Sugar Dating Terminology

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So I decided to try my hand at sugar dating, and while I haven't had success yet (been looking at SA and haven't had any responses... most the girls I was interested in were like inactive for 3 months to a year ((). I did find an amazing website that gave the common SD terminologies in Japanese if you're using apps like happy mail/j-mail/PC max.
If you can read Japanese, here's the link, I'll explain em in English below: http://xn--n8jub4cx74uykg81s.com/15/

1. アンダー　(Under), meaning an underaged girl
2. 苺 (ichigo), commonly used to say 15,000Y ichigo = strawberry / ichi = 1 go =5, kind of a pun
3. NS（えぬえす） - No skin = protected sex only
4. ￥・○・円・援（えん） = How much they're expected as an allowance
5. 円光（えんこう） = They want sugar dating
6. キャッシュバッカー = I believe this is talking about pay sites for searching
7. 業者 = free sites/apps
8. ゴ有（ごあり） = She has a condom
9. サクラ = Slang for a girl who is wasting your time
10. サポ = Support, basically talking about allowance.
11. 支援 = Again, talking about wanting sugar dating
12. ＪＫ（じぇいけい） = High school student
13. タダマン = Just sex
14. 茶飯（ちゃめし） = Food/tea/coffee
15. 直メ（ちょくめ） = direct e-mail address. Girls who only want to exchange e-mail addresses
16. 美人局（つつもたせ） = I'm not 100% clear on the Japanese, but I think it's talking about how a married man is using his wife as bait to sue you.
17. DK（でぃーけー） = Kissing
18. デブス = Ugly / Fat
19. 生外（なまそと） = Raw dogging, but no cumming inside
20. 生中（なまなか） = Raw dogging, with cumming inside
21. ノーマル = Regular sex
22. ブラリ = Black List, meaning you black list a girl, or are black listed by a girl.
23. プチ = Handjob or BJ
24. ぽっちゃり・ポチャポチャ = When the picture is NOTHING like the girl you meet in real life. Usually she's fatter or uglier than her picture lead you to believe
25. 身バレ = When fake names are revealed. Like you're using a fake name and she goes through your wallet and finds your ID, etc.
26. 虫籠（むしかご） = black listed
27. ヤリ目（やりもく） = I believe this means a prostitute, but not 100% sure.
28. 分かる人 = Someone who is looking for sugar dating
29. 割り切り = No interference with your private life.

Basically, I had a girl send me this message and I was really confused, so I started googling:
別いちごキス無です
betsu ichigo kiss nashi desu

Means she wants 15kY, no kissing, and I pay hotel bill.

Obviously, my Japanese isn't perfect, so if anyone finds any corrections I need to make, lemme know and I'll happily amend them!

 

[User#6517]

And I thought ぽっちゃり ／ ポチャポチャ meant "chubby in a cute way".. lol

 

[Sudsy]

And I thought ぽっちゃり ／ ポチャポチャ meant "chubby in a cute way".. lol

Yep... and NS means willing to have unprotected sex.

 

[Kegger]

I find that the terms listed above are OK for the Deaikei sites, as they are basically fronts for private prostitution. I've written a bit about my experiences on PC max.
I think this is quite different from sugar dating (at least what I interpret it as). Of the women I've spoken too on SA and other SD sites don't seem to understand many of these terms.

From my experience the
別いちごキス無です
betsu ichigo kiss nashi desu

will amount to a bait and switch (it won't be the girl in the photo), you'll meet, she'll try and get you off ASAP and leave. You may be in the room for less than half and hour.

 

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I find that the terms listed above are OK for the Deaikei sites, as they are basically fronts for private prostitution. I've written a bit about my experiences on PC max.
I think this is quite different from sugar dating (at least what I interpret it as). Of the women I've spoken too on SA and other SD sites don't seem to understand many of these terms.

From my experience the
別いちごキス無です
betsu ichigo kiss nashi desu

will amount to a bait and switch (it won't be the girl in the photo), you'll meet, she'll try and get you off ASAP and leave. You may be in the room for less than half and hour.

Yea, it does seem that way. I've checked out some the kosai club websites and most of em aren't really in my budget at the moment. 30k¥ just to sign up seems a bit excessive to me.

I tried a couple deai cafes and they're exactly as you described em, though from a complete p4p point of view, they're a lot less discriminatory towards foreigners, compared to most delivery health places, albeit a bit more expensive.

