottish wisdom...

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Hopefully, you are not left with "...nought but grief and pain."
 
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This is one time I really hated to be right.

Might as well take the time for a little pause to consider a bit of Scottish wisdom...

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Hopefully, you are not left with "...nought but grief and pain."


I did just that...took a step back and reflect a bit...
also going to do some 'expectation setting' in terms of before the possible meet and greets. This should filter out some potential dates..
now I just have to have some will power and not pursue any more dates (which I think I can do) and not respond to new inquiries (which will be semi difficult)...

funny but not funny Line exchange with a girl this morning...
I msged a girl this morning CA time (around midnight Tokyo time), "Are you ready for bed?"
she replied, "Yes of course. but please tell me about benefit"
Without offending her...I had to kindly tell her she was misinterpreting my message
 
I did just that...took a step back and reflect a bit...
also going to do some 'expectation setting' in terms of before the possible meet and greets. This should filter out some potential dates..
now I just have to have some will power and not pursue any more dates (which I think I can do) and not respond to new inquiries (which will be semi difficult)...

funny but not funny Line exchange with a girl this morning...
I msged a girl this morning CA time (around midnight Tokyo time), "Are you ready for bed?"
she replied, "Yes of course. but please tell me about benefit"
Without offending her...I had to kindly tell her she was misinterpreting my message

Ah ah, good one!
Ladies are so greedy nowadays, where did all the good girls go? :D
 
My update with less than 1 week to go..

1 Meet and Greet appointment which will hopefully lead to a weekend night rendezvous with mid 30's girl (see funny Line exchange in my previous post)
1 Lunch/Hangout with a early 20's student that I promised I would try anything physical with
2 Day time dates a late twenties OL and 21 year student

There are two potential more meet and greets that may lead to dinner...but not being too aggressive and things could fall apart for my other dates because of the following scenario..

During the last trip, I met a girl at a bar, lied to her that I was not married and we have been exchanging Line texts... honestly.. mostly it's one sided.. it may take a day for her to respond and she rarely initiates the first text... she probably doesn't remember me too well and may not be interested in me.... but, who am i to turn down (possibly) free sex. And honestly, it is exciting. It has been a while since I have pursued a girl, and been intimate with someone in a non P4P way...she's attractive, smart, elegant in her early 40's... but i know she is a bit stuck up, materialistic and mean... but you take the good and the bad right?

I texted her in the past saying that we should have a good time when I am there next, with not even a yeah, or sure... I texted her again with a firm, I will be in Japan next week and let's hang out (my actual response was pretty smooth)... 3 days no response... I was ready to move on... put my plan into action with the 4 girls as listed above... and then boom... she sends me a cute 'OK' sticker..

given her track record of responding late, my willingness to prioritize her (what a nice guy I am), and me wanting to try all these dates... something may have to give..

we shall see....
 
My update with less than 1 week to go..

1 Meet and Greet appointment which will hopefully lead to a weekend night rendezvous with mid 30's girl (see funny Line exchange in my previous post)
1 Lunch/Hangout with a early 20's student that I promised I would try anything physical with
2 Day time dates a late twenties OL and 21 year student

There are two potential more meet and greets that may lead to dinner...but not being too aggressive and things could fall apart for my other dates because of the following scenario..

During the last trip, I met a girl at a bar, lied to her that I was not married and we have been exchanging Line texts... honestly.. mostly it's one sided.. it may take a day for her to respond and she rarely initiates the first text... she probably doesn't remember me too well and may not be interested in me.... but, who am i to turn down (possibly) free sex. And honestly, it is exciting. It has been a while since I have pursued a girl, and been intimate with someone in a non P4P way...she's attractive, smart, elegant in her early 40's... but i know she is a bit stuck up, materialistic and mean... but you take the good and the bad right?

I texted her in the past saying that we should have a good time when I am there next, with not even a yeah, or sure... I texted her again with a firm, I will be in Japan next week and let's hang out (my actual response was pretty smooth)... 3 days no response... I was ready to move on... put my plan into action with the 4 girls as listed above... and then boom... she sends me a cute 'OK' sticker..

given her track record of responding late, my willingness to prioritize her (what a nice guy I am), and me wanting to try all these dates... something may have to give..

we shall see....

Busy man!
 
Busy man!

I have to maximize my time..while I am there...who knows how long this part of my life will last..

And I am actually slowing things down...first trips were about being a tourist and engaging in P4P 2-3 times a day... and now? we will see..

but its going to be weird not getting a BJ from a girl within minutes of saying to her, "hajimemashite..."
 
Why would you do that? Take the good and let someone else handle the bad parts. :eek::D
He just wants to fuck her and he doesnt care that she is arrogant and mean. Let someone else be her boyfriend or marry her. Sounds like he is planning to do just what you suggest.
 
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