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Sugaring vs Escorting : what do you prefer?

steve969696 said:
So I have done escort and bar girls for about 15 years in 8-10 countries so I am no stranger to that. (54 girls this year including 10-12 SB). But I started my first SB like relationship when I flew a semi-pro (met her at a pay for play bar where we spent 5 hours and two sessions together) from Brazil to London to be with me on a business trip. OMG it was the funnest week of my life.

And what I found was, sure we’d have an hour or so of great sex daily, but I LOVED being with this hot 22 year old 24/7. Dinner, dancing, strolling in Chinatown. There is something totally intoxicating about having a 22 year old who (appears to) adore u. And so I’ve been trying to replicate ever since.

I have discovered Seeking Arrangement principally as a way to have semi-legal paid sex in Pussy Prison USA. I’ve had 12 SB girls since June and plan 3 more this month. It is waaaay better than escorting for me. I have found that if u can weed out the pro escorts the girls are really out for a good time and will spend FOUR hours with u for the price of ONE escort hour. I love taking them to dinner or dancing and then going to the room. And for the same price as just meeting an escort in the room (except for dinner and drinks $$ obviously).

I’ve had many great experiences but three stand out:

1. A girl in Buenos Aires who we met up for lunch, walked the waterfront together and then had some great sex. We then saw each other a total of 21 hours (sex 5 times) including 4 hours at a sex club where I took her in doggie as she made out with another girl and with three couples watching. LOL. Try that with an escort. $1000 gift for the three days.

2. A college girl in NYC. She’d never done SB. We went to nice dinner, a quick drink and then sex in my room. 4 hours together including her having her first ever real DATY. Just dinner itself was great she was so over the moon to go to a nice restaurant with a man (not like the boys her age 23). $400.

3. Two Columbianas in London. I arranged 4 hours with the one for $450US and then she wanted to bring her friend cuz it was her birthday. No extra charge! (Try that with an escort!) We até Vietnamese together, danced a couple hours, drank wine from the bottle in a pedicab, and had an epic 3P session in my room.

Don’t get me wrong finding these gems is hard work. But I have come to enjoy it waaaay more than straight up escort. Tho I will do both depending on the city.

Hope this helps give some perspective on how SB can be awesome! And as u see u don’t pay the extra hours. They are there to have fun and happy to make a few hundred dollars as an extra.
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Not to kink shame or anything but I think you’re a little too into it my friend and like Mike mentioned earlier I think your concept of sugaring is just longer hours at a cheaper rate but an escort in every other sense of the word.
 
So having done both there are pros and cons to each, what I like about sugaring is that you have an opportunity to connect with some amazing people and go on great dates, pick and choose easier but what I don’t like is the emotional baggage. Also when you’re establishing a new SD/SB relationship its such a turn off when the guy wants to take you on shit dates, like Torikizoku. I think the sugaring should elevate your life in some way. The guy gets a hot young lady and the girl gets to step into a world that she otherwise couldn’t.

What I like about escorting is that there is zero baggage or complications, passionate sex and intimacy and then you can go about your life as normal when the times up. Sometimes if there isn’t enough time to create a mental connection that you get from just sitting and chatting with someone, that’s can be a little unfulfilling I suppose. To be honest they are both great 99% of the time.
 
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steve969696 said:
Again I like to Get fairly new girls. They don’t know the drill that well and I often explain it to them and end up suggesting price (escorts will immediately refuse and ghost u for what they feel is a lowball. But the non pros are happy with it.). But these girls do not think of themselves as escorts and u need to help them with that.
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Basically you’re saying that you like to take advantage of their naivety.(n)
 
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Hellotokyo69 said:
Not to kink shame or anything but I think you’re a little too into it my friend and like Mike mentioned earlier I think your concept of sugaring is just longer hours at a cheaper rate but an escort in every other sense of the word.
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well he may give this impression but also mentioned he flew 2 ladies from South America to London , that’s not exactly cheap . 2 hours per day on SA seems a bit unhealthy indeed, though (writes the guy who spends more on TAG! :D)

im more curious to know why @steve969696 posts about this on a Tokyo related site , looks like all his experiences are in different countries (not that its a problem of course, this topic is fairly global)
 
Hellotokyo69 said:
So having done both there are pros and cons to each, what I like about sugaring is that you have an opportunity to connect with some amazing people and go on great dates, pick and choose easier but what I don’t like is the emotional baggage. Also when you’re establishing a new SD/SB relationship its such a turn off when the guy wants to take you on shit dates, like Torikizoku. I think the sugaring should elevate your life in some way. The guy gets a hot young lady and the girl gets to step into a world that she otherwise couldn’t.

