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The same could and has been said about calling women spinners, guys hunks and generally paying anyone to have sex with you. And still here we all are, in a internet board dedicated to just that.

But I guess it has been several hours now when we last had the discussion about "a few people here on TAG, who think it’s acceptable or even entertaining to be rude" so obviously we all have forgotten it already.

This thread is on the forum called "Nampa/PUA". I would humbly recommend that all people who don't feel that subject to be acceptable would refrain from reading that forum for their own peace of mind.

Of course if you really think someone advocates rape or physically harming other people then your civic duty is to report that post and let the fine management of this board to handle it.

I wish I could like this more than once. MikeH with the ultimate wisdom. It's a pattern at this point.

And yeah, you don't see me going to the (vast rest of the board) to criticize everybody else here, even though I could very easily say "if you guys were so good with women you wouldn't have to pay."

I suggest that if it's a world you don't really know about, take some time to understand.

If you think I'm not there being the "catcher in the rye" to other dudes who are otherwise frustrated and incel-seque and showing them healthy and beneficial ways to interact with women then you haven't thought this through. We're all on the same side in my mind- the side that wants men to do well (naturally) with women and not feel alienated and alone.

If you pay for women because you want to, then great. But if you pay for them because you HAVE to then I'm just suggesting there's another way. (It's not easy tho)
 
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I'm certainly not saying this to try and be "entertaining". I think it's a dangerous way to encourage people to act sometimes. We live in a society where sexual harassment is rife and I feel that posts like this only advocate that. Paying someone for sex is different, both parties are fully aware and willing as oppose to trying to coerce someone into accepting potentially unwanted advances.

In general think it's great to try and coach people on how to have better social skills and be more confident, I just think some of that is lost here. The moment I'm alone with a guy I might not appreciate him whipping his junk out and then if I say no have him be persistent.

Instead of "target" you could use the word "love interest" as it has a more positive connotation.
 
I'm certainly not saying this to try and be "entertaining". I think it's a dangerous way to encourage people to act sometimes. We live in a society where sexual harassment is rife and I feel that posts like this only advocate that. Paying someone for sex is different, both parties are fully aware and willing as oppose to trying to coerce someone into accepting potentially unwanted advances.

In general think it's great to try and coach people on how to have better social skills and be more confident, I just think some of that is lost here. The moment I'm alone with a guy I might not appreciate him whipping his junk out and then if I say no have him be persistent.

Instead of "target" you could use the word "love interest" as it has a more positive connotation.

Show me sexual harassment and I'll help fight it. But your complaints seem pretty vague to me. I'm not sure what specifically you object to.

And "love interest" doesn't really capture the right vibe... No idea if I want to love them or just hook up... Or even just be friends. Target communicates more, faster IMO. With language, efficiency is key
 
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And "love interest" doesn't really capture the right vibe... No idea if I want to love them or just hook up... Or even just be friends. Target communicates more, faster IMO. With language, efficiency is key
Yeah love interest is a bit strong to reference a stranger as. Although not as concise, how about “person of interest.” Lol.
 
And yeah, you don't see me going to the (vast rest of the board) to criticize everybody else here, even though I could very easily say "if you guys were so good with women you wouldn't have to pay."
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Yeah you could say it and you would be right most of the time. I could also say I pay coz I have no patience and no time for nanpa, I have a big wallet ... and you’re broke AF. How does that sound to you ?

But that’s not the point at all. I actually found your initial «ad » (in case new members here don’t know, you provide nanpa coaching for a fee) entertaining and even accurate most of the time.

What I cannot accept is the implications of those « what they say is not what they think » or « when alone show them the penis it’s what they want » and all that crap. Whether its true or not depends on the girl and the situation, but you make it sound like its a generality. That’s why I wanted to confirm your thinking when I asked what do you do when a girl says no... and frankly I didnt like your answer. Even if some ladies say « だめ » but mean « fuck me » I bet you it’s a clear minority. So better to assume No means No.
And you should teach that instead of insinuating the opposite.

I am an unashamed perv but also a teenage girl’s dad. If someday one selfprofessed « nanpa king » tries your approaches (or similar) on her and goes way too far, I swear the scumbag will really know hell isnt such a bad place to be compared to what he’ll get from me.