Coming up short in that department looking for places other than SA. Very off topic, but if you can point me in a better direction, I'd be eternally grateful

 

[User#8628]

• ゴ有（ごあり） = She has a condom

As far as i know from experience this literally translate to "i have a condom" but it means she'll only have sex with a condom, likely just grabbing the love hotel ones.
Its an expression.


Kosai clubs and seeking arrangement are about longer dates and usually more expensive.
I haven't looked on my SA in ages either because the site is a true pain to use.

The Japanese dating sites are same kind of service as cafes. Its mostly about enjou kosai kind of stuff (the way of dating, i dont meet the age of the girls or anything).
However, some girls are open for a papa, and some girls take repeat clients. Also you could negotiate about dinner and hotel kind of stuff.

There are a lot of unofficial delivery healths on those sites which have a bunch of girls under them so definitely bait and switch, and they try to catch lots of guys so the girl will most likely try to head back soon. You can find some awesome independend gems though.

Cafe is definitely safe in the bait and switch department and doesn't have to be more expensive than a DH. Remember that a lot of DH girls upcharge for full service or totally refuse it while its pretty much the normal option at the cafes.
Also it depends on the girl how much she charged and how much she's willing to negotiate.

 

[TheHunter]

Good job on the list. However some are not clear or need correction.

3-NS - means "no skin" as in you dont need a condom, or BB. "skin" is another way of saying condom.
6-Cashbaka (or CashBack or CB for short). A system for the girls on the sites. Basically a point system that girls get for making posts or emails. Usually can be redeemed for stupid shit or crappy money for the work. A less than perfect system defining why baka is used. usually japanese apps.
7-Gyousha - (trader) Fake users that trade the girls contact information. They contact girls and ask for their line or something then sell the girls information ( I find most japanese apps have assholes like this)
8-GoAri (also called GomuAri ゴム有り) Has condoms.(not specific to the girl) Love hotels are almost always goari. Sometimes used as a condition. "When we have sex, you can wear 2 condoms (do it twice)."
9-Sakura, (nothing to do with a girl wasting your time) Usually a company of meeting sites stealing your personal information. Similar to #7. Just a bunch of fucks in one mofo company.
10-Sapo, Guys looking for SD should look for this term in japanese. Meaning is more about looking for SD not really allowance.
11-Shien, Same as #10, but more secret
14-Chyamei, Yes means tea and food, but with the understanding to meet. Mostly understood to fuck afterword. So, if you don't know why girls have been ignoring you, stop using this term.
15-chyokume- not girls but guys. The guys don't wanna pay for sites to message pretty girls, so they quickly ask for email or their line. (basically what I do )
16-tsutsumotase, A system where a guy blackmails a guy after sleeping with his wife or girlfriend. In japan if you have affair, you can sue the 3rd party for breaking up mairagge or engagement. (the opposite is true too.)
17-DK, Deep Kiss, or French kissing. NDK means "No Deep Kiss"
25-Mibare, Identity theft. Stealing your information from ID, Passport, ect.
26-Mushikago, Mushi 無視 meaning ignore and 虫bug. Japanese Idiom. Blacklisted by being ignored basically.
27-Yarimoku, End goal is sex. You do something for the purpose or goal to get sex.

Other cool words to know
セフレ- Sex Friend. (I know I sit behind you in class, but wanna try this new thing called sex?)

 

[Wwanderer]

Lots of useful info posted above, but just to note that a lot of it is neither specific to sugar dating nor even used ordinarily in the sugar dating "world". In that sense it is in the wrong place, a place where it won't be found by those who might benefit from it in many cases.

-Ww

 

[Ches]

Lots of useful info posted above, but just to note that a lot of it is neither specific to sugar dating nor even used ordinarily in the sugar dating "world". In that sense it is in the wrong place, a place where it won't be found by those who might benefit from it in many cases.

-Ww

I agree. Sugar dating is mostly a trust and mutualism based kind of relationship. I believe there is not much need to use codes and euphemisms. It is just like any other relationships and good communication is the foundation.

 

[Wwanderer]

I agree. Sugar dating is mostly a trust and mutualism based kind of relationship. I believe there is not much need to use codes and euphemisms. It is just like any other relationships and good communication is the foundation.

That isn't exactly what I said, but I do agree completely. In my sugar experience, my sugar dates and I discuss sex in the same ways, with the same words, at the same times etc as in conventional dating for the most part. Someone reading the lists above would likely imagine sugar dating as much closer to seeing an escort than it often/usually is.

-Ww

 

[namae]

So I decided to try my hand at sugar dating, and while I haven't had success yet (been looking at SA and haven't had any responses... most the girls I was interested in were like inactive for 3 months to a year ((). !

