The Yoshiwara Soapland Resource Thread

[karokka]

I'll hate to break it to you but there is no shop, not even high end, that hires only girls that fit your description. Which doesn't mean the girls are unattractive since women can be attractive and experienced in their early 30s, and because adding 5 extra kg to your definition of thin would give much nicer boobs, which most Japanese guys would prefer over rail thin.

Your comment was one of the best information I have read.

I am coming from Russia, where the local gold standard is thin, young photographic model type. 19yrs / 1.80m / 63kg

Now in Japan I should understand more the local preference and supply.

The worst thing is to be searching forever for something that does not exist. Now I can adjust expectations for Yoshiwara. Thank you!

If you go to a shop, select girls with the age of 20, not more than 21, because they will always be a few years older than their given age but 20 should mean early 20s.
For size, take a royal 10cm or so off the waist size.

From what I read, it seems that the adjustment to interpret numbers usually is this

Interpretation of age
- add at around 10 years to the age announced with increasing adjustment.
Example:
20 yrs =approx 24yr
21 yrs =approx 27yr
22 yrs =approx 30yr
23 yts =approx 34yr
24 yrs =approx 38yr

Interpretation of body fat
- waist size 56 = slimmest girl you will find
- waist size 57 = some forum members could complain about extra fat but not a deal breaker
- waist size 58 = chubbylicious

Intepretation of face
I should do a big effort to ignore the photo when choosing the girl due to the photoshop effect. This is the case even in the most expensive shops.
Must just use photos as a very basic reference.

Does that seem correct?

 

[User#8628]

Your comment was one of the best information I have read.

I am coming from Russia, where the local gold standard is thin, young photographic model type. 19yrs / 1.80m / 63kg

Now in Japan I should understand more the local preference and supply.

The worst thing is to be searching forever for something that does not exist. Now I can adjust expectations for Yoshiwara. Thank you!



From what I read, it seems that the adjustment to interpret numbers usually is this

Interpretation of age
- add at around 10 years to the age announced with increasing adjustment.
Example:
20 yrs =approx 24yr
21 yrs =approx 27yr
22 yrs =approx 30yr
23 yts =approx 34yr
24 yrs =approx 38yr

Interpretation of body fat
- waist size 56 = slimmest girl you will find
- waist size 57 = some forum members could complain about extra fat but not a deal breaker
- waist size 58 = chubbylicious

Intepretation of face
I should do a big effort to ignore the photo when choosing the girl due to the photoshop effect. This is the case even in the most expensive shops.
Must just use photos as a very basic reference.

Does that seem correct?

This is generally correct, i believe.

 

[karokka]

dun be so fussy, i know you are paying a lot, but don't set high expectation else soapy is a no 4u.

Why I set a high expectation?

Because I am doing research and reading. I see a repeated story: around 50% of foreigners give a bad report after visiting Darling Harbor or King Club. The other 50% are very happy client.

When a positive report is posted, everyone applauds and there are other clients who confirm the experience was good with that particular girl.

And when a negative report is posted, there is always the reply of you get what you pay for. And then some generic comment that one should go for expensive 90k+ experience to have a true Japanese beauty with good service.

So I start to search where is this mythical 90k+ experience.

I am not rich. But I have saved budget to spend where it is REALLY GOOD. This is why I am reading everything and asking here

high end soap still photoshop like satin & LS, i been b4 that why i not keen to the shops anymore, whether 77k, 75k, 60k you get about the same, that why i don't to pay too high for nothing anymore
i not try above 90k, don't think you can find in yoshiwara, or you just being con

Slowly I am having the impression similar to yours. Going to a 77k may not be a guarantee to have better looking girls than going to a 50k place. It will depend a lot of luck.

About beauty and service.

Instead of average looks with amazing service. I prefer amazing looks with average service.

you can only find those super preium jav escort
good looking doesn't mean good service
if you want confirm same look, go for jav

Personaly I do not mind if the girl is famous or JAV.

 

[ah toh]

Last May i tried president club, the shop actually wanted to usher me to the room, but i only wanted 新堂有望 shindou but she only for japanese only, so i courteously shunt away.
Soap fees 15k, so shld be 65k for foreigner so i tried again last aug.
The shop guy ask whether i can speak japanese or not, i think that times the aunties available not able to speak english.
so president is a yes/no to foreigners but rotherbury is a confirm no.

