TAG WARS: RISE OF THE FUCKTARDS (Overtourism and TAG 2025)

Yeah, when the stock market drops 7 percents per day you suddenly don't feel that wealthy anymore. First thing people cut is travelling.
You'd say that but prices have soared everywhere since right after the pandemic but so has the over tourism.
If anything people take a break in Japan from how expensive their home country is.
 
You'd say that but prices have soared everywhere since right after the pandemic but so has the over tourism.
If anything people take a break in Japan from how expensive their home country is.
Or, the train I've been on since Trump 1: "I'm here for a good time, not a long time"

and I don't even live in the US
 
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I heard about the overtourism for the first time while talking to a co-worker a few months ago when I decided to go to Tokyo for vacation since I will be in that part of the world during that time. Might as well go to the place that I've always dreamed of going if I'm already in East Asia. He was telling me how you pretty much have to line up and reserve everything or else I'll be waiting for hours. I'm not sure how true that actually is or if it was just an exaggeration.
 
I heard about the overtourism for the first time
Sweet summer child.

He was telling me how you pretty much have to line up and reserve everything or else I'll be waiting for hours. I'm not sure how true that actually is or if it was just an exaggeration.
Depends on what you want to do. But spring can be pretty bad and the most touristly places could very well be like that. Reservations are always a good idea.
 
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I heard about the overtourism for the first time while talking to a co-worker a few months ago when I decided to go to Tokyo for vacation since I will be in that part of the world during that time. Might as well go to the place that I've always dreamed of going if I'm already in East Asia. He was telling me how you pretty much have to line up and reserve everything or else I'll be waiting for hours. I'm not sure how true that actually is or if it was just an exaggeration.
There are only a few things you have to make a reservation for, like skytree, Ghibli museum and popular soaps tbh
 
in response to the topic itself:
at this point, i have just resigned japan is going to become a multi cultural place due to the diaspora of tourists and foreign residents making there way into here.

the japan of old is dead, and those that glimpsed it in the pandemic, were treated with the last hurrah before it said bye.

at this point in my life i dont mind that though since i frequently go abroad to live for long periods before coming back for a bit, and prefer it to that anyways as i like party culture and the element of being able to speak to people that know my experiences more especially in queer communities that find their way over here. japan lost its mystique to me long ago with residence, so i dont mind this change anymore. isolationism, and the feeling of special or whatever some people have for their japan experience is.... quickly, becoming a dying stance, and i am happy for it. its not special, and it really never was. so i feel whatever about it. i think japan should be for everyone to experience, and i also think japan should allow for more ways for integration of people into it. its one of the only free countries in the world with such good infrastructure with train systems, so i would like to see it do away with more draconian laws and become a better place to live once they become wholly reliant on a tourist economy that needs to pander to more elements of freedom, while also keeping rigid order on face value that japan is known for to at least give it a good face, while having a carnal back alley of fun things to do.

its just a place to live, and is quickly becoming also a good destination for people to visit, so may as well embrace it for new qualities such as the alternatives in night life and events outside of that this brings on by japan becoming an international destination. this is good for workers of the night too, because then you can charge higher prices which are equivalent with earnings in their home country since these people who have money are coming in with higher frequency, and you can stand more firmly on your price and your value in these cases. so its actually pretty good for the night life actually.
 
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The LAST thing I want is for Japan to go the homogenization route and become like the west. I've seen this happen many times, including my own country and every year you lose more and more of your identity and become a shell of your former individualization, values and tradition.

Sure, Japan isn't what it used to be regarding a lot of fronts, heck even compared to last year, but there is still value and traditionalism in all aspects of life, good and bad.

I may be a tourist that only visits once a year, but to me Japan WAS special and still is. To a lot of people, this dream still exists and like hell i want to see it die. I don't care that i will never be Japanese, I wouldn't want to be. I value their tradition and values over my own personal greed to be one of them, I have my own identity and im fine with that.

Sure, tourist and influencers are eroding the country, and the politics, economy and work life dont help and can use some change but id rather the country dies like the last samurai, having giving his all, broken on the battlefield, fought for his very soul and ideas, over becoming a servant and slave to the west or China.
 
its a great theory youre saying here, but as someone thats been off and on here for quite a while.. ive conceded grounds clearly with changes in my life, and stopped caring the more i mellowed out since i often travel nowadays.

totally get those that still feel this, i just feel its an older mentality that....

for that same feeling i saw people really experience into the height of the 2010s, i would recommend even places like china or elsewhere that may be still rooted in that and like traditional and conservative values.

japan has always been a bit colonized by the usa after wwII, so it has already been going the route of this trend long ago and now its on its own trajectory now the usa lost its touch on that pulse. in fact many of the rooted problematic things in japan, are based off of colonial rule after occupation by forces here, so some observed traditions arent even eastern, its just a different cultural zeitgest. so whatever the next thing is, or rather i think in this case, those that are disenfranchised by seeing a future in investing longterm in the usa, sees a different kind of habital future with japan investments that may reel in and change things overall in terms of living for all, including the foreign residents that will come along with these companies.