That’s all. Apart from that I’m sure you are a nice guy and I would be even happy to chat with you about this around a few beers.
 
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« when alone show them the penis it’s what they want » and all that crap.

I do agree that would be a total crap and really terrible. That's why it is good nobody has ever suggested anything like that. Please re-read that chapter, there is no suggestions of "whipping his dick out" or "show them the penis".

Instead what was said in the original ad can be said with also my motto "a gentleman is always ready to help a damsel in distress". In other words is the girl wants to have sex your job is to provide it.

I am a strong supported of the "No means no" camp and probably have missed several opportunities because of that too. And will in the future too. But as far as I see the only thing you need to do if OP or his students tries to pick you up is to walk away. He has never preached anything but talking to the girls. And if an adult woman whispers "dame" but leans over to kiss you I think that means "win me over".

But if someone does something to your teenage girl that she doesn't like then you can call me any time of the day or the night and I will be more than happy to join you. And I do mean that literally. Still I am sure that guy will not be any of OP's students but just some scumbag you can spot daily in front of any major train station.
 
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I'm certainly not saying this to try and be "entertaining". I think it's a dangerous way to encourage people to act sometimes. We live in a society where sexual harassment is rife and I feel that posts like this only advocate that. Paying someone for sex is different, both parties are fully aware and willing as oppose to trying to coerce someone into accepting potentially unwanted advances.

In general think it's great to try and coach people on how to have better social skills and be more confident, I just think some of that is lost here. The moment I'm alone with a guy I might not appreciate him whipping his junk out and then if I say no have him be persistent.

Instead of "target" you could use the word "love interest" as it has a more positive connotation.
Good comment. All we have to do is google “nanpa schools” and a bunch of articles about young Japanese men being arrested for rape will show up. So for me, nanpa schools and coaching has such a negative image and only associated with sexual harassment and rape.
 
I could also say I pay coz I have no patience and no time for nanpa, I have a big wallet ... and you’re broke AF. How does that sound to you ?

Sure you could say that. And it would be the case that most guys interested in nanpa, often being in their 20s, are going to be less well off than the average monger who are often married/older... But I have taught many guys with big wallets.. some perhaps bigger than yours? Not sure, never met you so don't know but would be surprised. Either way money is not the only or even main deciding factor when it comes to who wants to organically meet women and succeed more with the ones they like.

What I cannot accept is the implications of those « what they say is not what they think » or « when alone show them the penis it’s what they want » and all that crap. Whether its true or not depends on the girl and the situation, but you make it sound like its a generality. That’s why I wanted to confirm your thinking when I asked what do you do when a girl says no... and frankly I didnt like your answer. Even if some ladies say « だめ » but mean « fuck me » I bet you it’s a clear minority. So better to assume No means No.
And you should teach that instead of insinuating the opposite.

I guess you haven't seen Japanese porn then.... :D

We live in an age where people are very quick to virtually lynch someone over a tweet (sometimes years old) or implications based on one (often distorted) part of a larger whole and everybody is out to play "gotcha" and corner someone and shame them for having the wrong position or force them to apologize.

By and large I think guys are good and operate with good intentions and for the most part listen to and have girls' best interests at heart. In my experience, guys who tend to find my information are usually farther on the side of inaction rather than going too far and crossing the boundaries (though both exist and I try to address both issues... the latter is far less common though). They decide in their head that this subtle movement of the girls' legs means she's not interested, or the fact that she isn't touching his arm means X or what she is or isn't doing with her hair means Y.

The point I was making was, rather than try to be psychic, simply assume that if she has entered a private space with you, especially your house or a hotel, that she is generally interested in you, and you should try to make a move. In other words, if she's in isolation with you, make the move! Then you listen to her. Listen to her words, but also, listen to her body. Is she slightly opening her legs as she says "dame"? Is she making no effort to leave despite telling her she's perfectly free to at any time?

I think there's a kind of casual sexism that men like to apply to women via attacks on nanpa guys (some of whom I don't agree with the methods of anyway!) and it goes like this:

You slobby pickup artists are MANIPULATING women and NOT LISTENING to them and it's because you're SOCIALLY AWKWARD and uncalibrated and have no success with women the "normal" way and that's why you have to do all this weird creepy stuff that is PULLING A FAST ONE over them and otherwise TRICKING them.

