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Hi, quick question regarding this place. I used it the other day for takeout and the girl offered me エッチ for 40k extra.

I declined and then she offered me for free, saying she hasn't slept with someone from my country before (I'm white Caucasian so not really that rare...).

I declined again since I was worried that maybe I was going to be hit up for a claim by the club. When you receive a girl your have to sign a 誓約書 which states, among other things, you won't sleep with the girl.

Was I bring paranoid?
 
Ok thanks. Care to elaborate?

Paranoia is thinking and feeling like you are being threatened in some way, even if there is no evidence, or very little evidence, that you are.

You wouldn't have been the first one to have FS there but you might have just become the first one to be offered it for free but still decline.
 
Hi, quick question regarding this place. I used it the other day for takeout and the girl offered me エッチ for 40k extra.

I declined and then she offered me for free, saying she hasn't slept with someone from my country before (I'm white Caucasian so not really that rare...).

I declined again since I was worried that maybe I was going to be hit up for a claim by the club. When you receive a girl your have to sign a 誓約書 which states, among other things, you won't sleep with the girl.

Was I bring paranoid?
Paranoid maybe not so much, but naive a lot. Go back to meet the girl and satisfy her this time.
 
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40k extra is a weird amount to ask for. Not many people are going to pay that. Its usually 5-10k. the fact that she went from so high to zero is a bit odd.
 
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40k extra is a weird amount to ask for. Not many people are going to pay that. Its usually 5-10k. the fact that she went from so high to zero is a bit odd.
If I recall, Tora no Ana has a stupid high markup for foreigners. Could be a case of "Well.. he's already paying this much, bet he could provide more."
 
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I've seen a few threads about how there's this huge markup but at a cursory glance, once you take into account all the various fees if your Japanese, the mark-up doesn't seem that big. 10-15k.

Anyway thanks for the comments. Food for thought.
 
If I recall, Tora no Ana has a stupid high markup for foreigners. Could be a case of "Well.. he's already paying this much, bet he could provide more."

I think it was rather her who came up with the 40k extra not the shop.
 
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There is the separate gaijin tax of this shop. Frequenting these kind of places that penalize non-Japanese only perpetuates the nonsense imho. There are plenty of good, friendly places that welcome the business.
The 40k is another story. That’s the gal’s own (insanely priced) upcharge for her own personal extras. Nothing to do with the shop for sure.
 
Ok thanks. Care to elaborate?

Prostitution has roots in Japan since it became a regional/world power, and it was only after WWII that the Americans essentially forced them to make it 'illegal'. But the fuzoku laws have holes large enough to fly a Gundam through. Deriheru operate legally on the fact that you aren't paying for FS (real sex) while EVERYTHING ELSE is negotiable. Look at the 'system' page of a deriheru page, and witness the cognitive dissonance of having laws protecting morality, while you can pay a girl a little extra to swallow your cum. Other places operate legally under the fiction that they aren't providing sexual services (soaplands, red light districts like Tobita in Osaka, virtually any sugar baby organization operating in Japan). One specific item to note in Japanese law.

You cannot break fuzoku law by having sex with a girl if you already know the girl. So, in the case of a soapland, you go and have a bath (where the girl uses her body to bathe you). The girl suddenly desires you and offers to have real sex. Perfectly legal. In case of a sugar baby, you take a girl out to dinner, have a few laughs, and after dinner decide to give her some financial support and she's so grateful to be with a cultured man of means that she is willing to spend some time alone with a guy at a love hotel.

Now, back to your situation. You signed a doc to cover the shop's ass, not to prevent you from having more fun. You might get some grief/get blacklisted/or depending on your actions, get police attention if you ask/demand/try to force full service on an escort, and you'd deserve it for most of those. As long as you are extremely polite and gentlemenly, making an extra request from a provider isn't going to cause issues. Take no for an answer. There's cases where you ask a girl and she says 'no', but you get FS on a repeat visit. Be a gentleman and rewards can happen.

If a girl offers something to you in that scenario (where you've already spent some time together) it's actually questionable as to whether that's illegal at that point (I'm not a lawyer, much less a lawyer accredited to work in Japan). In that situation, as long as there's consent, very few people actually care happens behind closed doors. The agency has its ass covered because you signed the document. The girl really has NO REASON to do that other than interest in you. It's not like she can entrap you into having sex unless she claims rape or something, and there's very little upside for her there either.

She probably was either interested in you or had the beginnings of a foreigner fetish, and was curious, as some women are. So yes, you were being paranoid. Japan is different from other countries where sex is illegal (*cough* the US). You have to know what the public face of the situation is, and be able to go with the flow when it comes to the private reality of the situation. Happy hobbying.
 
40k extra is a weird amount to ask for. Not many people are going to pay that. Its usually 5-10k. the fact that she went from so high to zero is a bit odd.

That place has many famous AV stars... So the base price is already pretty high and for a big AV star it wouldnt be so uncommon to charge that amount for some extra services.
 
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@shadowboxer
There is the separate gaijin tax of this shop. Frequenting these kind of places that penalize non-Japanese only perpetuates the nonsense imho. There are plenty of good, friendly places that welcome the business.
The 40k is another story. That’s the gal’s own (insanely priced) upcharge for her own personal extras. Nothing to do with the shop for sure.

I used Tora no Ana services 3 times, but I am not interested anymore!
Way too expensive! I know several places with lower prices that offer high quality women.
 
That place has many famous AV stars... So the base price is already pretty high and for a big AV star it wouldnt be so uncommon to charge that amount for some extra services.
Makes sense, thanks.