its kind of been fastly outpaced when it languished in technology then, and gave way its foothold on technology advancement from the 2000s, and really hasnt grown since.. so with investments and things streaming in more and more, and foreign resident areas packing more and more bolster, its kind of clear it would be taken over by western influences while piggybacking off of the good graces of japanese culture and of course, infrastucture..

downsides include yes those rebellious influencers with their youtubing content and various obtrusive reel attention seeking stuff, but the good thing is japan will remain largely a japan resident country, so social values such as rigorous rules of behavior of keeping to oneself, i feel at least that should be one of the few things that stay as well as the cleanliness observed by many in terms of the streets being sanitary.


im personally all for japan to have more tech-infrastructure in it, its been trapped in the 2000s-90s tech-infrastructure for a bit and is being outpaced like places in china already. the cities are comparable, if not better in some ways than tokyo besides for personal freedoms. and i think the only way is when people like buffet and others double down their investment and presence here, (which they are doing). so its definitely going to lose some luster, but the societal values that are worth keeping will probably be maintained, while the others that are outdated and holding the country back, will be pressured to be removed by the growing influences of western investment and resettlement here with capital being moved around in the forms of capitulation to make it more comfortable for the new growing ruling class.


i mean one look at roppongi, these western companies keep coming in and pouring more money into things, and anyone thats been back and forth in that area can clearly see that and especially even other areas, are significantly improving and growing from that investment. so some residents currently from periods before heavy flow of investments coming in, will be left behind a bit by these kinds of folks coming in yes... so there is definitely a piece of japan disappearing with more and more people like that coming in and changing the feel of things.
 
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In a strange sense I feel like the foreigners actually brought the old Japan back, especially post pandemic.
Not talking about people who come for the food, but while Japanese people graduated from fashion styles because of age and the new generation got bland af, foreigners still haven't given up on all the cool fashion styles that once were and still support the old music classics.
Where most Japanese are quick to go with the trends and laugh at the old stuff, people who started to like Japan for the pop culture keep holding on and I love that and appreciate that for us.
Even Shein, young Japanese kids who wear what used to be Harajuku and Shibuya fashion just get it on Shein nowadays.
 
its a great theory youre saying here, but as someone thats been off and on here for quite a while.. ive conceded grounds clearly with changes in my life, and stopped caring the more i mellowed out since i often travel nowadays.

totally get those that still feel this, i just feel its an older mentality that....

for that same feeling i saw people really experience into the height of the 2010s, i would recommend even places like china or elsewhere that may be still rooted in that and like traditional and conservative values.

japan has always been a bit colonized by the usa after wwII, so it has already been going the route of this trend long ago and now its on its own trajectory now the usa lost its touch on that pulse. in fact many of the rooted problematic things in japan, are based off of colonial rule after occupation by forces here, so some observed traditions arent even eastern, its just a different cultural zeitgest. so whatever the next thing is, or rather i think in this case, those that are disenfranchised by seeing a future in investing longterm in the usa, sees a different kind of habital future with japan investments that may reel in and change things overall in terms of living for all, including the foreign residents that will come along with these companies.

its kind of been fastly outpaced when it languished in technology then, and gave way its foothold on technology advancement from the 2000s, and really hasnt grown since.. so with investments and things streaming in more and more, and foreign resident areas packing more and more bolster, its kind of clear it would be taken over by western influences while piggybacking off of the good graces of japanese culture and of course, infrastucture..

downsides include yes those rebellious influencers with their youtubing content and various obtrusive reel attention seeking stuff, but the good thing is japan will remain largely a japan resident country, so social values such as rigorous rules of behavior of keeping to oneself, i feel at least that should be one of the few things that stay as well as the cleanliness observed by many in terms of the streets being sanitary.


im personally all for japan to have more tech-infrastructure in it, its been trapped in the 2000s-90s tech-infrastructure for a bit and is being outpaced like places in china already. the cities are comparable, if not better in some ways than tokyo besides for personal freedoms. and i think the only way is when people like buffet and others double down their investment and presence here, (which they are doing). so its definitely going to lose some luster, but the societal values that are worth keeping will probably be maintained, while the others that are outdated and holding the country back, will be pressured to be removed by the growing influences of western investment and resettlement here with capital being moved around in the forms of capitulation to make it more comfortable for the new growing ruling class.


i mean one look at roppongi, these western companies keep coming in and pouring more money into things, and anyone thats been back and forth in that area can clearly see that and especially even other areas, are significantly improving and growing from that investment. so some residents currently from periods before heavy flow of investments coming in, will be left behind a bit by these kinds of folks coming in yes... so there is definitely a piece of japan disappearing with more and more people like that coming in and changing the feel of things.
Yeah, it has its good and its bad points and there is nothing any of us can do about it but ill lament it all the same. Sadly thats all we can do. Im not that old yet, but things from my childhood are already gone or twisted all the same, values and festivals i grew up with removed or altered to comply to a vocal minority that aren't even from my own country.