How is SA going? Worth the membership?

When girls message you on SA, do you find they real genuine girls, or dummy profiles/sakura managed by SA - are they trying to sucker you into paying up for membership?

 

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@TheHunter Thanks for the corrections. Some of the Japanese I didn't understand, so that clears up a few things

@Ches yea, After getting more into it, I realized how real sugar dating is done and this is for little more than independent escorts on dating apps, or deai cafes (broke mans sugar dating, if you can even call it that).

@namae SA I've had a couple messages, but no actual meet ups yet. What I'm looking for, there is a pretty small pool to pick from, and of those I've messaged, all but 1 has ignored me, and the one that didn't ignore me, our schedules don't line up for this month. Possible for something to happen next month, we'll see. Otherwise, I'm basically finding that I don't make enough money for sugar dating. Deai cafes don't really interest me, as it's just pathetic sex (You get way better from deli-health, soaplands, etc). The only saving grace is that you occasionally get that one college girl who's genuinely trying to get through and is in a shit situation that I'm actually happy to help. Some of the girls I've seen are like "yea, I have no money, I spent too much shopping," or some other BS. I don't like rewarding irresponsibility, I prefer helping someone change their life and experience new things. That's just my personality though. Hopefully, I can find someone who can work within my budget and has the same positive outlook on life, though I'm not really holding my breath right now.

 

[User#8628]

I'd say it's enjou kosai, if that term wasn't associated with underage girls.

Maybe "compensated dating". A playful and amateuristic way of exploring p4p.

@Ches yea, After getting more into it, I realized how real sugar dating is done and this is for little more than independent escorts on dating apps, or deai cafes (broke mans sugar dating, if you can even call it that).

I'm compelled by what you are saying here!
Any man can enter a deai cafe. I have definitely met guys there who earn more than you and then a fair percentage of the men using SA (although true millionairs wont go to deai cafes. But they are not the majority of SA users either).
Most of the cafe guys are salary men, men in stable jobs who do have a bit to spend.
Numbers like 20.000 and 30.000 for love making, or 5000 and 10.000 for just a dinner are normal there.
The time spend is less than with sugar dating. So i would definitely not call this "broke".

 

[TheHunter]

Oh yes I forgot to mention.

The website you linked, in the title its more of a warning for girls to watch out. So if anything, these are very useful terms to avoid using to the girl and personas to not be. So in that sense, this could be quite beneficial. In most of the Japanese it explains you should avoid people with these requests... for example avoid guys who ask your contact info without even talking, or wanting to raw doge it. But hey if you learned some useful Japanese then my mission is complete.

 

[FastMike]

How is SA going? Worth the membership?

When girls message you on SA, do you find they real genuine girls, or dummy profiles/sakura managed by SA - are they trying to sucker you into paying up for membership?

In my experience, the membership is worth it and the women I have met have been great. There are certainly some fake profiles (they ask you to join a pay website in order to text them) but my unsuccessful meetups have not been because the girl is fake or doesn't show up. It is very much up to the chemistry you can generate with the girls. I have had many meetings for a drink or a coffee and with some of the girls I just didn't match; I wasn't into them or they weren't into me. But I have met with some that I have had a good chemistry with and have one girl that I continue to see when she is in Tokyo. Is she with me because I'm the best guy she's ever met? No. Would she continue seeing me without the allowance? No. Is she happy to meet me for our dates and does she give me real affection? Yes. Could I pull a pretty girl who is 30 years younger than me from a normal bar? Sadly, no

 

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Minor update to this, I've since dropped out of the scene, just wasn't working out.

Arranged to meet a couple of girls off of SA, and after we agreed on a rate, they would throw things at me that were really suspect. Like when I started messaging a girl, she lived in Tokyo, then all of the sudden when we were arranging a meet up (a 1 week span or so) she mysteriously moved to Nagoya and wanted me to pay an extra 2-man in travel expenses. Not really cheap, but I'm not going to shell out extra cash with what seems like complete and utter bullshit. I understand that money is a big part of sugar dating, but to me it seems like the girls I was getting in contact were only about the money, and not about anything else like guidance, experiences, exploration, etc.

Seems to me like the girls I was in contact with were all about "Damn, I can't afford to pay rent this month because I bought by 6th LV bag," which I really don't support.

Happy Mail, PC MAX, j-mail and waku waku mail seemed to be polluted with chinese prostitutes and sakura; SA was real, but not my particular cup of tea. Oh well, it was educational

 

[Wwanderer]

I've since dropped out of the scene, just wasn't working out.