Which of course implies that women are stupid, easily manipulated, easily deceived, and incapable of defending themselves and incapable of expressing themselves.

And... I don't know what women you've been meeting but in my experience they are none of these things. As long as you have the ability to listen to her on a DEEP level, there are no issues and women by and large are fairly good at simply leaving if they are uncomfortable. ANY physical restraint or use of force is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I go as far to regularly and actively tell girls they can leave at any time, and to tell me if they feel uncomfortable. Give them the safety valve, the escape route (and respect it of course). Then proceed!

I am an unashamed perv but also a teenage girl’s dad. If someday one selfprofessed « nanpa king » tries your approaches (or similar) on her and goes way too far, I swear the scumbag will really know hell isnt such a bad place to be compared to what he’ll get from me.

Self professed usually means the person themselves has professed that.
 
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Good comment. All we have to do is google “nanpa schools” and a bunch of articles about young Japanese men being arrested for rape will show up. So for me, nanpa schools and coaching has such a negative image and only associated with sexual harassment and rape.

All we have to do is Google "prostitute" and a bunch of articles about johns murdering girls or international sex trafficking and underage brothels comes up.
 
Sure you could say that. And it would be the case that most guys interested in nanpa, often being in their 20s, are going to be less well off than the average monger who are often married/older... But I have taught many guys with big wallets.. some perhaps bigger than yours? Not sure, never met you so don't know but would be surprised. Either way money is not the only or even main deciding factor when it comes to who wants to organically meet women and succeed more with the ones they like.



I guess you haven't seen Japanese porn then.... :D

We live in an age where people are very quick to virtually lynch someone over a tweet (sometimes years old) or implications based on one (often distorted) part of a larger whole and everybody is out to play "gotcha" and corner someone and shame them for having the wrong position or force them to apologize.

By and large I think guys are good and operate with good intentions and for the most part listen to and have girls' best interests at heart. In my experience, guys who tend to find my information are usually farther on the side of inaction rather than going too far and crossing the boundaries (though both exist and I try to address both issues... the latter is far less common though). They decide in their head that this subtle movement of the girls' legs means she's not interested, or the fact that she isn't touching his arm means X or what she is or isn't doing with her hair means Y.

The point I was making was, rather than try to be psychic, simply assume that if she has entered a private space with you, especially your house or a hotel, that she is generally interested in you, and you should try to make a move. In other words, if she's in isolation with you, make the move! Then you listen to her. Listen to her words, but also, listen to her body. Is she slightly opening her legs as she says "dame"? Is she making no effort to leave despite telling her she's perfectly free to at any time?

I think there's a kind of casual sexism that men like to apply to women via attacks on nanpa guys (some of whom I don't agree with the methods of anyway!) and it goes like this:

You slobby pickup artists are MANIPULATING women and NOT LISTENING to them and it's because you're SOCIALLY AWKWARD and uncalibrated and have no success with women the "normal" way and that's why you have to do all this weird creepy stuff that is PULLING A FAST ONE over them and otherwise TRICKING them.

Which of course implies that women are stupid, easily manipulated, easily deceived, and incapable of defending themselves and incapable of expressing themselves.

And... I don't know what women you've been meeting but in my experience they are none of these things. As long as you have the ability to listen to her on a DEEP level, there are no issues and women by and large are fairly good at simply leaving if they are uncomfortable. ANY physical restraint or use of force is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I go as far to regularly and actively tell girls they can leave at any time, and to tell me if they feel uncomfortable. Give them the safety valve, the escape route (and respect it of course). Then proceed!



Self professed usually means the person themselves has professed that.

Ok we’re all good then, but your words and answers sometimes sounded ambiguous on that topic and clearly I was not the only one sharing that impression. Case closed as far as I’m concerned. Good luck to your school.
Don’t get anywhere near my offspring :D
 
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I've had people approach me countless times cold in the street, on a train, while in a queue etc.. and I can tell you that not once I have welcomed this interaction. The only setting I think it's appropriate to approach a girl is in a bar or at a social event where you are expecting to talk to people. Otherwise it's intrusive. Ive just had a conversation with my girlfriends this morning to try and seek their opinion both foreign and Japanese and everyone said they don't enjoy it. Even if a guy is attractive probably a great person having a male stranger approach you when you are usually alone and not expecting it puts up some defence.