 

[karokka]

I had a similar experience in Club Amour in Osaka. It is not really soapland, it is health with mat play.
Gaijin is okay but they really usher you to the room, it is a lot of hassle and they only give you the worst girl of the house and you have no possibility to change.

 

[User#8628]

So I start to search where is this mythical 90k+ experience

Not a good idea, there was another guy who tried to go to the most luxury soapland he could find. Ended up in Martini Rosso, relatively unexplored at that time, had a bad experience.

Kings club is really 50/50, too much of a gamble and too budget. Darling Harbor could be good, if you stick to the girls who have positive reviews.

For the other shops, i'd also stick to reviewed girls, or to girls who have done AV, most high class shops have a few.
One thing i don't know is how to see their videos because their soapland name is usually different than their actress name.

There is just not gonna be a shop with only underweight 19 years olds.

Dolce is a good shop for young girls but the girls are generally very plain.

I'd try for one of the luxury shops if i were you but just pick a girl who is reviewed or has done AV, or if you don't have that chance, at least stick to what you have learned about age and measurements.

 

[karokka]

Not a good idea, there was another guy who tried to go to the most luxury soapland he could find. Ended up in Martini Rosso, relatively unexplored at that time, had a bad experience..

Yep. I feel that most people who make comments like

–you should have gone to an expensive shop instead if you wanted mindblowing quality

Are generally people who never actually went to the so-called expensive shop and then fantasize about it being an out of this world experience

Some reviewers who actually went to the expensive shops seem to report it as a good experience, but not so different from other shops.

There could be a conspiracy theory that those who access to ultra exclusive clubs do not report at all. But if such a thing exists, then it is surely japanese-only and not worth bothering...

 

[User#8628]

Yep. I feel that most people who make comments like

–you should have gone to an expensive shop instead if you wanted mindblowing quality

Are generally people who never actually went to the so-called expensive shop and then fantasize about it being an out of this world experience

Some reviewers who actually went to the expensive shops seem to report it as a good experience, but not so different from other shops.

There could be a conspiracy theory that those who access to ultra exclusive clubs do not report at all. But if such a thing exists, then it is surely japanese-only and not worth bothering...

Like someone said before, there aren't really that many shops over 90.000 in Yoshiwara at all.

At top high end, Picasso may be foreigner friendly but i haven't seen any reviews, and the photos look photoshopped like everywhere else.

There is definitely a difference in girls at expensive shops and cheap shops though. A lot of plain looking girls initially join expensive shops but have to quit after a while because they don't pull customers, its quite a waste to go to work and have zero customers, cheap shops can get you more work.

So if you can get with a popular girl at an expensive shop, that would be a good sign, but the most popular ones are often booked already and not easily available for walk ins.

Also some girls at expensive shops pull their customers by offering no condom service, but they usually do not offer this to foreigners so a bit of a waste and unnecessary risk. Its hard to find out which girls do and don't because its often not clearly marked. This is a Yoshiwara only thing, places like Shinjuku and Kawasaki don't offer no condom but Kawasaki is not foreigner friendly and Shinjuku has only two high end shops.

 

[karokka]

So if you can get with a popular girl at an expensive shop, that would be a good sign, but the most popular ones are often booked already and not easily available for walk ins.

Here is the main obstacle for the foreigner.

I know I should not be delusional about the number of gaijin-friendly listed on page one of this thread. It may give the impression there is access to a lot of places, but the access can be very limited.

I can imagine going to many of the houses, arriving at the entrance with the staff respectully bowing in their knees and all the fake welcoming procedures until I agree to pay the fee.

Sometimes after they have money in their hands they are not so welcoming or nice anymore and become very pushy to only offer the girl they choose to me.

So, once they have the money, if I point to a photo of the desired girl, receive the answer that she is Japanese only or already booked. Or tencho giving his pushy suggestions to take some girl and resisting offering the girl I want.

My hope is to be able to negotiate in the entrance to first agree who will be the girl. Only after this is 100% agreed then I will enter the shop and pay.

However I know this strategy may not work and I can be rejected at the entrance if I insist.

I just do not want to lose my money if I pay first and then enter and be forced to be with a girl I do not want. It has happened to me before.

 

[Sudsy]

So, once they have the money, if I point to a photo of the desired girl, receive the answer that she is Japanese only or already booked.