Arranged to meet a couple of girls off of SA, and after we agreed on a rate, they would throw things at me that were really suspect.

to me it seems like the girls I was getting in contact were only about the money, and not about anything else like guidance, experiences, exploration, etc.

Seems to me like the girls I was in contact with were all about "Damn, I can't afford to pay rent this month because I bought by 6th LV bag," which I really don't support.

SA was real, but not my particular cup of tea. Oh well, it was educational

Based on over 9 years of experience on SA, I'd say that you are giving up waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early if you're really interested in finding good matches on the site. You say that you "arranged to meet a couple of girls of SA"; that is vastly too few to draw any conclusions. Even if you'd *actually* met, say, ten of them, it would be too few. One thing about SA is that there is a truly huge range of different types of SBs (and SDs) looking for quite different sorts of arrangements/situations, and even if the large majority are not "your cup of tea", at least a few probably are. At least that is my experience. Finding them takes persistence and some luck, but it does get easier with experience as you learn to recognize those with an understanding of sugar dating similar to your own and those who you are not going to connect with well from their profiles and correspondence. But to be clear, even after meeting A LOT of SBs over many years, it is still fairly hit-or-miss for me.

In other words, you can meet a lot of disappointments in a row, but then all of a sudden someone completely different and wonderful comes along. Ask @Ches for example. I think others here can testify to similar experiences.

Btw, why in the world did you put your post in a thread about sugar ***terminology***?

-Ww

 

[Kegger]

Arranged to meet a couple of girls off of SA, and after we agreed on a rate, they would throw things at me that were really suspect. Like when I started messaging a girl, she lived in Tokyo, then all of the sudden when we were arranging a meet up (a 1 week span or so) she mysteriously moved to Nagoya and wanted me to pay an extra 2-man in travel expenses. Not really cheap, but I'm not going to shell out extra cash with what seems like complete and utter bullshit. I understand that money is a big part of sugar dating, but to me it seems like the girls I was getting in contact were only about the money, and not about anything else like guidance, experiences, exploration, etc.

Seems to me like the girls I was in contact with were all about "Damn, I can't afford to pay rent this month because I bought by 6th LV bag," which I really don't support.

Happy Mail, PC MAX, j-mail and waku waku mail seemed to be polluted with chinese prostitutes and sakura; SA was real, but not my particular cup of tea. Oh well, it was educational

I had a similar experience and was gonna quit, but advice and encouragement from a few on this board helped me stay the course, and it has paid dividends.

 

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Based on over 9 years of experience on SA, I'd say that you are giving up waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early if you're really interested in finding good matches on the site. You say that you "arranged to meet a couple of girls of SA"; that is vastly too few to draw any conclusions. Even if you'd *actually* met, say, ten of them, it would be too few. One thing about SA is that there is a truly huge range of different types of SBs (and SDs) looking for quite different sorts of arrangements/situations, and even if the large majority are not "your cup of tea", at least a few probably are. At least that is my experience. Finding them takes persistence and some luck, but it does get easier with experience as you learn to recognize those with an understanding of sugar dating similar to your own and those who you are not going to connect with well from their profiles and correspondence. But to be clear, even after meeting A LOT of SBs over many years, it is still fairly hit-or-miss for me.

Yea, and I do agree that if I stayed with it, I might get lucky and find something useful, but at the same time, I could probably find something just as rich and enriching, accomplishing the same goals through PUA =P. Yea, I'm giving up pretty early in the process, but its mostly because I'm finding my time better spent elsewhere.

Btw, why in the world did you put your post in a thread about sugar ***terminology***?

-Ww

Eh, people in this thread asked how it was going for me, so I figured, why not

 

[patty diaz]

A few of the terms here are not correct. I'll do a review but am busy now so will be back a bit later! Good work regardless!

 

[patty diaz]

Ah my applogiies already been beat to it!

 

[Richie1896]

I'm guessing that sugar dating is similar to a "Sugar Daddy," or is it something completely different.

 

[Wwanderer]

I'm guessing that sugar dating is similar to a "Sugar Daddy," or is it something completely different.

Sugar dating is an activity; it is the dating a Sugar Daddy (or Mommy) does with a Sugar Baby when they have a sugar arrangement.

-Ww

 

[big tree]

How .can I match the suger date? I am Japanese .i cant speak tooo much english .

 

[KumaDog]

HI. Great thread. Sorry for dumb question. What is SA? If you cannot spell it out can someone PM me?
Thanks Go men na. I found it. Isn't that a site? lol.