sugardaddy.jp some initial experiences

[DireWolf98]

no wonder she didnt mention that or drop a pic, taller than 95% of daddies

Sorry, she wasn't a SB. She told me that she was 180 cm and she became my Secret Girl Friend.

My point was that I met her without seeing her pic.

 

[DireWolf98]

Is "working in the beauty industry"

A lot of Chinese scammers use that phrase. It's in the Scammer Chat Manual.

They say that they own a beauty shop, or shops; that they are fashion designers; oh, and btw, they trade cryptocurrencies.

 

[thatguythere]

A lot of Chinese scammers use that phrase. It's in the Scammer Chat Manual.

They say that they own a beauty shop, or shops; that they are fashion designers; oh, and btw, they trade cryptocurrencies.

Damn nobodies gonna be left at this rate, are any on there even real

 

[headyhoncho]

Just want to give a big thanks to @Frekleskar and @fireman for the great, detailed write-ups. You've inspired me to give sugardaddy.jp a go after some terrible experiences with other, less reputable apps. Avoiding fronts for apartments full of barrel-faced Chinese hookers is pretty easy, but once you get duped into a hotel room with a girl who has been working since she was 12 and curtly tells you to complain to Nii-san if you have a problem then you realize you are in over your head.

I'll post some initial reports once I get verified and try out my first cohort. For context, I am quite fluent in Japanese (passed JLPT N1 over a decade ago) but my conversational ability is deficient because I don't actually use it that much in daily life.

Update: JFC the ID verification is either extremely strict or just broken. Three rejections already…

 

[TAG Manager]

Update: JFC the ID verification is either extremely strict or just broken. Three rejections already…

What methods did you use?

 

[headyhoncho]

What methods did you use?

MyNumber card, Zairyu card (yes I now see that this isn't admissible), and then drivers' license.
I'm trying the DL again since it actually has my DOB unlike the MyNumber card; I think my first submission may have had a sideways pic or something. Anyway I will update if it finally goes through.

In the meantime I can give my initial plan/motivation along with some first impressions:

• To be honest I'm not great SD material--can't really afford what most of these girls are probably hoping for--but I am naively hoping I can make up for it with charm, mystique, fitness, and age (early 40s). I don't expect cheap sex, but genuine (or at least well-acted) interest and attention from a pretty young thing just makes me feel good. Like getting blood transfusions from 18 year olds. If I find that most girls are expecting the same rate either way then I might have to cut back on my gym membership and steak dinners to keep the relationships going.
• My profile has 7 pics, one is a shot of me squatting heavy from behind (gotta show off my ass-ets) and the rest include my face and most of my body. Varied poses and locations (top of a building, by a campfire, on a boat) and always smiling. Self introduction is max length, mentions job/hobbies/diet/exercise and was polished by ChatGPT (it writes much more natural-sounding Japanese than me).
• My sweet spot is age 20-24, unenhanced profile pics (those eyes are so fucking creepy), smiling with teeth, and thorough self-introduction which mentions unique interests/hobbies/goals. I have not done a good job of sticking to this, but if I find a girl that checks all these boxes she is an insta-like and will be getting a highly personalized message once I get verified.
• I've gotten 24 likes and 4 messages (which I can't read yet) in the first 24 hours, some of which were responses to my own likes. I've got 12 "matches" but at this point I'm not sure how much weight (if any) I should bother putting on like activity. Of those 12, about 4 are what I consider cream of the crop (for my tastes) and will be first in line for a slice of my meager sugaring budget.
• The bulletin board seems... I dunno, kinda pointless? Since a membership gives unlimited messaging, I don't know why I wouldn't just directly identify and message profiles that I like rather than trying to solicit from the general population. Maybe there's a strategy that I'm not aware of; please educate me.

 

[thatguythere]

MyNumber card, Zairyu card (yes I now see that this isn't admissible), and then drivers' license.
I'm trying the DL again since it actually has my DOB unlike the MyNumber card; I think my first submission may have had a sideways pic or something. Anyway I will update if it finally goes through.

Let me know too cause ive been rejected 3 times too so far. Actually reached out to the support and they said European nationals are allowed and to try again...but maybe they meant European nationals with Japanese registration, not sure, they didn't mention it.

 

[TAG Manager]

MyNumber card, Zairyu card (yes I now see that this isn't admissible), and then drivers' license.
I'm trying the DL again since it actually has my DOB unlike the MyNumber card; I think my first submission may have had a sideways pic or something. Anyway I will update if it finally goes through.

The DL seems to be the most reliable, but the two photographs can be tricky I think. Thanks for the follow-up.

 

[fireman]

The bulletin board seems... I dunno, kinda pointless? Since a membership gives unlimited messaging, I don't know why I wouldn't just directly identify and message profiles that I like rather than trying to solicit from the general population. Maybe there's a strategy that I'm not aware of; please educate me.

The main point of the bulletin board is to find people who are actively looking for a particular date/time/location. "Who wants to have dinner in Shinjuku or Roppongi tonight," etc.