My advice would be to get a cute pet and take that out. The girls will come to you then.
 
I've had people approach me countless times cold in the street, on a train, while in a queue etc.. and I can tell you that not once I have welcomed this interaction. The only setting I think it's appropriate to approach a girl is in a bar or at a social event where you are expecting to talk to people. Otherwise it's intrusive. Ive just had a conversation with my girlfriends this morning to try and seek their opinion both foreign and Japanese and everyone said they don't enjoy it. Even if a guy is attractive probably a great person having a male stranger approach you when you are usually alone and not expecting it puts up some defence.

My advice would be to get a cute pet and take that out. The girls will come to you then.

Ah ah. Might be less expensive than a nampa seminar too :D
 
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Many of the principles @Sinapse puts forward would be lauded in a business setting. All but perhaps 6 and 9 could be taken right out of any corporate leadership curriculum. The point is nothing happens in business or personal if you mindlessly and passively accept the status quo put in front of you. I would go as far to say that if you are in any leadership position in business and accountable for growing it and you don’t adopt these kinds of principles, your career will likely be short lived indeed.

The societal double standards outside the office however deem you should keep your head down. Maybe play video games, eat your potato chips and McDonalds, binge on Netflix or online shopping, play with your iPhone 24/7 or whatnot. Who gets to decide this? The Matrix is not some fantasy story. Of course like in business, things illegal or which cause harm to others should not be accepted. However, a lot of what society says is “good and proper” roles for both men and women is bullshit. Those who participate here on TAG have already somewhat embraced that. I perceive what @Sinapse is saying is that these societal constructs can be challenged.

Personally, I feel the nampa lifestyle involves a helluva lot of time and energy for the pursuit of getting laid. But anyone could judge someone in the business world for the time and energy they put into the pure pursuit of making more money (than they probably really need anyway). I choose to judge neither case. But I do approve of those who at least consider that the constructed world around them is not what it seems. This is the start of being awake.
 
Many of the principles @Sinapse puts forward would be lauded in a business setting. All but perhaps 6 and 9 could be taken right out of any corporate leadership curriculum. The point is nothing happens in business or personal if you mindlessly and passively accept the status quo put in front of you. I would go as far to say that if you are in any leadership position in business and accountable for growing it and you don’t adopt these kinds of principles, your career will likely be short lived indeed.

The societal double standards outside the office however deem you should keep your head down. Maybe play video games, eat your potato chips and McDonalds, binge on Netflix or online shopping, play with your iPhone 24/7 or whatnot. Who gets to decide this? The Matrix is not some fantasy story. Of course like in business, things illegal or which cause harm to others should not be accepted. However, a lot of what society says is “good and proper” roles for both men and women is bullshit. Those who participate here on TAG have already somewhat embraced that. I perceive what @Sinapse is saying is that these societal constructs can be challenged.

Personally, I feel the nampa lifestyle involves a helluva lot of time and energy for the pursuit of getting laid. But anyone could judge someone in the business world for the time and energy they put into the pure pursuit of making more money (than they probably really need anyway). I choose to judge neither case. But I do approve of those who at least consider that the constructed world around them is not what it seems. This is the start of being awake.
Agreed, you need to be persistent , daring and even sometimes aggressive to get business.
But this is not about business, the same rules do not always apply.
If anything , for me at least this is partly about forgetting the stress and competition of business, don’t want to deal with the same kind of shit after office hours
 
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My advice would be to get a cute pet and take that out. The girls will come to you then.

I can witness that this approach works and it works really well. I used to dog sit friend's cute dog from time to time when I was a student here and girls would love him so much they even talked to me.

Of course I could go now and say these cold approaches were intrusive and not welcomed as I totally didn't invite any these interactions. I was just merely trying to have a dog take a shit on the park so I could go back home to drink beer.