Unless you are taking a "free" course where you allow the shop to select the girl for you, usually at a lower rate, the standard procedure pretty much everywhere is that you select the girl first, and money changes hands afterwards. This holds true from pink salons to fashion healths to soaplands. Soaplands especially, because some of the girls, such as popular AV stars, may actually have different rates from the other girls.

 

[User#8628]

Here is the main obstacle for the foreigner.

I know I should not be delusional about the number of gaijin-friendly listed on page one of this thread. It may give the impression there is access to a lot of places, but the access can be very limited.

I can imagine going to many of the houses, arriving at the entrance with the staff respectully bowing in their knees and all the fake welcoming procedures until I agree to pay the fee.

Sometimes after they have money in their hands they are not so welcoming or nice anymore and become very pushy to only offer the girl they choose to me.

So, once they have the money, if I point to a photo of the desired girl, receive the answer that she is Japanese only or already booked. Or tencho giving his pushy suggestions to take some girl and resisting offering the girl I want.

My hope is to be able to negotiate in the entrance to first agree who will be the girl. Only after this is 100% agreed then I will enter the shop and pay.

However I know this strategy may not work and I can be rejected at the entrance if I insist.

I just do not want to lose my money if I pay first and then enter and be forced to be with a girl I do not want. It has happened to me before.

Like, Sudsy says, this wont happen.
You come inside for free, they show you a few pictures with measurements and age most likely written on them, you select a girl (you can ask if certain girls who're not on the pictures will be available if you wait, but they may answer "she is full booked today" or "she doesn't see foreigners"), and THEN you pay.

You can NOT see the girl in person before paying and you can NOT get a refund after paying. But you will be able to select a specific girl before paying.


Also, Don Juan in Shinjuku has the option of in person selection!
They definitely have some lookers and don't require Japanese. Price is high for foreigners but doesn't seem to be your concern.
I'd recommend going there and asking if you can select a girl in person, however selection might be limited if its busy.
I actually went there and wrote a review. But i did not do in person selection because women can usually not go there and i pre arranged this with the girl. She is a MILF, maybe early 30s with a child but she's pretty and has a tight body. But i know they have some younger women on scedule as well and they value looks and service.

 

[karokka]

Thanks! It is a BIG relief to hear this!!!

I got this trauma from the experience in Osaka - Club Amour - yes I know it is not soapland, it is health with mat play.

But in Club Amour this is what happens. They are friendly and even show 4 different photos to choose.. until you pay. Then when they got your money it is total disaster. Your options disappear and you are forced to be with the girl they decide.

 

[ah toh]

they will return the money to me if they suddenly no able to have the girl for me
i have experience twice the guy give me back the money and ask if i wanted to choose again
tips is have a good relation wif the shops u like

 

[SatoKM]

Here is the main obstacle for the foreigner.

I know I should not be delusional about the number of gaijin-friendly listed on page one of this thread. It may give the impression there is access to a lot of places, but the access can be very limited.

I can imagine going to many of the houses, arriving at the entrance with the staff respectully bowing in their knees and all the fake welcoming procedures until I agree to pay the fee.

Sometimes after they have money in their hands they are not so welcoming or nice anymore and become very pushy to only offer the girl they choose to me.

So, once they have the money, if I point to a photo of the desired girl, receive the answer that she is Japanese only or already booked. Or tencho giving his pushy suggestions to take some girl and resisting offering the girl I want.

My hope is to be able to negotiate in the entrance to first agree who will be the girl. Only after this is 100% agreed then I will enter the shop and pay.

However I know this strategy may not work and I can be rejected at the entrance if I insist.

I just do not want to lose my money if I pay first and then enter and be forced to be with a girl I do not want. It has happened to me before.

Here is my colaboration for you.

From my own personal experience, sometimes "gaijin friendly" places are relative. They could accept asians gaijin such as chinese or Korean but refuse to accept African American or people from India. Other times a soapland will reject you because at the time you show at the entrance, there were no woman that accept working with foreigners.

Other places are flexible if your Japanese language skills are good enough to have a normal conversation with the girl. So they are "gaijin friendly" as long as you can communicate with them.

If you're afraid that after you pay for the service with an specific girl and they later try to change her with other girl, you can kindly refuse and request them to get your money back. Show no interest (even if you are hornier than a rabbit), and do like you are about to leave and say "I will come back in other occasion". Many times the tencho will reconsider and invite you to come back.

A piece of advice.... You can get better luck on "slow days/time" for example on rainy days, on weekdays around 10 am.... They will be more willing to offer better girls and more options.