Honestly there are so many women on the site that I find the bulletin board to be way more efficient for finding people I can actually meet.

 

[headyhoncho]

The main point of the bulletin board is to find people who are actively looking for a particular date/time/location.

Honestly there are so many women on the site that I find the bulletin board to be way more efficient for finding people I can actually meet.

Ok, so I assume you are the one posting your availability, and then you see who bites? I can see how it would significantly speed up the process of actually nailing down dates, but I guess I'm wondering how often I'll get a decent catch that way.

Anyways, my takeaway from your response is that I should give it a try and see what happens. I will make the reasonable assumption that catching the right fish is mostly a result of setting the right bait.

 

[leducul]

Ok, so I assume you are the one posting your availability, and then you see who bites? I can see how it would significantly speed up the process of actually nailing down dates, but I guess I'm wondering how often I'll get a decent catch that way.

Anyways, my takeaway from your response is that I should give it a try and see what happens. I will make the reasonable assumption that catching the right fish is mostly a result of setting the right bait.

It's usually more the other way around from what I see, you look at the board for places, times that work for you and reach out to the people you got interested in

 

[fireman]

Either way works

 

[headyhoncho]

Driver's license rejected again
Nothing left to do but just keep submitting, like, higher and higher resolution photos and cross my fingers. If they don't want my money then so be it.

Only other issue I can think of is that the license expires in October, and they have some unwritten policy about rejecting IDs that expire within 6 months or something.

Update: My latest submission, which is honestly the best possible photos of my DL you could ever ask for, is still pending after 12 hours.

Up to 33 likes, 18 matches and 8 inbound messages after 48 hours. With all this extra time to sit and pore over profile pics and photos I've done what all good former business consultants do: created a spreadsheet. There are 78 girls in it, ranging in age from 20 to 48 with an average of 26.5. Going through profiles now to make notes and winnow it down to my top ~10 prospects.

UPUPDATE: APPROVED it's go time baby
Holy shit some of these messages actually mention shit that I buried deep in my profile. I don't know how to react to someone reading my profile, it's such a new experience

 

[Frekleskar]

To be honest I'm not great SD material--can't really afford what most of these girls are probably hoping for--but I am naively hoping I can make up for it with charm, mystique, fitness, and age (early 40s). I don't expect cheap sex, but genuine (or at least well-acted) interest and attention from a pretty young thing just makes me feel good. Like getting blood transfusions from 18 year olds. If I find that most girls are expecting the same rate either way then I might have to cut back on my gym membership and steak dinners to keep the relationships going.

It might work. I don't want to go into details (maybe one day I will write a separate post), but let's say - I achieved more or less what you are hoping for, and from what I've read, others did as well.
I'm tad younger than you, but I agree with the "feels good" part

 

[thatguythere]

Driver's license rejected again
Nothing left to do but just keep submitting, like, higher and higher resolution photos and cross my fingers. If they don't want my money then so be it.

Only other issue I can think of is that the license expires in October, and they have some unwritten policy about rejecting IDs that expire within 6 months or something.

Update: My latest submission, which is honestly the best possible photos of my DL you could ever ask for, is still pending after 12 hours.

Up to 33 likes, 18 matches and 8 inbound messages after 48 hours. With all this extra time to sit and pore over profile pics and photos I've done what all good former business consultants do: created a spreadsheet. There are 78 girls in it, ranging in age from 20 to 48 with an average of 26.5. Going through profiles now to make notes and winnow it down to my top ~10 prospects.

UPUPDATE: APPROVED it's go time baby
Holy shit some of these messages actually mention shit that I buried deep in my profile. I don't know how to react to someone reading my profile, it's such a new experience

Damn you got approved, grats, im on my fourth rejection and i just assume im SoL for not being a jp citizen. I assume your DL is Japanese?

I actually tried both sd and paters and i gotta say paters is one of the WORST user experiences ive seen in design in a looooooong time, it really is atrocious. The website is ugly, unmanageable, unclear, confusing and a pain to use. Actually so bad i manually changed the code a bit to make it semi usable even. Also used some tricks to get the app working on my phone and its barely better. I hope to god i can get sd going somehow cause if i have to use paters im just gonna go to daei cafes instead.

 

[headyhoncho]

Damn you got approved, grats, im on my fourth rejection and i just assume im SoL for not being a jp citizen. I assume your DL is Japanese?

Yes, Japanese DL. I was lucky to have a license from one of the few U.S. states that can convert directly to a Japanese license without a driving test.

Anyways I hope you make it through eventually, it's a feeding frenzy. The volume of attention I'm getting is starting to feel overwhelming actually. With numbers like this I really can just ask for exactly what I want and have confidence the right girl will come along eventually.

 

[thatguythere]

Yes, Japanese DL. I was lucky to have a license from one of the few U.S. states that can convert directly to a Japanese license without a driving test.