I'd hate to see it happen to Japan as well, cause i can already see that if the rules are gonna get more lax, less people will make an effort to uphold them. Learning the language and the culture will become an after thought. Demands from outside sources will continue to escalate, uprooting the values from the inside out.

Is it all bad? No i dont think so. Increase in technology, income, changes to work culture, fashion, bluntness can all be a good thing.

We, the foreigners, also have some obligations to appreciate the culture and adapt to the environment of the country you're visiting. Follow the rules, be polite, learn the language and keep it alive yourself.
 
yeah... that's my hope too, that at the very least societal norms that are good are observed and pushed in people to maintain but the bullshit ones especially stuff holding back industries such as what this site about and other related industries, are removed. I think that's something we will see more of, but it takes enough people here and enough money being put into sleazy politician pockets to suddenly change it. Usually when change like that happens though it's very random and that's my hope they'll do away with. It's make my life so much easier.
 
Personally I think it's been all downhill ever since admiral Perry's black ships.
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stuff holding back industries such as what this site about and other related industries, are removed
Sadly the sex industry is getting massively cracked down on compared to the past because of all that social justice BS and too many people who got themselves in a bad spot complaining to authorities.
Every young alternative boy used to do some scout baito when I first came to Japan and now the authorities are wiping out the scout business.
And to think that at some point in time you could build brand new soaplands and space themed love hotels but then Tokyo passed a reform that forced love hotels to rebrand into the bland "spa resort" BS instead of cool themed rooms and mirrors.

Political correctness is killing the sex industry, not helping us.

Of course there has been some real good progress in adjusting laws that were pretty dated in other fields though.
 
I'm seriously wondering if the current US situation will end the over tourism though. People who lived off their stock may not be able to come anymore for a while. And economies everywhere and plunging. :(
 
I'm seriously wondering if the current US situation will end the over tourism though. People who lived off their stock may not be able to come anymore for a while. And economies everywhere and plunging. :(
Did a lot of people sell their investments to take a vacation? Seems like a foolish financial move.

While a recession will definitely hit the tourism sector, I personally think the biggest hit will come from a devaluation of the USD. The RMB is pinned to a certain USD exchange by the government, meaning that a USD devaluation will also result in the RMB losing purchasing power versus the JPY. If Japan gets just 10-20% more expensive to Chinese people, that's going to be a lot less tourists.
 
Did a lot of people sell their investments to take a vacation? Seems like a foolish financial move.

While a recession will definitely hit the tourism sector, I personally think the biggest hit will come from a devaluation of the USD. The RMB is pinned to a certain USD exchange by the government, meaning that a USD devaluation will also result in the RMB losing purchasing power versus the JPY. If Japan gets just 10-20% more expensive to Chinese people, that's going to be a lot less tourists.
People who are already retired for example don't have much choice.
Also some people just use their stock profits for play and their salary for the essentials.

I'm not seeing a lot of mainland Chinese tourists anyway for some reason (maybe they're only into JAV stars) so that's personally fine with me, US would be the biggest hit for me tbh.
 
Selling investments? Maybe not, but piling on credit card debt or spending instead of saving, yes. I think any run up of the yen vs USD will have a widespread impact for the reasons noted.
 
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I'm seriously wondering if the current US situation will end the over tourism though. People who lived off their stock may not be able to come anymore for a while. And economies everywhere and plunging. :(
Well it has only been a few days, things could turn around quickly but if im being honest this feels like more of a long term recession even if Trump was ousted right now

Plenty of people will still visit as long as they stay employed, those who can afford to visit Japan in the first place tend to be able to afford it fairly easily

but discretionary spending for fun activities will probably take a hit... I know I would scale back personally but im not quite there just yet
 
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For stocks, one way my old man does it is dividend stocks. Basically you get paid a certain percentage each year like interest, so if you are a boomer with like couple mil worth of stocks or more you can basically live off of it from the free money each year.

Downside of course is if the stock market goes to shit so does your retirement so don't put all of your money into one place lol.
 
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For stocks, one way my old man does it is dividend stocks. Basically you get paid a certain percentage each year like interest, so if you are a boomer with like couple mil worth of stocks or more you can basically live off of it from the free money each year.

Downside of course is if the stock market goes to shit so does your retirement so don't put all of your money into one place lol.
That's why you should probably have some stuff shored up in bonds that (in normal times) are a bit more stable. Still, don't play around with money you're not willing to just lose is my 2c