 

[SatoKM]

Like someone said before, there aren't really that many shops over 90.000 in Yoshiwara at all.

At top high end, Picasso may be foreigner friendly but i haven't seen any reviews, and the photos look photoshopped like everywhere else.

There is definitely a difference in girls at expensive shops and cheap shops though. A lot of plain looking girls initially join expensive shops but have to quit after a while because they don't pull customers, its quite a waste to go to work and have zero customers, cheap shops can get you more work.

So if you can get with a popular girl at an expensive shop, that would be a good sign, but the most popular ones are often booked already and not easily available for walk ins.

Also some girls at expensive shops pull their customers by offering no condom service, but they usually do not offer this to foreigners so a bit of a waste and unnecessary risk. Its hard to find out which girls do and don't because its often not clearly marked. This is a Yoshiwara only thing, places like Shinjuku and Kawasaki don't offer no condom but Kawasaki is not foreigner friendly and Shinjuku has only two high end shops.

I know a webpage that is quite accurate about soaplands and providers that offer NS (Natural Style/No Skin) service (ns.soaplanddata.com). You can get an idea on which provider offer bareback sex, as they have some marks on their names (eg. star) but sometimes it depends on the client they are servicing.

I have been in other soaplands outside Tokyo such as Yokohama, Fukuoka and Shikoku. I was about to get crazy or neurotic as more than 90% of the times I visited soaplands in those areas, I have to stop the "play time" and strongly request for CFS. One time I went to a soapland in Kagawa and ended up doing everything except for penetration as the management of the place told me that is not a "norm" to have condoms at the store as the customers are "Japanese Only", I mean WTF!!!!

 

[karokka]

tips is have a good relation wif the shops u like

Thank you - yes, that is my plan. So Im tring to choose the best shop to me now. So to avoid hopping among shops.

Other times a soapland will reject you because at the time you show at the entrance, there were no woman that accept working with foreigners.

Yes, this is true. Some years ago I did not understand that. I was only able to catch this after reading this forum. Very useful!

 

[Isambard]

Thanks! It is a BIG relief to hear this!!!

I got this trauma from the experience in Osaka - Club Amour - yes I know it is not soapland, it is health with mat play.

But in Club Amour this is what happens. They are friendly and even show 4 different photos to choose.. until you pay. Then when they got your money it is total disaster. Your options disappear and you are forced to be with the girl they decide.

Well, I've been there many times, and while it's certainly up-and-down as far as the quality of the lady is concerned, that's never happened to me.

 

[emiliapoesy]

Do Soapland places take female clients?!

 

[Hofmeyer]

Only one would consider it, and took in @User#8628 however she had someone the shop knew well doing the negotiating.

 

[Maxblack]

i actually was thinking of ranking my soapland girls
currently i bit busy, on a business trip for 1-2 months
maybe after my may trip i more free and more to write
thanks for your encouragment & your idea
don't like others sit here to write
get on to yoshiwara to update what is happening down there
& don't just handshake with wild imigination , do some real stuff man, haha

Just write a digital book or something: Ah Toh’s Guide to Fucking Japan

 

[emiliapoesy]

Only one would consider it, and took in @User#8628 however she had someone the shop knew well doing the negotiating.

Hmm, challenge accepted.

 

[User#8628]

Hmm, challenge accepted.

You really have to know Japanese people, preferably people in the industry to make this happen ime.

 

[hermit purple]

Is yoshiwara no longer accepting NS/NN from foreigners? I was at Aile Dore today, the staff said that's the rule now in yoshiwara.

Anyone got the same experience? I wonder if the staff meant just this group of shops.

Having to paid gaijin tax and short on service really makes it not worth it anymore

 

[Hofmeyer]

That's impossible to confirm without going to every single shop that offered it, and then the range of the case may be you could possibly have come from the "wrong" country all the way to no girls were offering it today.

People were getting it as early as a few weeks ago, within the month I think.

And it's not really a bad thing either, everybody who plays safe makes everyone else safer.

 

[sohelpmegoat]

Is yoshiwara no longer accepting NS/NN from foreigners? I was at Aile Dore today, the staff said that's the rule now in yoshiwara.

Anyone got the same experience? I wonder if the staff meant just this group of shops.

Having to paid gaijin tax and short on service really makes it not worth it anymore

It's the peak tourist season in Japan, they might be just keeping things safe with the huge number of tourists visiting during spring season.

Besides, better safe than sorry.