So definitely we should not encourage random girls to talk to guys with cute pets, just leave them guys alone, no? :eek::D

But this is not about business, the same rules do not always apply.
If anything , for me at least this is partly about forgetting the stress and competition of business, don’t want to deal with the same kind of shit after office hours

I can appreciate you not liking it because there you are just talking about yourself. But I do believe many of the same rules do apply in trying to hook up as well as in trying to close a deal in business. You need to know what you want and then go for it. Especially if you are a guy you need to be somewhat assertive and sometimes take the lead both in business and in relationships.

But all in all I think we have now concluded that PUA guys are predatory and give rapey vibe, guys who use p4p are losers who cannot get sex without paying and sugar dating is misogynistic and demeaning to women (both Belgium and Singapore governments have announced the last one). And I am pretty sure everyone here in TAG takes part at least in one of the mentioned activities so shame on you all! (and if you are not then you are probably masturbating and that's a sin that takes you to hell so there).
 
I can witness that this approach works and it works really well. I used to dog sit friend's cute dog from time to time when I was a student here and girls would love him so much they even talked to me.

Of course I could go now and say these cold approaches were intrusive and not welcomed as I totally didn't invite any these interactions. I was just merely trying to have a dog take a shit on the park so I could go back home to drink beer.

So definitely we should not encourage random girls to talk to guys with cute pets, just leave them guys alone, no? :eek::D



I can appreciate you not liking it because there you are just talking about yourself. But I do believe many of the same rules do apply in trying to hook up as well as in trying to close a deal in business. You need to know what you want and then go for it. Especially if you are a guy you need to be somewhat assertive and sometimes take the lead both in business and in relationships.

But all in all I think we have now concluded that PUA guys are predatory and give rapey vibe, guys who use p4p are losers who cannot get sex without paying and sugar dating is misogynistic and demeaning to women (both Belgium and Singapore governments have announced the last one). And I am pretty sure everyone here in TAG takes part at least in one of the mentioned activities so shame on you all! (and if you are not then you are probably masturbating and that's a sin that takes you to hell so there).
Yeah we’re all doomed anyway...
i just hope you picked up the dog shit in the park but I have a feeling you didnt :D
 
My advice would be to get a cute pet and take that out. The girls will come to you then.

Can confirm. I once owned a ferret. That little fursnake was like a girl magnet...

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I've had people approach me countless times cold in the street, on a train, while in a queue etc.. and I can tell you that not once I have welcomed this interaction. The only setting I think it's appropriate to approach a girl is in a bar or at a social event where you are expecting to talk to people. Otherwise it's intrusive. Ive just had a conversation with my girlfriends this morning to try and seek their opinion both foreign and Japanese and everyone said they don't enjoy it. Even if a guy is attractive probably a great person having a male stranger approach you when you are usually alone and not expecting it puts up some defence.

My advice would be to get a cute pet and take that out. The girls will come to you then.
It’s all about context. If my eyes meet with a girl’s eyes, is there any opening? I have struck-up conversations with girls who were: lost tourists, wearing Grateful Dead t-shirts, attending same concert, riding same train, etc. I’ve never forced those conversations and if the reception was ever frosty, I smiled and moved on.
 
I dunno. Once I walked a friend’s chihuahua in Yoyogi park and when they saw us many girls were shouting « Kawaiii !! Kawaii !!!» but then I realized it was for the dog, not me . I was devastated :D

Yeah, it's terrible how you can't even walk outside without being harassed by young Japanese girls.

But the correct answer to the "Kawaii!" screams is to say "Thank you very much, and my dog is kind of cute too, don't you think?".
 
Can confirm. I once owned a ferret. That little fursnake was like a girl magnet...

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I was curious so googled « ferret as a pet » and really they seem like a big pain in the ass (stealing and hiding things etc) but maybe the article writer had a grudge
 
I was curious so googled « ferret as a pet » and really they seem like a big pain in the ass (stealing and hiding things etc) but maybe the article writer had a grudge

They always hide things in the same place, so it's not a big deal :)
 
They always hide things in the same place, so it's not a big deal :)
Ok so they’re dumb and lazy too. Sounds like my kind of ideal pet after all. I may try... at least a test drive in a « ferret café », it probably exists in Tokyo!:)
 
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