Anyways I hope you make it through eventually, it's a feeding frenzy. The volume of attention I'm getting is starting to feel overwhelming actually. With numbers like this I really can just ask for exactly what I want and have confidence the right girl will come along eventually.

i actually checked lol, and my country is allowed to directly convert as well. But does that mean you get an extra, or that you have to hand in your original? (I also found out i probably cant do it anyway because one of the requirements is you have to be in country for 6 months after the request, which is not gonna happen as a lowly tourist). So im probably just outta luck.

Yeah, while browsing through it, it seemed great, a ton of girls i would be interested in meeting. Havent even set up profile pictures and got 4 messages already which i will never be able to check lol.

 

[Sudsy]

(I also found out i probably cant do it anyway because one of the requirements is you have to be in country for 6 months after the request, which is not gonna happen as a lowly tourist)

You have to be a resident. Tourists can't convert their license - period.

 

[headyhoncho]

Kind of a tangent, but replying to these messages has become my own personal "killer app" for ChatGPT. It's seriously like having a native Japanese wingman who can drill down into every nuance of every message to throw up red flags or let me know I'm getting the right vibe.

I'm using it to help me compose my messages, but I'm really trying to keep my own voice so I usually just ask it to translate what I want to say from English and then tweak it to get rid of the usual AI stiffness and verbosity.

As I'm looking at the output from ChatGPT, I realize that it's eerily similar to the messages this girl was sending me. I suggest to ChatGPT that this girl might be using AI herself:

First time I literally laughed out loud during an AI conversation. Really, ChatGPT? Were you going to say that? Fucking double agent.

 

[gaschdee]

Kind of a tangent, but replying to these messages has become my own personal "killer app" for ChatGPT. It's seriously like having a native Japanese wingman who can drill down into every nuance of every message to throw up red flags or let me know I'm getting the right vibe.

I'm using it to help me compose my messages, but I'm really trying to keep my own voice so I usually just ask it to translate what I want to say from English and then tweak it to get rid of the usual AI stiffness and verbosity.

As I'm looking at the output from ChatGPT, I realize that it's eerily similar to the messages this girl was sending me. I suggest to ChatGPT that this girl might be using AI herself:

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First time I literally laughed out loud during an AI conversation. Really, ChatGPT? Were you going to say that? Fucking double agent.

I wouldn't put much weight into that.
LLMs are designed to reaffirm your opinion, and by suggesting that she might be using AI it is just going to agree with you. It's the nature of the technology.

 

[headyhoncho]

I wouldn't put much weight into that.
LLMs are designed to reaffirm your opinion, and by suggesting that she might be using AI it is just going to agree with you. It's the nature of the technology.

I'm a computer science professor, I know how LLMs work quite well. I nearly failed half of my intro C programming course this semester because they kept using LLMs to complete their homework which is technically plagiarism. It was really easy to identify the LLM output in that context.

Anyways, it is not necessarily true that a chatbot will always reaffirm one's opinion, although I agree that this is quite common since they are generally trained to be agreeable. I have another example from the same chat where ChatGPT disagreed with me, for what it's worth.

Also I don't really give a shit if she uses AI, I'm literally using it myself. It would be a 1000% improvement over the copy-pasted bullshit that you get most of the time. I just think it was a funny response, and the "meta"-ness of the whole charade is funny in a very Seinfeld-esque way. I find myself asking ChatGPT to make its output look less like typical LLM output ... and it does a pretty good job of that.

 

[Alice]

Is "working in the beauty industry" just code for working in the "industry"? I've seen this one an awfull lot.

Or maybe it's just a popular job for girls and are girls in the job less repulsed by touching strangers?

 

[Alice]

To be honest I'm not great SD material--can't really afford what most of these girls are probably hoping for--but I am naively hoping I can make up for it with charm, mystique, fitness, and age (early 40s). I don't expect cheap sex, but genuine (or at least well-acted) interest and attention from a pretty young thing just makes me feel good. Like getting blood transfusions from 18 year olds

Classic. That last part is creepy af though. But I also love vampire facials and human stem cells so who am I to judge?

 

[Frekleskar]

Is "working in the beauty industry" just code for working in the "industry"? I've seen this one an awfull lot.

I wouldn't say so. These just are the girls that finished courses for nail making and stuff, and now are in need of more money, as the business does not pay enough. I have a friend who was working in beauty and had to switch to pizza restaurant baito.

 

[fireman]

I think you're doing something wrong if you have to use AI. I have a canned message that briefly explains what I'm looking for and my basic conditions. I copy and paste it in at the start of the chat. I might add an extra line on the fly if it seems helpful or if I am not sure about something on the woman's profile. I ask for a picture if she hasn't uploaded one. If the woman is down to meet, we discuss time and venue. Otherwise the conversation stops. There is no need to say anything else; save it for when you meet in person. Using an LLM to generate paragraphs of text probably just makes you sound like a loser who has nothing better to do, and if you don't know what to say without technological assistance, WTF are you going to do when you actually meet her?