What I like about escorting is that there is zero baggage or complications, passionate sex and intimacy and then you can go about your life as normal when the times up. Sometimes if there isn’t enough time to create a mental connection that you get from just sitting and chatting with someone, that’s can be a little unfulfilling I suppose. To be honest they are both great 99% of the time.
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Thanks for your feedback, always interesting to hear from the other siiiiiiide (Adele fan here)
 
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MikeH said:
To put it nicer he is using the inefficiency of the market to create added value to himself. :cool:



I am guessing the reason is the same than for all of us; bragging. :p
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true I love to brag but I don’t do it on a London or Paris or NYC site... I suppose he travels often to Tokyo too

and as for market inefficiencies, don’t worry, it works both ways!
 
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So unfortunately I don’t know how to do that thing some of u are doing replying to many threads at once, so I will just try to respond to several recent thoughts.

First of all I would like to thank @Hellotokyo69 for her perspective. This is the only forum I participate in where u get the girl perspective and participation also and I like this.

Unfortunately when I used to actively participate here a year or so ago I was getting my wrist slapped for doing overly positive comments about *** girls and frankly I was soured by this since I was just trying to help. So I left the forum.

I came last back last week just to peek and discovered the whole Nanpa culture piece and then started catching up. Of course the SB thread caught my eye because of my experience here and u guys launched me into it a year ago so I wanted to give back.
 
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steve969696 said:
I was soured by this since I was just trying to help. So I left the forum.
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We are sorry that you don't agree with our business policies, but you are welcome to participate while abiding by the standards that all members here follow.

Thank you.
 
I don’t want to hijack this thread with my personal situation but in brief, with a sexless marriage for 20+ years, my happiness largely hinges on my second life. I am lucky to travel extensively for work and when not traveling I am deeply researching/engaging for my next trip. Might not be for everyone but it works for me!
 
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We are sorry that you don't agree with our business policies, but you are welcome to participate while abiding by the standards that all members here follow.

Thank you.
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Thanks. And I DO appreciate that u actively monitor and try to make the forum better. I am back — this is a good group of follks — and hope to contribute as I can.
 
steve969696 said:
Thanks. And I DO appreciate that u actively monitor and try to make the forum better. I am back — this is a good group of follks — and hope to contribute as I can.
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Thanks for your consideration.
 
I do like Sugaring.. It’s more personal immediately vs more sexual immediately. There’s a lot more social time involved which can be quite nice.

But if you’re a caring human being without a lot of time it’s exhausting both physically and mentally

The meet and greets are fun and all but it takes a lot of time. Most girls are nice but are looking for “The One” single sugar relationship for at least a medium/long term basis.

Secondly, you’re going to find a lot of time wasted with ghosting, flakiness, changing wants and scheduling on top of that. It’s a part time and often temporary thing.

The final one is the worst but pops up only in snippets everywhere - since it is a form of dating you learn about people’s lives and these are all “less fortunate” than those that make a better living and are capable of sugaring.
 
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As to the question of “taking advantage” and “just getting it more cheaply”....

Of course maybe I am just rationalizing, which we humans are experts at, but I feel I am taking advantage of the SITUATION but not taking advantage of the GIRL. The situation is that some girls are quite happy to go out with a non objectionable and charming guy to a nice dinner and drinks and have sex if they like him (and get $400). And I am very happy to take advantage of that situation. The newer girls in fact seem quite grateful to have met a nice guy who will show them the ropes. The fact that the girls remain in touch and want to see me again seems to confirm that they don’t feel team advantage of. My only concern honestly is that it goes so well they lower their defenses and get taken advantage of by someone not so nice.

As to getting it more cheaply —- absolutely! There is no way I am paying an escort $400/hour to eat dinner I paid for! In fact tho I think escorts may be missing an opportunity here (other than those that see guy after guy and are therefor fully booked). Would I pay $50-100 an hour for the dinner and drinks part and $400 for the sex to be with a truly great GFE girl (who makes me believe the entire evening she thinks I am awesome)? Yeah I think I would. But the idea that I should be paying the same price to wine and dine u on my dime and to have sex with u is frankly outlandish.
 
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steve969696 said:
As to getting it more cheaply —- absolutely! There is no way I am paying an escort $400/hour to eat dinner I paid for! In fact tho I think escorts may be missing an opportunity here (other than those that see guy after guy and are therefor fully booked). Would I pay $50-100 an hour for the dinner and drinks part and $400 for the sex to be with a truly great GFE girl (who makes me believe the entire evening she thinks I am awesome)? Yeah I think I would. But the idea that I should be paying the same price to wine and dine u on my dime and to have sex with u is frankly outlandish.
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Frequently, I’ve found girls that like it, have a social time rate at exactly the kind of numbers that you’re talking about but there is less qualification involved about whether there’s bed time play afterwards (ie. 100% vs 90% chance)

For anyone reasonably personable and even mildly attractive male for a full date experience sugaring is definitely less expensive but WAY more time consuming!
 
steve969696 said:
AThe situation is that some girls are quite happy to go out with a non objectionable and charming guy to a nice dinner and drinks and have sex if they like him (and get $400).
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It's true that when you put it that way it doesn't sound like a good deal to you anymore. :D As there are many girls who are quite happy to go out even with a non-charming guy to have a nice dinner and drinks and then have sex with him without any money changing hands. :cool:

In fact tho I think escorts may be missing an opportunity here
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I think you have just not studied the market in Japan well enough as there are a lot of independent escorts and even more shops that cater exactly what you are proposing. Many shops have "Dinner Courses" that for example give you a couple of hours in public and then couple more in private; and with the prices you proposed.

All in all there is no strict like between an escort, a sugar baby or even a friend with benefits. Rather there is a sliding scale where you spend different amounts of money and time to get the desired results.
 
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In sugaring, I basically looked for a vanilla friend who has something (talent, activity etc.) worth supporting financially. Stupid me, but I took SA's ad at face value. I could meet a few amazing ladies, mostly artists and activists, whom I wouldn't have met in my business and social circle. I didn't want to meet them just for intimacy, but it turned out to be difficult - spending hours for a platonic date with someone whom you can't get along with was a torture for both sides. One SB plainly put it "I just wanna fuck and go..." I still occasionally meet a few SBs, but I will be probably out of sugaring when those relationships come to ends.
 
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steve969696 said:
So unfortunately I don’t know how to do that thing some of u are doing replying to many threads at once, so I will just try to respond to several recent thoughts.

First of all I would like to thank @Hellotokyo69 for her perspective. This is the only forum I participate in where u get the girl perspective and participation also and I like this.

Unfortunately when I used to actively participate here a year or so ago I was getting my wrist slapped for doing overly positive comments about *** girls and frankly I was soured by this since I was just trying to help. So I left the forum.

I came last back last week just to peek and discovered the whole Nanpa culture piece and then started catching up. Of course the SB thread caught my eye because of my experience here and u guys launched me into it a year ago so I wanted to give back.
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ah yes I remember now... well the agency you mentioned has not been kind to TAG so no reason for TAG to be kind to them , but I can understand how it could confuse a new member.

as for your answer regarding “taking advantage of young SBs” I kinda agree with you , even if the others are right to mention escorts often have social time rates which are lower than the sexual time ones... overall it’s still usually more expensive with an escort, you feel more constrained by the clock, and quite frankly some escorts are just not that great at being “social” (some SBs too by the way but since you pay for “a date” not “x time at x rate plus y time at y rate” you kinda feel its less of an issue)

big difference also with escorting is that the SB can pick and choose in advance , as mentioned by Hellotokyo69. That by itself has value for ladies who think the appearance and personality of the guy are important, so it’s slightly closer to normal dating in that sense (and I don’t make any judgment about whether this is “right” or “wrong”)
 
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I do like Sugaring.. It’s more personal immediately vs more sexual immediately. There’s a lot more social time involved which can be quite nice.

But if you’re a caring human being without a lot of time it’s exhausting both physically and mentally

The meet and greets are fun and all but it takes a lot of time. Most girls are nice but are looking for “The One” single sugar relationship for at least a medium/long term basis.

Secondly, you’re going to find a lot of time wasted with ghosting, flakiness, changing wants and scheduling on top of that. It’s a part time and often temporary thing.

The final one is the worst but pops up only in snippets everywhere - since it is a form of dating you learn about people’s lives and these are all “less fortunate” than those that make a better living and are capable of sugaring.
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good points but I’m not sure I get the last one... does it come at a surprise for you that SBs are indeed less fortunate than SDs ? That’s the whole point of sugaring isn’t it?
Ok I know one exception : ValentinesQueen, whose dad was richer than me - but it was her dad, not herself - and so she did not even ask for money , just being flown and chauffeured and wined and dined, but she was clearly a special case.
Normally the “more fortunates with money” give to the “more fortunates with looks and youth”, thats just what the whole thing is
 
I’ve been seeing escorts quite a bit as of late, and it is an enjoyable experience else I would not be doing it so much. I recently started sugaring. So far all we have done is one very intense session in a love hotel. Pretty much an escort at this point, but we do plan on going out just for the sake of going out. I do miss being in a relationship, but I am reticent about getting too close. When you have lost someone it is hard to get back up on that horse.
 
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IchigoDave said:
I’ve been seeing escorts quite a bit as of late, and it is an enjoyable experience else I would not be doing it so much. I recently started sugaring. So far all we have done is one very intense session in a love hotel. Pretty much an escort at this point, but we do plan on going out just for the sake of going out.
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Are you paying her per meetup or a “steady paycheck”? (for lack of a better term). I mean is the payment regardless of meeting or not, or just if and when you meet up?
 
Merica said:
Are you paying her per meetup or a “steady paycheck”? (for lack of a better term). I mean is the payment regardless of meeting or not, or just if and when you meet up?
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As of now we are still In the pay per meeting stage. Could it progress further? Yes. I am nervous about that though. Am I really ready for something like this? It is a relationship brought about by money, but a relationship nonetheless. She also reminds me a lot of my wife, and that is both good and bad.
 
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